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Why do you all assume that these people have no idea who EV is?
30-40 age group?
Have you ever been to a pj show?
Im 37 and i think im about the average age at most of the shows ive been to.
I appreciate and agree with much of what you say here- esp regarding the intimacy and the connection...sometimes (for me) I don't want to name it, I just want to feel it and when it speaks directly to my soul, I carry it with me. I do not respond to discount your feelings in any way as I think you worded yours well. The thing about this gig that I find cool, just as the deal with Target, is the potential to expose the exact people you mention to the world I (and you?) have experienced. If it were to resonate and spread like wildfire (or disease) then how killer would that be? If people, esp those in top sales who have a knack of influencing others, are exposed or have new access when they may not have in their day to day worlds isn't that growing the "good"? Perhaps it doesn't quell the sting or hurt, but it's just a thought...
It took me a while to figure out why I am so upset by this, but I think I finally have it.
Ed is a grown ass man, and like any grown ass man, he has a right to his own decisions.
That being said, this hurts me.
One of the great pleasures of being a PJ/Ed fan is the feeling of intimacy we feel with the music and the band. Everything about the band's live shows -- the revolving setlists, the connection between the fans and the band, the connection between the fans themselves -- gives a PJ/Ed show an aura of spirituality and intimacy.
Having gone to two Ed solo shows last year, I can say that beyond the music itself (which was absolutely beautiful), the feeling of intimacy as Ed was sitting on stage with his guitar and his voice with a crowd of awed, reverent audience members (most of whom knew every word to every song he played) was indescribable. There was a connection there that felt like it could only be shared between the man onstage and the people who had spent years faithfully following him and the band. The same can be said for any PJ show I have been to.
So the thought of Ed playing for a bunch of 30- and 40- something corporate workers, most (all?) of whom probably know nothing about his music beyond the radio hits, hurts. It hurts to think of Ed sitting in a room full of Oracle corporate workers rolling through Society, and Hard Sun, and Guaranteed, and I am Mine, and all the other songs he plays solo that always felt like they only belonged in a small, intimate setting with a group of PJ fans who really understood what they were all about.
(I haven't seen a setlist, but please, please tell me he didn't play Arc for the corporate gig...).
I don't mean to be a baby here, and as I said before, Ed certainly has a right to play for whoever he wants. I don't know the man personally so he doesn't need my approval or justification for anything he does (obviously).
I can see why this news would be insignificant to a fan for whom Pearl Jam means music, period. But for fans who feel like the band means something beyond just music, it certainly resonates. I just hope this was a one time thing (done to donate money to charity, or as a personal favor, perhaps). Only that could lessen the sting of the whole thing.
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I've had enough, said enough, felt enough. I'm fine, still in it.
During the 90's there were a lot of people who questioned the authenticity of the band and their music... one of the ways I think they "proved" themselves to the mainstream was negotiating that fine line between opting in/opting out with a lot of skill (although, there will always be people who think they could have done more, and there will always be people who really don't care about any of the behind the scenes politics at all).
But I do find some of the recent business decisions to be confusing, to say the least. To be fair, Oracle seems like a decent company with a good social conscience... and Target is definitely more philanthropic than the other Big Box stores... but i guess i keep thinking about the tour in 2000, which was really meaningful for me, because the message seemed to be that if you were given the choice between Option Evil A and Option Evil B... then Choose Option C (none of the above).
I don't know... a lot has changed since 2000, and even more so since the 90's. I generally trust Ed's judgement (in terms of his ability to make his own decisions). I would never substitute it for my own, but I'm gonna try to suspend my criticism for a little while, and see what happens.
I generally trust Ed's judgement (in terms of his ability to make his own decisions). I would never substitute it for my own, but I'm gonna try to suspend my criticism for a little while, and see what happens.
At what point did some of you turn from "Ed fans" to "Ed owners"?
I work for a large corporation and I'm older than 20 - does that mean I can't be a Pearl Jam fan because I coulnd't possibly connect with their music. What's with the discrimination regarding employment? Sounds like jealousy to me.
