A lot of great points; except for the shorter shows; keep brining it all night boys.
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1. 4. Close the damn show with Alive, Porch or Betterman/SIFL. Free World and Baba are awesome, but getting to be predictable. Even the crapola country shows my wife drags me to bust out new closers every tour. If the boys can't come up with some new and exciting covers to close the show, what is so wrong with bringing down the house with the music we all came to hear? If the old stand byes are a must; Why not use Baba to close the first set, or have the first "fast one" of the night be RITFW???? Now that would be cool.6. Shorter shows. Yep, I said it... the shows are too long and looser than a well, a Bon Jovi groupie. Lolla, while not terribly long in actual songs played, drug on embarrassingly long. Leave the audience wanting more, not wanting a chair. A three hour marathon is awesome, but not so much when it is expected every night. I honestly remember my friends telling me last tour that they were "saving energy for the second encore". I am not looking for much cut off, but you want to know my favorite shows of the past few years??? The PJ opening for Petty shows where we got 18-20 songs... I was left feigning for more and all that was really cut out when you got down to it, was a BoomBoom Crazy Mary solo, an Ed ukulele fuckup fest, A political rant that has flip flopped more over the years than (insert politician) and the now expected brutal death of eight tambourines. Really, I toyed with putting this in my list and I am not 100% sure I am right, but I think cutting 20 minutes would actually be a good thing. And I'd hate to break it to you guys but by the next tour PJ may need a "bigger name" opener to help sell out the arenas. That addition will move the opener slot from a 45 minute set to a full hour, thus cutting the PJ set to closer to 120 minutes.
admit i didn't read the entire post, but more of a skim and these are the two points that stood out to me most.
as much as i love release as an opener and YL as the perfect closer, would be nice to vary things a bit. IMO, it's ed. he just can't move past that kinda stuf.
additionally...you said shorter shows. that was as far as i needed to go. didn't read any further. we are blessed with longer shows from our favorite band.
i know...kinda simplistic views to your long post, but...what can i say...i'm 50/50 with ya in my response.
in some circles, your words might be considered blasphemy.
disagree -- play all night long. pretty sure 99% of the people on this board are going to say the same. 12-14 shows a year is what we get now? play the whole damn catalog. besides, i need the piss break on the RVM interlude between verses 2-3!
agree -- hey, ed...let's live a little. why couldn't release be a nice opener for the encore? how about a new fun cover like RITFW that would freshen things up a bit? i've always heard jeff talk about covering an old school AC/DC song...how much fun would that be?
agree -- give mike more juice. no way should that man be hidden.
no comment -- the whales? uhh... all i know is that i would be fat and happy, too if i was a front row guy all the time. ;-)
you have no idea.....most of what you said puzzled me. We all know you want a reaction, but whingeing about the "whales in the first 5 rows" is ridiculous! Being a 10c member entitles you to have those good seats, plus if they are such big fans to be going to every show then let them be!!
If I could be a whale up the front I would, 'cept im skinny and cant afford to go to every show :rolleyes:
Uh, also, play shorter shows? Are you mad??
"....and was very surprised to see that he didnt actually have a recipe for anus-ankle soup." - Big Ed
Turn Mike up! Not the mic, but Mike! I can't hear the guy live unless I plug my ears to drown out the drone. Turn him up....! I mean waaaay up. And in a side bar it would be great if McCready could revert to his '98-'02 form. (And yes I understand there might be factors outside of his control affecting his play, if that is the case I understand).
This is the only thing I agree with. The rest is not cool.
i agree with pretty much everything here, except... shorter shows.
man pearl jam is a fantastic live band, and they've built up that reputation because of a great live prowess. if i'm going to see this band, i want to see as many songs as they can fit into 2 1/2 hours (or however long).
short shows are for opening acts, and old men.
and also... Lollapalooza was.... "embarassing" ?!?!?!???
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in fact, I just want to go to a show this tour!!! :(
go to europe if ya wanna be in the front row, crowds sound way better on boots. west coast, i'll see ya there
And he still gives his love, he just gives it away, The love he receives is the love that is saved, And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky, A human being that was given to fly
Fantastic post other than the shorter shows part. With everything else you hit the nail right on the head so hard there is blood coming out. What's also great about it is all the kiss ass apologists haven't started calling you an asshole (yet). Get ready for it, i'm sure once the sun comes up they will stop by to call you a jerk.
