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I think that it should only be as legislated and forced on others as it is for humans. If laws protect the human-animals, why not all animals?
Why should others be allowed to hunt the animals of their choosing, but I can't hunt the animal of my choosing (the human animal)?
Indeed.....works for me!
I'm also taking the liberty of reposting the following.... I think it's important for people to know where their food comes from.
Please read below and click the link to watch several vignettes for some eye-opening facts about those eggs you enjoy from one of the largest egg factory farms in the US......
Thanks-
Unfortunately, these incidents are not isolated. Animal cruelty is widespread in factory farms and slaughterhouses across the country.
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
I just hope one day more people consider being less cruel to animals. They really do suffer rather needlessly.
...and should not be legislated or forced onto others....some exceptions do apply. :twisted:
aren't our "laws" simply a legal means of enforcing our "collective morality"....? isn't that basically what a law is? what we as a society deem right or wrong? so while i DO agree, wholeheartedly, that personally held morals should not dictate to others' behaviors......we do in fact legislate morality to the extent of creating laws that our culture and time has deemed right/wrong.
and weenie.......factory farming IS the issue that totally feeds my sense of hypocrisy, and yes...rightly so. i know it exists, i agree the treatment is wrong....and yes, i still eat meat/eggs/dairy produced by this system. if i could actully afford to eat free-range/organic all the time...i absolutely would, and would feel no guilt about it, etc. so yea, i won't look at that link, b/c i sadly know too well what it more than likely depicts. and i do know i am making a choice. i could possibly sacrafice more of my own income to afford all free-range, but yea, i am unwilling to do so....for my own selfish reasons. and i know that i am then choosing my own wants/desires above supporting 100% cruelty-free living. it most definitely is my biggest hypocrisy.
and weenie.......factory farming IS the issue that totally feeds my sense of hypocrisy, and yes...rightly so. i know it exists, i agree the treatment is wrong....and yes, i still eat meat/eggs/dairy produced by this system. if i could actully afford to eat free-range/organic all the time...i absolutely would, and would feel no guilt about it, etc. so yea, i won't look at that link, b/c i sadly know too well what it more than likely depicts. and i do know i am making a choice. i could possibly sacrafice more of my own income to afford all free-range, but yea, i am unwilling to do so....for my own selfish reasons. and i know that i am then choosing my own wants/desires above supporting 100% cruelty-free living. it most definitely is my biggest hypocrisy.
It's a point in your favor that you have compassion. That counts in my book. I don't expect anyone to feel the way I do, or to want to sacrifice, but I would like to raise their awareness and compassion just a teeny bit if I possibly can.
The conditions in the egg farm in the link, are far worse than even I imagined. Watching all of the vignettes, I was totally without words - it's just so difficult for me to think of humans being so incredibly numb to such suffering. All for the sake of a few bucks. How much would it cost to give the chickens some light - whether artifical or natural? How much would it cost to have someone walk thru and help the chickens who've caught themselves on wire instead of letting them slowly suffer slit throats and open wounds? How much would it cost to give them even the slightest of nutritional needs or water? It's BEYOND my worst imaginings.
NOT to mention the health hazards! If for no other reason than health concerns, people should look and see where the food they ingest is coming from! :shock:
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
weenie..i hear ya, i really, really do!
back in my much younger days, i was a veggie for almost 3 years (tho never totally vegan), stopped wearing leather, etc. i was quite active in animal rights, drove my family crazy :P. as i said, i have read and researched and yea....sadly know just how bad it is. perhaps that makes me even wrose b/c i cannot feign ignorance. i admit it is totally selfish and weak-willed of me....but i completely missed meat. no excuses, but i also married a meat-eater and i don't cook, so yea....all the more. it absolutely was my choice to return to eating meat (and subsequently wearing/using leather) so not laying blame anywhere outside myself. however, i have to say, remove factory farming from the equation and i more than likely would never have chosen to become veggie in the first place. it really is *it* in regards to my issues with the food industry - well that and rampant pesticide use on produce, but that is not cruel (unless you have concern for bugs)...just harmful to ourselves). so that is my biggest hypocrisy. perhaps someday i will be able to balance my life and eating all free-range/organic.
however, keep on fighting the good fight!
