So did EV play on 6/27 or no?

Gary Carter

Jeanwah wrote:

justam wrote:

He gave a concert and got paid. Why is this considered bad by some people?!
Isn't that what he usually does? (Give a concert, and then get paid for it.)
Is it just the fact that it was a private concert?

EV has been bashing Corporate America since the beginning of Pearl Jam, Justam. All of a sudden the man who stood up for what he believed in has done a 180. That's what this is about. Practice what you preach, as EV always used to do. Not anymore though.

so I'm guessing you didn't have a problem with the band signing that deal with sony 18+ years ago. I bash big corporations all the time and yet I work for 2. Does it make me a sell out or ed a sell out. Its bout making money and providing for your family and that's all ed is doing the same thing you and everyone else on this shithole of a planet

arq

At least now i know i can hire him for a 2 hours set for my birthday! wooohooo!

CreedDisease

non-entity wrote:

I just saw Dr. Dre in a Dr. Pepper commercial, so quit yer cryin!

Hate to break it to you, but that is what the 23 really means....

CreedDisease

arq wrote:

At least now i know i can hire him for a 2 hours set for my birthday! wooohooo!

It's official, money CAN buy happiness

EasyE

justam wrote:

He gave a concert and got paid. Why is this considered bad by some people?!
Isn't that what he usually does? (Give a concert, and then get paid for it.)
Is it just the fact that it was a private concert?

I agree, complaining about ticket prices to the Vedder solo shows is silly (though, I have been tempted and wrong on this point). If 10 to 15 shows almost sell out at a certain price, then that price is fair.

That some can afford the ticket more easily does not make them evil.

That Pearl Jam inked a deal with Sony or Target to help sell records is not the point.

The point is: If Ed did more private corporate shows like this, he'd dry up and blow away.

If Vedder actually did a rountable on brand awareness or a morning coffee on getting a client to commit to a big buy, he'd talk about delivering an authentic product. In this case, Pearl Jam has built part of its brand on keeping its creative and musical essence separate from (and sometimes in opposition to) corporate-style advertising and marketing. To accept gigs like the one from Oracle over and over again would undermine Vedder and Pearl Jam. The band would lose its biggest client and its unique brand. It would dry up and blow away.

Eddie Vedder practically invented the Pearl Jam brand. That's part of the reason this story resonates with me. It seems like he took a risk of undermining the essence of this leg of the solo tour with this appearance. That risk seems mildly important.

I know Pearl Jam will sell albums at Target and will appear in a Target ad. But the album and the ad footage are controlled by the band, and their albums are their basic product. It is, at least, reasonable for them to try and sell albums with some brand protection.

And, it's reasonable to take a big payout for a corporate sales meeting. But, as disticnt from the Target deal, this appearance should be noted by fans as a clear step in a possibly dangerous direction. Again, it may be no big deal, but it's at least a minorly important stop along the way.

It's not the same as a record deal or record-selling deal. It's not the same as a wedding or party appearance. The photo of Vedder onstage with the children of a high-paying client is as close to Neil Young's "This Note's For You" as I can recall.

Again, I can temper my reaction over time but dismissing this may be a mistake. Vedder may deserve some criticism here.

HAPHES

Who really cares if Ed played for a "corporation," a paying audience or a church congregation. I'm pretty sure Ed doesn't hate corporations just because they are corporations. He hates the ones whose money gets to run the country and treat the environment in ways that just makes them more money. I happen to need a job so that I can take care of my family. And guess what? I work for a corporation!!! No, we don't pave over beaches or spill toxic waste in the river, not all corporations do things like that. And aside from taxes, the government does not have its hand in our pocket. The company I work for has no say in who runs our country but it does provide a service to people and a job to about 100 others like myself. Think of Ed's stop in Lanai on 6/27 as a days work. Yeah, his job may be a lot more fun than mine but it is his job and he is entitled to get paid. None of that would make him a sellout. And we all know Ed is not afraid to dig into his pocket for a cause he believes in so it wouldn't be a surprise if he made a donation to one of Oracle's causes. Relax everybody, let the guy do his job!