Wow -- a few good points in there (Mike LOUDER; c'mon Jeff you've played it a million times, stop cuttin into the chorus a few bars early...)
You overlooked the craptacular "quality" shirts of recent years... I have Hanes Beefy Tees from the 80s (and apparently SO DO THEY) that are still going strong and STILL FIT. After airfare, hotel, tickets, meals and what not, yeah -- I actually am willing to take out the second mortgage and drop $80 - $140 for a pro jersey or something substantial with a PJ on it ... that fits me.
Comparing '06 to '03 to '00.. '06 was the TIGHTEST by far, so I don't know what the fuck you are talking about or what single crappy boot you're basing this info on.
Comparing '06 to '03 to '00.. '06 was the TIGHTEST by far, so I don't know what the fuck you are talking about or what single crappy boot you're basing this info on.
the 00 boots are alot better, the band was finally a band and it showed, the europe leg of 00 is better then 06 by a mile.
And he still gives his love, he just gives it away, The love he receives is the love that is saved, And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky, A human being that was given to fly
1. A more varied setlist OR a tighter show. We would all love the guys to rifle through the entire catalog over this tour, but that definitely hasn't happened the past two or so tours and I really don't expect it this go around. Yes, many "rare" songs have surfaced recently but the majority of the setlist has been redundant (in PJ terms obv.). So, if 95% of the show will be taken from the same pool of 30-40 songs, I don't think it is too much to expect for the band to be a tad tighter. I fully understand that they prefer to be "in the moment" and "play like Neil" but I think things were getting waaaay to sloppy (sloppy is a nice word for bad) for my taste in '06. A little (not alot) more rehearsal for my sixty bucks is all I am asking for. I love the fact that seemingly anything can happen "musically" at a PJ show, but that isn't what I am getting at. It isn't that Stone is going off on a musical tangent when he fucks up the chords to Hail, Hail... or when Ed forgets the words to (insert song here) that he is improvising.... it is just a bad performance. Again, not much, but just a little more polished would be nice. OR break every damn song out and never repeat a one all tour... and fuckup all you want
2. Turn Mike up! Not the mic, but Mike! I can't hear the guy live unless I plug my ears to drown out the drone. Turn him up....! I mean waaaay up. And in a side bar it would be great if McCready could revert to his '98-'02 form. (And yes I understand there might be factors outside of his control affecting his play, if that is the case I understand).
3. Less whales in the front rows. It has been discussed to death, but I just want to remind everyone how much it sucks to see the front 5 rows made up of the same people night in and night out. If you get to talking to them you quickly find out that the PJ tour kids are not kids anymore and actually have turned into PJ snobs(I know that sounds stupid, but believe me they are not the kind of fans that 99% of this board can relate to) and most of them that I meet pretty much losers in life. Less important reasons to move them to the back: They are stationary, they stink, they are ugly, they have been there before and act like they will be there again, they are older than the majority of the rest of the crowd.... and boy are they fat! Nothing wrong with fat people, but man when there is that many of one kind of people in one small space you take notice... and there are a ton of 40+, fat, white, females in the front rows at a PJ show.
4. Close the damn show with Alive, Porch or Betterman/SIFL. Free World and Baba are awesome, but getting to be predictable. Even the crapola country shows my wife drags me to bust out new closers every tour. If the boys can't come up with some new and exciting covers to close the show, what is so wrong with bringing down the house with the music we all came to hear? If the old stand byes are a must; Why not use Baba to close the first set, or have the first "fast one" of the night be RITFW???? Now that would be cool.
5. An invisible itch powder on the tour posters. I used to love those damn pieces of paper as much as the next guy... in fact my collection is prolly worth at least 5k (scary). BUT man, the current poster chasing crew deserves to die and itchy, scratchy, painful death.