and again, no excuses.....but while one hand it IS amazing that some may be so desensitized to suffering, i think too, those who actually do participate firsthand in factory farming, well they would HAVE to be, eventually...no? i cannot imagine being involved in the process, and i would think unless one cut themselves off from 'caring', only looked at em all as products, etc....there would be no way to continue. again, not saying it is right by any stretch, just saying how 'adaptable' people may be when they need to be, and how desensitiation is not at all surprising in such circumstances. and hey, there are some people who it doesn't even bother in the least, so who knows......
so keep on keeping on...raising awareness and compassion.
weenie..i hear ya, i really, really do!
back in my much younger days, i was a veggie for almost 3 years (tho never totally vegan), stopped wearing leather, etc. i was quite active in animal rights, drove my family crazy :P. as i said, i have read and researched and yea....sadly know just how bad it is. perhaps that makes me even wrose b/c i cannot feign ignorance. i admit it is totally selfish and weak-willed of me....but i completely missed meat. no excuses, but i also married a meat-eater and i don't cook, so yea....all the more. it absolutely was my choice to return to eating meat (and subsequently wearing/using leather) so not laying blame anywhere outside myself. however, i have to say, remove factory farming from the equation and i more than likely would never have chosen to become veggie in the first place. it really is *it* in regards to my issues with the food industry - well that and rampant pesticide use on produce, but that is not cruel (unless you have concern for bugs)...just harmful to ourselves). so that is my biggest hypocrisy. perhaps someday i will be able to balance my life and eating all free-range/organic.
however, keep on fighting the good fight!
and again, no excuses.....but while one hand it IS amazing that some may be so desensitized to suffering, i think too, those who actually do participate firsthand in factory farming, well they would HAVE to be, eventually...no? i cannot imagine being involved in the process, and i would think unless one cut themselves off from 'caring', only looked at em all as products, etc....there would be no way to continue. again, not saying it is right by any stretch, just saying how 'adaptable' people may be when they need to be, and how desensitiation is not at all surprising in such circumstances. and hey, there are some people who it doesn't even bother in the least, so who knows......
so keep on keeping on...raising awareness and compassion.
You're absolutely right. The need to survive can do strange things to our ethics and our behavior. I get that. But I don't condone the greed. What's a little light and fresh air for a living, breathing creature? Okay, I'll shut up.
I've been veggie for 15 years, never vegan. I do eat yogurt, cottage cheese, cheese, butter. So I'm somewhat hypocritcal myself. I eat those things not because I necessarily like them, but because I need the protein. I can't stand tofu :x and I wish I could find more alternatives. I'm limited by cost too. Ours is not an easy world to live in, whether human or animal.
Thanks for your support. Have a great day decides2
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
You're absolutely right. The need to survive can do strange things to our ethics and our behavior. I get that. But I don't condone the greed. What's a little light and fresh air for a living, breathing creature? Okay, I'll shut up.
I've been veggie for 15 years, never vegan. I do eat yogurt, cottage cheese, cheese, butter. So I'm somewhat hypocritcal myself. I eat those things not because I necessarily like them, but because I need the protein. I can't stand tofu :x and I wish I could find more alternatives. I'm limited by cost too. Ours is not an easy world to live in, whether human or animal.
Thanks for your support. Have a great day decides2
i agree....and it's tragic. or floors so that their claws don't grow around the cages.....or space so they actually can stand up fully. :(
and hell, this thread has got me thinking about it ALL over again, so good job. my husband and i already had a very good discussion about it. as i said, he never went veggie with me, but he did support my choices at the time. however, just a couple years ago he was down in gerogia for work and said how he saw a chicken truck passed him by and how horrified he was about the conditions. he is a crazy animal lover, but sure the usual, the cute and cuddly kind.....or sure, the wild, out there animals....not enough love for chickens and pigs and cows, except on our plates. i think it is 'easy' for lack of a better term, for many of us to simply block it from our minds, to ignore it....so that we may continue eating as we do.
btw - don't shut up! truly....
and hey, we all have to try and balance as best we can.....that's all you can aim to do!
btw - eat more beans! excellent protein source!
would this be the right moment to tell you all i use a leather covered keyboard?
didnt think so.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
would this be the right moment to tell you all i use a leather covered keyboard?
didnt think so.
i wear leather and have a leather sofa.
i eat meat, so why would i be against leather?
now fur...... :evil: ........seems entirely unnecessary to me. i figure i eat cow and wear cow, fair enough. but killing an animal just to wear it and do nothing else with it.....seems outright wasteful and cruel. so i may be a hypocrite overall in my behavior....but there is a method to my madness of rationalizations anyway...