High Fidelity 2000

This is all very interesting. Thanks woodenhammer for the info. I don't know what to think about it. I guess it's not as bad if the corporation has done good things and is for green energy, and you just sort of assume that Ed is going to donate most of that money to Surfrider or something of the like. But man... still sort of a let down.

For all we know, Ed does this kind of thing 3 or 4 times a year, and this is the first we've heard about because a friend of an attendee is an active board member! Who knows!

Man, I was AT the Four Seasons in Lanai just over a month ago, ate at Ferraro's fancy restaurant in there. How crazy if you were walking through the lobby and saw Vedder hanging out.

At least, thankfully, within 5 pages of this thread, no moron has said "Give him a break he's got a family to support and kids to feed." Unless I Just skimmed over it. Yes, $300,000 can feed a hell of a lot of kids. Ha ha.

Lizard

Anyone wonder if one of the people involved is a close friend of ed's and he was asked to play?? not sure is this was brought up or not............haven't read all of these fine pages.

WoodenHammer

"does it really matter if it was part of the tour. Ever think oracle did this at last minute. Your points are very weird and out there."

Let me just say this... Oracle was going to cancel our club trip this year due to Obama's comments about corporate parties regarding Wells Fargo's vegas rewards trip after we bailed them out. If you think that comment didnt resonate, ask the governor of Nevada who lost billions due to corporate functions being cancelled. However, if you know anything about Oracle, we just bought BEA about 17 months ago. When we bought BEA, we also bought their contract for the Hawaii rewards trips and could not back out of them. So we would have cancelled this. Since we couldn't, and we tried up until mid May, we went forward with it. Hard to imagine Ed agreed and Oracle agreed to shell out probably half a million bucks to him on short notice. This has been scheduled for a long time, probably the catalyst for Ed's solo trips to Hawaii altogether.

But, I am still on the side of the fence that is ok with this. Again, if I were Ed (in my wildest dreams), I would not have thought twice about taking this gig. The only reason not to is to protest profit? Which seems like protesting gravity.

benjs

Gmoney wrote:

I work in the music industry and know that in these days in times you have to do whatever you can do to make a dollar. You don't simply make an album, tour and then make tons of money. The industry is a totally different animal now. With that said, the only problem I have with this is that for the past 15 years he's been bashing corporate America. Practice what you preach my friend.

This is where I disagree. Politicians and musicians seem to be most victimized by the "practice what you preach" saying.. why is it that one's opinion must remain constant throughout their entire life? We also don't know how Eddie felt about doing this show, or whether he even had a say (his manager could have forced this upon him).

Gary Carter

WoodenHammer wrote:

"does it really matter if it was part of the tour. Ever think oracle did this at last minute. Your points are very weird and out there."
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Let me just say this... Oracle was going to cancel our club trip this year due to Obama's comments about corporate parties regarding Wells Fargo's vegas rewards trip after we bailed them out. If you think that comment didnt resonate, ask the governor of Nevada who lost billions due to corporate functions being cancelled. However, if you know anything about Oracle, we just bought BEA about 17 months ago. When we bought BEA, we also bought their contract for the Hawaii rewards trips and could not back out of them. So we would have cancelled this. Since we couldn't, and we tried up until mid May, we went forward with it. Hard to imagine Ed agreed and Oracle agreed to shell out probably half a million bucks to him on short notice. This has been scheduled for a long time, probably the catalyst for Ed's solo trips to Hawaii altogether.
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But, I am still on the side of the fence that is ok with this. Again, if I were Ed (in my wildest dreams), I would not have thought twice about taking this gig. The only reason not to is to protest profit? Which seems like protesting gravity.

already knew all that cept for the trip part of your post.