6. Shorter shows. Yep, I said it... the shows are too long and looser than a well, a Bon Jovi groupie. Lolla, while not terribly long in actual songs played, drug on embarrassingly long. Leave the audience wanting more, not wanting a chair. A three hour marathon is awesome, but not so much when it is expected every night. I honestly remember my friends telling me last tour that they were "saving energy for the second encore". I am not looking for much cut off, but you want to know my favorite shows of the past few years??? The PJ opening for Petty shows where we got 18-20 songs... I was left feigning for more and all that was really cut out when you got down to it, was a BoomBoom Crazy Mary solo, an Ed ukulele fuckup fest, A political rant that has flip flopped more over the years than (insert politician) and the now expected brutal death of eight tambourines. Really, I toyed with putting this in my list and I am not 100% sure I am right, but I think cutting 20 minutes would actually be a good thing. And I'd hate to break it to you guys but by the next tour PJ may need a "bigger name" opener to help sell out the arenas. That addition will move the opener slot from a 45 minute set to a full hour, thus cutting the PJ set to closer to 120 minutes.
Disclosure: While this post is mostly for entertainment purposes only I do really believe everything I wrote; and I know I am right so there is no point in debating it
BUT
I would love to hear what you guys and gals would like to see/hear on the '08 tour.
I can't wait... see you at the FL shows, Bonna and MSG! (And prolly more, the 10c is due to announce the next leg now that everyone has their plane tickets for the first bunch!)
Holly fuck!!!!! A good old fassion opus. Wow we don't get enough of these around here now days. Very well written and yes entertaining while i don't agree with all of it i'll give you credit for some much needed respectful ribbing. Cheers
Well, I live in Texas, I state pj obviously has overlooked the last few US tours. I do agree with the majority of your points some via bootleg.
In all honesty, I agree about the openers and closers being repetitive. YB and RIFW get boring IF you are able to attend enough shows. I'm stuck listening to boots so I can just skip it, when tired of it.
I'm glad pj play typically longer sets than the majority of bands because a longer set is always a plus, covers or not.
Also yes, pj have an extensive catalog that they dive into (Thank PJ!!) and that's a great thing. Alas, some of the set lists is going to be repetitive. regardless of the material, Pearl jam seems to always have repeats, which I believe you mentioned. From the bands perspective though, I doubt they remember one setlist exactly from the next off hand.
self rant: God I hope that Dallas PJ date holds true, but after the ACL bust, It's not looking good.
Dude, you had me till the whale comment. I think your way off. Maybe from row 47 your vision gets blurry. But, having been up front at many Pearl Jam shows I've found a few things they do have in common with each other. They are truly cool people who love Pearl Jam with a passion, they feel lucky to have great seats & share them with family & friends, will travel almost anywhere to see their favorite band and are almost as intense as the band is onstage (singing, shouting, jumping, etc.). Sounds like everyone else at a Pearl Jam show, huh? The only difference is they've been doing it longer.
11/05/91 Troy, NY (1st show & met the band!)
11/08/91 CBGB's FanClub Show
11/16/91 Roseland
04/08/92 Axis, Boston
05/09/92 Mesa, AZ
08/04/92 Lollapalooza '92 - Saratoga, NY
08/07/92 Lollapalooza '92 - Great Woods
09/08/92 Lollapalooza '92 - Phoenix, AZ
08/18/93 Toronto, Canada w/Neil Young, Soundgarden & Blues Traveler
11/06/93 Mesa, AZ - Benefit Show
11/07/93 Mesa, AZ - Benefit Show
04/07/94 Rochester, NY
04/10/94 Boston Garden
09/28/96 Randalls Island
09/13/98 Meadows Music Theatre
08/27/00 Saratoga, NY
04/29/03 Albany, NY
05/02/03 Buffalo, NY
06/29/03 Montreal, Canada
07/02/03 Mansfield, MA
07/03/03 Mansfield, MA
07/06/03 Camden/Philly
07/11/03 Mansfield, MA 3 1/2 hour show!