I appreciate and agree with much of what you say here- esp regarding the intimacy and the connection...sometimes (for me) I don't want to name it, I just want to feel it and when it speaks directly to my soul, I carry it with me. I do not respond to discount your feelings in any way as I think you worded yours well. The thing about this gig that I find cool, just as the deal with Target, is the potential to expose the exact people you mention to the world I (and you?) have experienced. If it were to resonate and spread like wildfire (or disease) then how killer would that be? If people, esp those in top sales who have a knack of influencing others, are exposed or have new access when they may not have in their day to day worlds isn't that growing the "good"? Perhaps it doesn't quell the sting or hurt, but it's just a thought...
It took me a while to figure out why I am so upset by this, but I think I finally have it.
Ed is a grown ass man, and like any grown ass man, he has a right to his own decisions.
That being said, this hurts me.
One of the great pleasures of being a PJ/Ed fan is the feeling of intimacy we feel with the music and the band. Everything about the band's live shows -- the revolving setlists, the connection between the fans and the band, the connection between the fans themselves -- gives a PJ/Ed show an aura of spirituality and intimacy.
Having gone to two Ed solo shows last year, I can say that beyond the music itself (which was absolutely beautiful), the feeling of intimacy as Ed was sitting on stage with his guitar and his voice with a crowd of awed, reverent audience members (most of whom knew every word to every song he played) was indescribable. There was a connection there that felt like it could only be shared between the man onstage and the people who had spent years faithfully following him and the band. The same can be said for any PJ show I have been to.
So the thought of Ed playing for a bunch of 30- and 40- something corporate workers, most (all?) of whom probably know nothing about his music beyond the radio hits, hurts. It hurts to think of Ed sitting in a room full of Oracle corporate workers rolling through Society, and Hard Sun, and Guaranteed, and I am Mine, and all the other songs he plays solo that always felt like they only belonged in a small, intimate setting with a group of PJ fans who really understood what they were all about.
(I haven't seen a setlist, but please, please tell me he didn't play Arc for the corporate gig...).
I don't mean to be a baby here, and as I said before, Ed certainly has a right to play for whoever he wants. I don't know the man personally so he doesn't need my approval or justification for anything he does (obviously).
I can see why this news would be insignificant to a fan for whom Pearl Jam means music, period. But for fans who feel like the band means something beyond just music, it certainly resonates. I just hope this was a one time thing (done to donate money to charity, or as a personal favor, perhaps). Only that could lessen the sting of the whole thing.
anyone who says "grown ass man" and then writes 4 paragraphs on why ed has sold out on behalf of the band is _________ imo
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didnt pearl jam have a record distribution contract with sony for over a decade? maybe they should have been a poor indie band forever.
i remember when ed played a private show for real networks president's birthday. so? he was a friend of ed's and they had worked together on causes.
ed has the choice to do these sort of gigs, and so far it looks like he has not been choosing the worst of gigs, but instead making sure that the folks he is doing it for are on his side.
i dont have a problem with this, i just wish someone would have recorded the setlist
what it all comes down to is that none of us really know why Ed did this corporate thing. Who cares.
I'm not one of those "ed can do no wrong" people, but i am honestly astonished that people are taking this so hard. I'm glad he did it. Maybe he wanted to see the looks on peoples faces who dont know shit about him. Maybe he wanted to convert some corporate people to fans. Maybe he has stock in Oracle. Maybe he was brainwashed. Maybe a friend there asked him for a favor. Maybe his wifes sisters best friends cousins mechanic who fixed a car for the father of a dying boy asked him to play it. Get over it. He plays his music because he loves it. For whoever hears it -- who gives a damn. I dont know the man, but i feel pretty damn confident that he wasnt thinking about money when he did this. He was probably thinking, "here I am in Hawaii and some people want to hear some live music, so i'm gonna do it". it's simple.. it's Music.. get over it...
what it all comes down to is that none of us really know why Ed did this corporate thing. Who cares.