Gmoney

benjs wrote:

Gmoney wrote:

I work in the music industry and know that in these days in times you have to do whatever you can do to make a dollar. You don't simply make an album, tour and then make tons of money. The industry is a totally different animal now. With that said, the only problem I have with this is that for the past 15 years he's been bashing corporate America. Practice what you preach my friend.

This is where I disagree. Politicians and musicians seem to be most victimized by the "practice what you preach" saying.. why is it that one's opinion must remain constant throughout their entire life? We also don't know how Eddie felt about doing this show, or whether he even had a say (his manager could have forced this upon him).

One's opinion doesn't have to remain the same. But when you're so adamant about a specific topic for so long and then you do something like this it's a little sketch. I'm not mad at him, I just think it's a bit ironic. Imagine if Al Gore was rolling through DC in a Hummer... People would be like dude, global warming, wtf? So right now I'm like dude, corporate america, wtf? But like I said, I'm not mad, ed can do no wrong in my eyes. CREAM GET THE MONEY, DOLLA DOLLA BILLS YALL

Colorado Fan

Hey Ed...This Note's For You!

"Ain't singing for Pepsi,
Ain't singing for Coke,
I don't sing for nobody,
Makes me look like a joke..."

SOLAT319

I think what is confusing to most of us is when you listen to him talk, it's all justice, good will, charity, fairness, freedom, not caring about earthly possessions, driftin' away...and other various shit like that. But then he goes out and plays for Oracle dudes. Well it is kind of confusing if you ask me.

Gmoney wrote:

With that said, the only problem I have with this is that for the past 15 years he's been bashing corporate America. Practice what you preach my friend.

Thanks for summing it up nicely. And also, long time no see my friend
Seen Franti on stage lately?

High Fidelity 2000 wrote:

At least, thankfully, within 5 pages of this thread, no moron has said "Give him a break he's got a family to support and kids to feed." Unless I Just skimmed over it. Yes, $300,000 can feed a hell of a lot of kids. Ha ha.

Yeah, just look at the other thread the one that was locked.

SOLAT319

Gmoney wrote:

Imagine if Al Gore was rolling through DC in a Hummer... People would be like dude, global warming, wtf?

Well actually someone found some article a while ago about how his place in TN was all an energy hog whereas the little ranch house owned by little "bushy bush" was all green. That's gotta tell you something :P

acutejam

High Fidelity 2000 wrote:

At least, thankfully, within 5 pages of this thread, no moron has said "Give him a break he's got a family to support and kids to feed." Unless I Just skimmed over it. Yes, $300,000 can feed a hell of a lot of kids. Ha ha.

::waves::

Though I didn't say feed, but I don't begrudge him giving his family and kids everything he possibly can, every advantage piles of cash conveys. Cause I think he'll still support causes that are important to him....

Like really awesome databases!

Haijay

Wow! Some of you need to get a fucken life! You don't even know anything about this party and are all worked about it, calling him a sellout and other ridiculous nonsense. It will come out he did a favour for a friend and donated all the money, and then you'll :shock: all be " That's my Eddie, that's just the kind of stuff he does!" SHUT UP!!!

Hawk123

acutejam wrote:

Cause I think he'll still support causes that are important to him....

Like really awesome databases!

Maybe he did the show in exchange for new oracle/sun databases before they announce the tour

HeavyHands

Hawk123 wrote:

Maybe he did the show in exchange for new oracle/sun databases before they announce the tour

After the website problems I've seen in the past year I would wholly support this plan.

ComeToTX

Haijay wrote:

Wow! Some of you need to get a fucken life! You don't even know anything about this party and are all worked about it, calling him a sellout and other ridiculous nonsense. It will come out he did a favour for a friend and donated all the money, and then you'll :shock: all be " That's my Eddie, that's just the kind of stuff he does!" SHUT UP!!!

+1

unless we know why he did it or where the money is going we should give him the benefit of the doubt after 18 years of goodwill!