07/14/03 Holmdel, NJ
09/28/04 Boston
09/29/04 Boston
10/01/04 Vote For Change - Reading, PA
10/02/04 Vote For Change - Toledo, OH w/Neil Young
09/15/05 Montreal
09/16/05 Ottawa
09/28/05 Pittsburgh w/Stones
10/03/05 Philly
05/12/06 Albany, NY
05/13/06 Hartford
05/20/06 Cleveland
05/27/06 Camden/Philly
05/28/06 Camden/Philly
06/03/06 East Rutherford, NJ
08/05/07 Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza '08!
Excellent Post. I agree with most of your points. I don't want shorter shows in songs, but maybe shorter in time. Do 18-20 for the first set, then come out for one 8-10 song encore and let us go home. We don't need that 2nd 2-3 song encore.
Also, I thought I was one of the only ones who really want to see a tighter show. I agree with some sloppiness seeping out in recent years. I just want to hear ONE rendition of Immortality with mostly correct lyrics and no missing words, is that too much to ask for. Go through the 2000 Boots and find me one version of Immortality that you can be proud of. It doesn't exist.
P.S. There is something wrong with Fat people...They are unhealthy.
i trust ed's & the boys choices as to how they will perform on this tour allways have i have no complaints, and i don't agree with any of your points if you wan't that much control go and start your own band genious ,holy fuck they haven't done not one show yet and people are allready stating what they wan't at the shows your probably one of the cluless who shouts out request after 6 songs into the show ..........
3. Less whales in the front rows. It has been discussed to death, but I just want to remind everyone how much it sucks to see the front 5 rows made up of the same people night in and night out. If you get to talking to them you quickly find out that the PJ tour kids are not kids anymore and actually have turned into PJ snobs(I know that sounds stupid, but believe me they are not the kind of fans that 99% of this board can relate to) and most of them that I meet pretty much losers in life. Less important reasons to move them to the back: They are stationary, they stink, they are ugly, they have been there before and act like they will be there again, they are older than the majority of the rest of the crowd.... and boy are they fat! Nothing wrong with fat people, but man when there is that many of one kind of people in one small space you take notice... and there are a ton of 40+, fat, white, females in the front rows at a PJ show.
people have been getting banned a ton lately by the mods on this board. it will amaze me if this post does not get locked. that comment above is digusting. it amazes me how horrible some people can be....you sound like a real piece of work. do us all a favor and stay home and get the bootlegs.
What a happy coincidence that I am not going to the four 10c shows which you are attending. I have gained some weight this year and I would not want to to offend you.
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I thought the world...Turns out the world thought me
as much as i love release as an opener and YL as the perfect closer, would be nice to vary things a bit. IMO, it's ed. he just can't move past that kinda stuf.
additionally...you said shorter shows. that was as far as i needed to go. didn't read any further. we are blessed with longer shows from our favorite band.
i know...kinda simplistic views to your long post, but...what can i say...i'm 50/50 with ya in my response.
disagree -- play all night long. pretty sure 99% of the people on this board are going to say the same. 12-14 shows a year is what we get now? play the whole damn catalog. besides, i need the piss break on the RVM interlude between verses 2-3!
agree -- hey, ed...let's live a little. why couldn't release be a nice opener for the encore? how about a new fun cover like RITFW that would freshen things up a bit? i've always heard jeff talk about covering an old school AC/DC song...how much fun would that be?
agree -- give mike more juice. no way should that man be hidden.
no comment -- the whales? uhh... all i know is that i would be fat and happy, too if i was a front row guy all the time. ;-)
you realize you can go home earlier
eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
8/7/08, 6/9/09
Kiddin', but yeah, make 'em tighter, just 4 hours long
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you have no idea.....most of what you said puzzled me. We all know you want a reaction, but whingeing about the "whales in the first 5 rows" is ridiculous! Being a 10c member entitles you to have those good seats, plus if they are such big fans to be going to every show then let them be!!
If I could be a whale up the front I would, 'cept im skinny and cant afford to go to every show :rolleyes:
Uh, also, play shorter shows?
in fact, I just want to go to a show this tour!!! :(
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
This is the only thing I agree with. The rest is not cool.
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man pearl jam is a fantastic live band, and they've built up that reputation because of a great live prowess. if i'm going to see this band, i want to see as many songs as they can fit into 2 1/2 hours (or however long).
short shows are for opening acts, and old men.
and also... Lollapalooza was.... "embarassing" ?!?!?!???