I'm not one of those "ed can do no wrong" people, but i am honestly astonished that people are taking this so hard. I'm glad he did it. Maybe he wanted to see the looks on peoples faces who dont know shit about him. Maybe he wanted to convert some corporate people to fans. Maybe he has stock in Oracle. Maybe he was brainwashed. Maybe a friend there asked him for a favor. Maybe his wifes sisters best friends cousins mechanic who fixed a car for the father of a dying boy asked him to play it. Get over it. He plays his music because he loves it. For whoever hears it -- who gives a damn. I dont know the man, but i feel pretty damn confident that he wasnt thinking about money when he did this. He was probably thinking, "here I am in Hawaii and some people want to hear some live music, so i'm gonna do it". it's simple.. it's Music.. get over it...
great post. ALL of it, i just especially enjoyed the part i bolded...
and yes, i too work for a big fat international corp and am well past the age of 20 too. does this mean i am also evil and out of touch with pearl jam? :? i think not. i also believe my employers to be a pretty philanthropic bunch, as well as yes, wanting to make $$$. i too want to make $$$ - so i can afford to live my life, have food on my table, health insurance, own my home, travel, see pearl jam shows...and yes, support causes i believe in.
there's always sooo much more than what simply resides on the surface of things. and there most definitely is not just one right way to live, and a myriad of ways to make a good, positive difference in this world...
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Why do you all assume that these people have no idea who EV is?
30-40 age group?
Have you ever been to a pj show?
Im 37 and i think im about the average age at most of the shows ive been to.
And God knows there are no PJ fans that have corporate jobs.
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Why do you all assume that these people have no idea who EV is?
30-40 age group?
Have you ever been to a pj show?
Im 37 and i think im about the average age at most of the shows ive been to.
And God knows there are no PJ fans that have corporate jobs.
the funny thing is, "corporate" in and of itself, is not *evil*. :shock: :shock:
*gasp!*
i know, how dare i say that....;)
seriously tho, my parents had their own business, all of about 7 employees.....and yes, they were a corporation. :P pearl jam is a corporation. people need to get over all the 'labels' and most definitely over the assumptions far too often linked with many of these labels. i think even ed/pj have recognized that as well. life is not all back and white, but many shades of grey.......
No one here or anywhere else has a right to question Eddie's motive for playing this gig, nor do we have a right to say what he should do with his money.
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I have no problem with Eddie playing a concert for a company. My bet is that at least a portion of the funds went to charity, but even if that didn't happen, so be it. He is an artist and a musician, and he is paid to be both. No one should pass judgment on him for making a living.
I agree. I couldn't care less if it was a corporate thing--this is his livelihood--sounds like a great gig to me!
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wow... i wonder if target knows he's pimping himself out elsewhere? :roll:
target...
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...and because these guys are sales reps they know nothing about any of that? Sorry, I can't believe that is true.
great point. not all fans of this band live on the Pit. as a matter of fact...nevermind, I'll keep my opinion of this board to myself.
what if he played a show for the Estate Planning Lawyers of Lake County? I'd be there, but everyone who wasnt would assume it was just a bunch of d-bags who wanted to hear Better Man.
and why do you think the band is back into playing festivals? easy $. this is America. let them make money so they can continue to make music. they were naive back in the day. they have seen the light. just because you make good money doesnt make you evil.
well said,, :arrow:
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I wish Eddie would play at my company's next corporate function...too bad my company is run by cheap bastards!!
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Why do you all assume that these people have no idea who EV is?
30-40 age group?
Have you ever been to a pj show?
Im 37 and i think im about the average age at most of the shows ive been to.
And God knows there are no PJ fans that have corporate jobs.
the funny thing is, "corporate" in and of itself, is not *evil*. :shock: :shock:
*gasp!*
i know, how dare i say that....;)
seriously tho, my parents had their own business, all of about 7 employees.....and yes, they were a corporation. :P pearl jam is a corporation. people need to get over all the 'labels' and most definitely over the assumptions far too often linked with many of these labels. i think even ed/pj have recognized that as well. life is not all back and white, but many shades of grey.......
