Well, yes. If a fan respects the band's social and political activism, then that fan should scrutinize the band.
Alternately stated: If I'm gonna cheer for Bushleauger or Green Disease, I better make sure the band holds up (most of) their end of the bargain.
Part of the reason I respect Vedder is because he has offered himself up as an at-times righteous public figure. It's a risky thing to do. But, if I am going to count him as a public figure whom I respect, I'd like to make sure his public actions continue to match his activist words.
If they don't, I have no problem asking: Dude, what's up with all this?
Well, yes. If a fan respects the band's social and political activism, then that fan should scrutinize the band.
it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. i think people have a tendancy to freak out about these things (target, private show) before they know what the bands' intentions are. and for that matter, i am one of those people that truly feels like the band owes no explanation. but hey, that's just me. i truly respect them just as much as you do, but i also know that just like in professional sports, there is a business side to things.
I know a lot of people feel the need to protect and excuse the band and Ed when there's negative attention going on. It's natural. But questioning a public person's unusual actions, when held in high regard, is not a crime. There's nothing wrong with questioning the public actions of a public persona. And it is our right.
I get both sides of this issue and can see where people are coming from. I have a question:
Is pearl jam playing a corporate show everytime ticketmaster is their broker? Or is it a corporate show when they play at the United Center? I'm just wondering where people draw the line.
I'm presuming that those who really have a problem with ed playing this private show won't be seeing any shows where either ticketmaster is used or where the venue is owned by a corporation. Wouldn't going to a show in either of these situations be supporting the corporations that help to host the concert?
Face it everyone, they are posers who "marketed" their "anti-corporate" views when it was fashionable and they no longer give a shit because America no longer give's a shit about them. Now they are trying to squeeze every nickel out of what's left. They have been irrelevant for the past decade and I imagine they will continue to be for the next decade.
"I had a false belief, I thought I came here to stay" -e.v.
I get both sides of this issue and can see where people are coming from. I have a question:
Is pearl jam playing a corporate show everytime ticketmaster is their broker? Or is it a corporate show when they play at the United Center? I'm just wondering where people draw the line.
I'm presuming that those who really have a problem with ed playing this private show won't be seeing any shows where either ticketmaster is used or where the venue is owned by a corporation. Wouldn't going to a show in either of these situations be supporting the corporations that help to host the concert?
Its not that he is involved with a corporation it is that he made an exclusive concert for a bunch of rich mf's. Tickets that go thru Live Nation are marketed to there loyal fans via LIve Nation. Its not like they are putting on a concert for the VP of LIve Nation and his kids go on stage. I could care less, the band can do what they want and dont need to justify it to me or anyone else but it makes them look bad to the fans. And the fans are suppose to be what they are all about, not private concerts for rich guys who dont even know that band.
P.S. nothing against the thread starter
Well, yes. If a fan respects the band's social and political activism, then that fan should scrutinize the band.
it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. i think people have a tendancy to freak out about these things (target, private show) before they know what the bands' intentions are. and for that matter, i am one of those people that truly feels like the band owes no explanation. but hey, that's just me. i truly respect them just as much as you do, but i also know that just like in professional sports, there is a business side to things.
I know a lot of people feel the need to protect and excuse the band and Ed when there's negative attention going on. It's natural. But questioning a public person's unusual actions, when held in high regard, is not a crime. There's nothing wrong with questioning the public actions of a public persona. And it is our right.
I agree with your point...but for this Oracle show...there really wasn't anything public about it from what I read.
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And no one sings me lullabyes
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....
INTEGRITY you can't put a price tag on it it is PRICELESS.........
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–noun
1. adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.
2. the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished: to preserve the integrity of the empire.
3. a sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition: the integrity of a ship's hull.
INTEGRITY you can't put a price tag on it it is PRICELESS.........
in⋅teg⋅ri⋅ty [in-teg-ri-tee]
Use INTEGRITY in a Sentence
–noun
1. adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.
2. the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished: to preserve the integrity of the empire.
3. a sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition: the integrity of a ship's hull.
"We're taking on water captain."
Agree. The Oracle and Target stories shave off some of the band's hard-won integrity. In my mind, Pearl Jam still stands tall, but some troubling signs have appeared. I know the band is navigating new waters and needs to make money to cover costs, but they can only sell off so much integrity before I jump ship.