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Damn, that's good to know. I've never been to a PJ show before but if I'm ever lucky enough to attend - at least I know I'll fit in.
Did someone forget to take their anti-asshat pill tonight?
no bed=no brian
coke sucks
haha, wow...good stuff.
anyway, i would like to hear YL toward the end of the set, before the first encore.
Esther's here and she's sick?
hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
You overlooked the craptacular "quality" shirts of recent years... I have Hanes Beefy Tees from the 80s (and apparently SO DO THEY) that are still going strong and STILL FIT. After airfare, hotel, tickets, meals and what not, yeah -- I actually am willing to take out the second mortgage and drop $80 - $140 for a pro jersey or something substantial with a PJ on it ... that fits me.
Esp if I can't come home and buy a boot!
no bed=no brian
coke sucks
In all honesty, I agree about the openers and closers being repetitive. YB and RIFW get boring IF you are able to attend enough shows. I'm stuck listening to boots so I can just skip it, when tired of it.
I'm glad pj play typically longer sets than the majority of bands because a longer set is always a plus, covers or not.
Also yes, pj have an extensive catalog that they dive into (Thank PJ!!) and that's a great thing. Alas, some of the set lists is going to be repetitive. regardless of the material, Pearl jam seems to always have repeats, which I believe you mentioned. From the bands perspective though, I doubt they remember one setlist exactly from the next off hand.
self rant: God I hope that Dallas PJ date holds true, but after the ACL bust, It's not looking good.
EV Solo: 7/11/11 11/12/12 11/13/12
11/05/91 Troy, NY (1st show & met the band!)
11/08/91 CBGB's FanClub Show
11/16/91 Roseland
04/08/92 Axis, Boston
05/09/92 Mesa, AZ
08/04/92 Lollapalooza '92 - Saratoga, NY
08/07/92 Lollapalooza '92 - Great Woods
09/08/92 Lollapalooza '92 - Phoenix, AZ
08/18/93 Toronto, Canada w/Neil Young, Soundgarden & Blues Traveler
11/06/93 Mesa, AZ - Benefit Show
11/07/93 Mesa, AZ - Benefit Show
04/07/94 Rochester, NY
04/10/94 Boston Garden
09/28/96 Randalls Island
09/13/98 Meadows Music Theatre
08/27/00 Saratoga, NY
04/29/03 Albany, NY
05/02/03 Buffalo, NY
06/29/03 Montreal, Canada
07/02/03 Mansfield, MA
07/03/03 Mansfield, MA
07/06/03 Camden/Philly
07/11/03 Mansfield, MA 3 1/2 hour show!
07/14/03 Holmdel, NJ
09/28/04 Boston
09/29/04 Boston
10/01/04 Vote For Change - Reading, PA
10/02/04 Vote For Change - Toledo, OH w/Neil Young
09/15/05 Montreal
09/16/05 Ottawa
09/28/05 Pittsburgh w/Stones
10/03/05 Philly
05/12/06 Albany, NY
05/13/06 Hartford
05/20/06 Cleveland
05/27/06 Camden/Philly
05/28/06 Camden/Philly
06/03/06 East Rutherford, NJ
08/05/07 Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza '08!
Side Projects/Solo Shows: Brad 10/27/02, Eddie Vedder: 8/2/08, 6/8 & 6/9/09, 6/16/11 & 6/18/11.
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exactly
we have longest shows, longest setlists and more shows in Europe
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..and counting
Also, I thought I was one of the only ones who really want to see a tighter show. I agree with some sloppiness seeping out in recent years. I just want to hear ONE rendition of Immortality with mostly correct lyrics and no missing words, is that too much to ask for. Go through the 2000 Boots and find me one version of Immortality that you can be proud of. It doesn't exist.
P.S. There is something wrong with Fat people...They are unhealthy.
Everyone have a great day.
people have been getting banned a ton lately by the mods on this board. it will amaze me if this post does not get locked. that comment above is digusting. it amazes me how horrible some people can be....you sound like a real piece of work. do us all a favor and stay home and get the bootlegs.
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