even ed, our dear fave singer, a veggie....yet he wears leather, so who knows exactly why he made that choice....perhaps he just feels healthier and nothing to do with animal rights?
well i said leather... but i meant unborn pony fetuses
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
well i said leather... but i meant unborn pony fetuses
oh well then, upholster away!
dontcha know, i couldn't care less about the unborn....i am down with all babies, of all species...so kill away!
even baby polar bears?
you cruel sadistic wench you ... i may have to use my albino gorilla's eyelids handkerchief to wipe away my tears...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
well i said leather... but i meant unborn pony fetuses
oh well then, upholster away!
dontcha know, i couldn't care less about the unborn....i am down with all babies, of all species...so kill away!
even baby polar bears?
you cruel sadistic wench you ... i may have to use my albino gorilla's eyelids handkerchief to wipe away my tears...
good one....
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
would this be the right moment to tell you all i use a leather covered keyboard?
didnt think so.
Do you clean it with your feather duster made from California Condor feathers??? Doesn't that clash with your chair lined with baby panda fur??? Just wonderin'? :twisted:
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
would this be the right moment to tell you all i use a leather covered keyboard?
didnt think so.
Do you clean it with your feather duster made from California Condor feathers??? Doesn't that clash with your chair lined with baby panda fur??? Just wonderin'? :twisted:
so i may be a "cruel sadistic wench "...but you two are apparently evil incarnate. :twisted: :twisted:
What a sorry excuse for a human being. Utah just recently made animal cruelty a felony. I wish that law was nationwide.
7/2/06 - Denver, CO
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8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
What a sorry excuse for a human being. Utah just recently made animal cruelty a felony. I wish that law was nationwide.
I have no problem with people taking things into their hands, against this person, and match what he did to this poor creature. I only wish I could bring popcorn and watch it done to him.
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What a sorry excuse for a human being. Utah just recently made animal cruelty a felony. I wish that law was nationwide.
I have no problem with people taking things into their hands, against this person, and match what he did to this poor creature. I only wish I could bring popcorn and watch it done to him.
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naw... not with my gear.
Tyranny of one.
"In the struggle for survival, the fittest win out at the expense of their rivals because they succeed in adapting themselves best to their environment." - Charles Darwin
"If I shoot them, they stop doing the stuff which made me shoot them." -CJMST3K
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Indeed.....works for me!
I'm also taking the liberty of reposting the following.... I think it's important for people to know where their food comes from.
Please read below and click the link to watch several vignettes for some eye-opening facts about those eggs you enjoy from one of the largest egg factory farms in the US......
Thanks-
Unfortunately, these incidents are not isolated. Animal cruelty is widespread in factory farms and slaughterhouses across the country.
More egg farm investigations:
Weaver Brothers Egg Farm
Daylay Egg Farm
Wegmans Egg Farm
Esbenshade Farms
http://www.chooseveg.com/ohio-fresh-eggs.asp
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
aren't our "laws" simply a legal means of enforcing our "collective morality"....? isn't that basically what a law is? what we as a society deem right or wrong? so while i DO agree, wholeheartedly, that personally held morals should not dictate to others' behaviors......we do in fact legislate morality to the extent of creating laws that our culture and time has deemed right/wrong.
and weenie.......factory farming IS the issue that totally feeds my sense of hypocrisy, and yes...rightly so. i know it exists, i agree the treatment is wrong....and yes, i still eat meat/eggs/dairy produced by this system. if i could actully afford to eat free-range/organic all the time...i absolutely would, and would feel no guilt about it, etc. so yea, i won't look at that link, b/c i sadly know too well what it more than likely depicts. and i do know i am making a choice. i could possibly sacrafice more of my own income to afford all free-range, but yea, i am unwilling to do so....for my own selfish reasons. and i know that i am then choosing my own wants/desires above supporting 100% cruelty-free living. it most definitely is my biggest hypocrisy.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
It's a point in your favor that you have compassion. That counts in my book. I don't expect anyone to feel the way I do, or to want to sacrifice, but I would like to raise their awareness and compassion just a teeny bit if I possibly can.