Here is my "freak out" point: If Pearl Jam takes money and allows their image or music to be used to help sell an unrelated product or service, I'm out. A good example is the Wilco VW car ads. If Pearl Jam's new album is used to sell VWs in September, the band will have lost me (and I suspect thousands of others) as fans.
I don't care if the band is selling far fewer CDs due to pirated music. I don't care if they need VW ad money to survive as a big-time touring band. For me, the that's line in the sand.
And, for me, any trend showing movement toward something like a VW ad campaign is far and away the most important Pearl Jam story.
I'm surprised noone has asked, "was there a poster for this show".....
The way I see it.The whole band ,not just E.V. took a shitkicking in the mid 90's with the TM fight.
They lost a lot of money in their prime years because of this with not touring (or touring very little).
Now the boys are getting older and think "better make some quid before we are to old".Hence the deals with AOL in '06 and now target and this "corporate " event for Vedder.
Well who cares,they took the banner and ran with it for a long time.Let someone else carry it for awhile.
Eddie must thank God that the shows have become one big singalong.It saves his voice for a few more shows(maybe).
Look what happened this past tour.His voice was shot by the end.
Take the money and run.
"They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
is that exactly what I thought I read."
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agreed 100%
I know a lot of people feel the need to protect and excuse the band and Ed when there's negative attention going on. It's natural. But questioning a public person's unusual actions, when held in high regard, is not a crime. There's nothing wrong with questioning the public actions of a public persona. And it is our right.
Is pearl jam playing a corporate show everytime ticketmaster is their broker? Or is it a corporate show when they play at the United Center? I'm just wondering where people draw the line.
I'm presuming that those who really have a problem with ed playing this private show won't be seeing any shows where either ticketmaster is used or where the venue is owned by a corporation. Wouldn't going to a show in either of these situations be supporting the corporations that help to host the concert?
Its not that he is involved with a corporation it is that he made an exclusive concert for a bunch of rich mf's. Tickets that go thru Live Nation are marketed to there loyal fans via LIve Nation. Its not like they are putting on a concert for the VP of LIve Nation and his kids go on stage. I could care less, the band can do what they want and dont need to justify it to me or anyone else but it makes them look bad to the fans. And the fans are suppose to be what they are all about, not private concerts for rich guys who dont even know that band.
P.S. nothing against the thread starter
2009 - 8/21,10/30, 10/31
2010 - 5/15, 5/17, 5/20, 5/21
2011 - 9/3/11, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12, 9/14
2012 - 9/2
2013 - 7/19, 10/15, 10/16, 10/19, 10/25
2014 - 6/16. 6/17, 6/20, 10/1
EV solo 8.1.08, 6.8.09, 6.15.11, 6.16.11
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And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....
in⋅teg⋅ri⋅ty [in-teg-ri-tee]
Use INTEGRITY in a Sentence
–noun
1. adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.
2. the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished: to preserve the integrity of the empire.
3. a sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition: the integrity of a ship's hull.
"We're taking on water captain."
This is hilarious!
Agree. The Oracle and Target stories shave off some of the band's hard-won integrity. In my mind, Pearl Jam still stands tall, but some troubling signs have appeared. I know the band is navigating new waters and needs to make money to cover costs, but they can only sell off so much integrity before I jump ship.
Here is my "freak out" point: If Pearl Jam takes money and allows their image or music to be used to help sell an unrelated product or service, I'm out. A good example is the Wilco VW car ads. If Pearl Jam's new album is used to sell VWs in September, the band will have lost me (and I suspect thousands of others) as fans.
I don't care if the band is selling far fewer CDs due to pirated music. I don't care if they need VW ad money to survive as a big-time touring band. For me, the that's line in the sand.
And, for me, any trend showing movement toward something like a VW ad campaign is far and away the most important Pearl Jam story.
Ask them if they think Oracle is evil
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
The way I see it.The whole band ,not just E.V. took a shitkicking in the mid 90's with the TM fight.
They lost a lot of money in their prime years because of this with not touring (or touring very little).
Now the boys are getting older and think "better make some quid before we are to old".Hence the deals with AOL in '06 and now target and this "corporate " event for Vedder.
Well who cares,they took the banner and ran with it for a long time.Let someone else carry it for awhile.
Eddie must thank God that the shows have become one big singalong.It saves his voice for a few more shows(maybe).
Look what happened this past tour.His voice was shot by the end.
Take the money and run.
is that exactly what I thought I read."