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Wow! Some of you need to get a fucken life! You don't even know anything about this party and are all worked about it, calling him a sellout and other ridiculous nonsense. It will come out he did a favour for a friend and donated all the money, and then you'll :shock: all be " That's my Eddie, that's just the kind of stuff he does!" SHUT UP!!!
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unless we know why he did it or where the money is going we should give him the benefit of the doubt after 18 years of goodwill!
great poost,,well said,,end of this discussion
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No one here or anywhere else has a right to question Eddie's motive for playing this gig, nor do we have a right to say what he should do with his money.
droberts, you're wrong on the motives point.
Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam are public figures for many reasons, including the fact that their music and public statements have been, in part, attacks on people and companies that they deem to be bad-acting and greedy. Because they are public figures and themselves outspoken activists, they too can be subjected to scrutiny. By scrutiny, I mean threads like this one and, I hope, one or two questions from media types in the run up to the new album release.
Fans have a right and, a maybe duty, to question Pearl Jam's motives and public actions. Vedder played a show at a corporate sales meeting in an exclusive hotel, presumably for big money, and the band is planning a partnership with a big-box retailer that may include some tv advertising footage. Given their years of outspoken politcial and social activism and efforts to keep the music separate from ads of any kind, its fair to discuss or ask: Dude, what's up with the Oracle show and Target deal?
It's fair to say that we don't yet know enough on either topic to draw a informed conclusions. Although it seems a bit heavy handed to say that we should no longer discuss the Target and Oracle stories.
He gave a concert and got paid. Why is this considered bad by some people?!
Isn't that what he usually does? (Give a concert, and then get paid for it.)
Is it just the fact that it was a private concert?
EV has been bashing Corporate America since the beginning of Pearl Jam, Justam. All of a sudden the man who stood up for what he believed in has done a 180. That's what this is about. Practice what you preach, as EV always used to do. Not anymore though.
And most people use to pay for music .....times change!
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Fans have a right and, a maybe duty, to question Pearl Jam's motives and public actions.
really? i mean...really?
Well, yes. If a fan respects the band's social and political activism, then that fan should scrutinize the band.
Alternately stated: If I'm gonna cheer for Bushleauger or Green Disease, I better make sure the band holds up (most of) their end of the bargain.
Part of the reason I respect Vedder is because he has offered himself up as an at-times righteous public figure. It's a risky thing to do. But, if I am going to count him as a public figure whom I respect, I'd like to make sure his public actions continue to match his activist words.
If they don't, I have no problem asking: Dude, what's up with all this?
Well, yes. If a fan respects the band's social and political activism, then that fan should scrutinize the band.
it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. i think people have a tendancy to freak out about these things (target, private show) before they know what the bands' intentions are. and for that matter, i am one of those people that truly feels like the band owes no explanation. but hey, that's just me. i truly respect them just as much as you do, but i also know that just like in professional sports, there is a business side to things.
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Why do you all assume that these people have no idea who EV is?
30-40 age group?
Have you ever been to a pj show?
Im 37 and i think im about the average age at most of the shows ive been to.
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Agree with you. I'm really disappointed.
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But I do find some of the recent business decisions to be confusing, to say the least. To be fair, Oracle seems like a decent company with a good social conscience... and Target is definitely more philanthropic than the other Big Box stores... but i guess i keep thinking about the tour in 2000, which was really meaningful for me, because the message seemed to be that if you were given the choice between Option Evil A and Option Evil B... then Choose Option C (none of the above).
I don't know... a lot has changed since 2000, and even more so since the 90's. I generally trust Ed's judgement (in terms of his ability to make his own decisions). I would never substitute it for my own, but I'm gonna try to suspend my criticism for a little while, and see what happens.
agrees totally.
I work for a large corporation and I'm older than 20 - does that mean I can't be a Pearl Jam fan because I coulnd't possibly connect with their music. What's with the discrimination regarding employment? Sounds like jealousy to me.
Worry about lining your own pockets....