The conditions in the egg farm in the link, are far worse than even I imagined. Watching all of the vignettes, I was totally without words - it's just so difficult for me to think of humans being so incredibly numb to such suffering. All for the sake of a few bucks. How much would it cost to give the chickens some light - whether artifical or natural? How much would it cost to have someone walk thru and help the chickens who've caught themselves on wire instead of letting them slowly suffer slit throats and open wounds? How much would it cost to give them even the slightest of nutritional needs or water? It's BEYOND my worst imaginings.
NOT to mention the health hazards! If for no other reason than health concerns, people should look and see where the food they ingest is coming from! :shock:
Please folks, watch this - for your kids' sakes if nothing else.
http://www.chooseveg.com/ohio-fresh-eggs.asp
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
back in my much younger days, i was a veggie for almost 3 years (tho never totally vegan), stopped wearing leather, etc. i was quite active in animal rights, drove my family crazy :P. as i said, i have read and researched and yea....sadly know just how bad it is. perhaps that makes me even wrose b/c i cannot feign ignorance. i admit it is totally selfish and weak-willed of me....but i completely missed meat. no excuses, but i also married a meat-eater and i don't cook, so yea....all the more. it absolutely was my choice to return to eating meat (and subsequently wearing/using leather) so not laying blame anywhere outside myself. however, i have to say, remove factory farming from the equation and i more than likely would never have chosen to become veggie in the first place. it really is *it* in regards to my issues with the food industry - well that and rampant pesticide use on produce, but that is not cruel (unless you have concern for bugs)...just harmful to ourselves). so that is my biggest hypocrisy. perhaps someday i will be able to balance my life and eating all free-range/organic.
however, keep on fighting the good fight!
and again, no excuses.....but while one hand it IS amazing that some may be so desensitized to suffering, i think too, those who actually do participate firsthand in factory farming, well they would HAVE to be, eventually...no? i cannot imagine being involved in the process, and i would think unless one cut themselves off from 'caring', only looked at em all as products, etc....there would be no way to continue. again, not saying it is right by any stretch, just saying how 'adaptable' people may be when they need to be, and how desensitiation is not at all surprising in such circumstances. and hey, there are some people who it doesn't even bother in the least, so who knows......
so keep on keeping on...raising awareness and compassion.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
You're absolutely right. The need to survive can do strange things to our ethics and our behavior. I get that. But I don't condone the greed. What's a little light and fresh air for a living, breathing creature? Okay, I'll shut up.
I've been veggie for 15 years, never vegan. I do eat yogurt, cottage cheese, cheese, butter. So I'm somewhat hypocritcal myself. I eat those things not because I necessarily like them, but because I need the protein. I can't stand tofu :x and I wish I could find more alternatives. I'm limited by cost too. Ours is not an easy world to live in, whether human or animal.
Thanks for your support. Have a great day decides2
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
i agree....and it's tragic. or floors so that their claws don't grow around the cages.....or space so they actually can stand up fully. :(
and hell, this thread has got me thinking about it ALL over again, so good job.
btw - don't shut up!
and hey, we all have to try and balance as best we can.....that's all you can aim to do!
btw - eat more beans! excellent protein source!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
didnt think so.
i wear leather and have a leather sofa.
i eat meat, so why would i be against leather?
now fur...... :evil: ........seems entirely unnecessary to me. i figure i eat cow and wear cow, fair enough. but killing an animal just to wear it and do nothing else with it.....seems outright wasteful and cruel. so i may be a hypocrite overall in my behavior....but there is a method to my madness of rationalizations anyway...
even ed, our dear fave singer, a veggie....yet he wears leather, so who knows exactly why he made that choice....perhaps he just feels healthier and nothing to do with animal rights?
sorry for ruining your joke...;)
tho weenie may give you a few lashings!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
oh well then, upholster away!
dontcha know, i couldn't care less about the unborn....i am down with all babies, of all species...so kill away!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
even baby polar bears?
you cruel sadistic wench you ... i may have to use my albino gorilla's eyelids handkerchief to wipe away my tears...
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
so i may be a "cruel sadistic wench "...but you two are apparently evil incarnate. :twisted: :twisted:
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
http://www.gjsentinel.com/hp/content/ne ... rrest.html
:evil:
What a sorry excuse for a human being. Utah just recently made animal cruelty a felony. I wish that law was nationwide.
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
I have no problem with people taking things into their hands, against this person, and match what he did to this poor creature. I only wish I could bring popcorn and watch it done to him.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
adding to the animal cruelty.
solving nothing