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i remember when ed played a private show for real networks president's birthday. so? he was a friend of ed's and they had worked together on causes.
ed has the choice to do these sort of gigs, and so far it looks like he has not been choosing the worst of gigs, but instead making sure that the folks he is doing it for are on his side.
i dont have a problem with this, i just wish someone would have recorded the setlist
I'm not one of those "ed can do no wrong" people, but i am honestly astonished that people are taking this so hard. I'm glad he did it. Maybe he wanted to see the looks on peoples faces who dont know shit about him. Maybe he wanted to convert some corporate people to fans. Maybe he has stock in Oracle. Maybe he was brainwashed. Maybe a friend there asked him for a favor. Maybe his wifes sisters best friends cousins mechanic who fixed a car for the father of a dying boy asked him to play it. Get over it. He plays his music because he loves it. For whoever hears it -- who gives a damn. I dont know the man, but i feel pretty damn confident that he wasnt thinking about money when he did this. He was probably thinking, "here I am in Hawaii and some people want to hear some live music, so i'm gonna do it". it's simple.. it's Music.. get over it...
great post. ALL of it, i just especially enjoyed the part i bolded...
and yes, i too work for a big fat international corp and am well past the age of 20 too. does this mean i am also evil and out of touch with pearl jam? :? i think not. i also believe my employers to be a pretty philanthropic bunch, as well as yes, wanting to make $$$. i too want to make $$$ - so i can afford to live my life, have food on my table, health insurance, own my home, travel, see pearl jam shows...and yes, support causes i believe in.
there's always sooo much more than what simply resides on the surface of things. and there most definitely is not just one right way to live, and a myriad of ways to make a good, positive difference in this world...
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
And God knows there are no PJ fans that have corporate jobs.
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the funny thing is, "corporate" in and of itself, is not *evil*. :shock:
*gasp!*
i know, how dare i say that....;)
seriously tho, my parents had their own business, all of about 7 employees.....and yes, they were a corporation. :P pearl jam is a corporation. people need to get over all the 'labels' and most definitely over the assumptions far too often linked with many of these labels. i think even ed/pj have recognized that as well. life is not all back and white, but many shades of grey.......
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I do recall him making promoters take down DODGE banners and then he jokingly singing
'can't find a better van...'
BUT, what he does ON HIS OWN TERMS is HIS business...
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droberts, you're wrong on the motives point.
Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam are public figures for many reasons, including the fact that their music and public statements have been, in part, attacks on people and companies that they deem to be bad-acting and greedy. Because they are public figures and themselves outspoken activists, they too can be subjected to scrutiny. By scrutiny, I mean threads like this one and, I hope, one or two questions from media types in the run up to the new album release.
Fans have a right and, a maybe duty, to question Pearl Jam's motives and public actions. Vedder played a show at a corporate sales meeting in an exclusive hotel, presumably for big money, and the band is planning a partnership with a big-box retailer that may include some tv advertising footage. Given their years of outspoken politcial and social activism and efforts to keep the music separate from ads of any kind, its fair to discuss or ask: Dude, what's up with the Oracle show and Target deal?
It's fair to say that we don't yet know enough on either topic to draw a informed conclusions. Although it seems a bit heavy handed to say that we should no longer discuss the Target and Oracle stories.
really? i mean...really?
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Well, yes. If a fan respects the band's social and political activism, then that fan should scrutinize the band.
Alternately stated: If I'm gonna cheer for Bushleauger or Green Disease, I better make sure the band holds up (most of) their end of the bargain.
Part of the reason I respect Vedder is because he has offered himself up as an at-times righteous public figure. It's a risky thing to do. But, if I am going to count him as a public figure whom I respect, I'd like to make sure his public actions continue to match his activist words.
If they don't, I have no problem asking: Dude, what's up with all this?
it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. i think people have a tendancy to freak out about these things (target, private show) before they know what the bands' intentions are. and for that matter, i am one of those people that truly feels like the band owes no explanation. but hey, that's just me. i truly respect them just as much as you do, but i also know that just like in professional sports, there is a business side to things.
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