What's with all the animal abuse?

PearlJain

I'm just glad people are finally becoming aware of what they (in the past) have hastlily "forked" into their mouths with literally no thought in their process. Awareness is a huge start. Abuse, by definition, is NEVER acceptible. The animals may not Thank You personally, however - they will remain alive- regardless. That in and of itself - should be "Thanks" enough.

PearlJain

dimitrispearljam wrote:

All for the sake of the bottom line. There is no humanity in the food industry, yet many of these people are devoted pro-lifers. Go figure

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Save the chickens...kill the babys. Yep that makes more sense. [/quote]
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Complet Oxy-Moron. Therefore -Please tell me you laugh for this reason. Killing living things is never a laughing matter. Perhaps you are applying for the "Comedian" position at the local abortion clinic?

dunkman

PearlJain wrote:

Complet Oxy-Moron. Therefore -Please tell me you laugh for this reason. Killing living things is never a laughing matter. Perhaps you are applying for the "Comedian" position at the local abortion clinic?

you're right... i watched the Saddam hanging on youtube... thought it was genuinely fucking awful... i only gave it 3 stars.

dcfaithful

Sleep.With.Innocence wrote:

I'm not going to click either. I have a heart for animals. I am a big humanitarian in that aspect, and I am hoping to become more of an animal activist as I grow older.

That's great man, but may I ask...why wait until you're older?? The more time you have to learn and participate, the better and more productive you'll become.

My girlfriend really turned me onto the activism side of animal rights, and I guess, even animal rights as a whole...before hand it was something I never payed attention to...but I'm gladt hat I had my eyes opened for me. Also, this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, but I'm just goign to say it because it's a big step/part for people who become animal activists. Having a vegetarian diet has been nothing but great..

Now of course, you don't have to be a veggie, and I'm not in any way trying to influence your decision...but just giving my two cents on the subject. If you're considering it at some point, but worried about "what will I eat and where will I get my nutrients?", you'll have no problems.

dcfaithful

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

If you are not supposed to eat animals why are they made of meat?

You have meat on your bones...can I serve you for dinner at my table?

dcfaithful

weenie wrote:

TravisTheSky wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

If you are not supposed to eat animals why are they made of meat?

Male calves and pigs have their testicles torn out without anaesthesia. Cattle are branded, and horns are lopped off. Pigs have their tails sliced off. Chicks have the tips of their sensitive beaks cut off so that they don't peck each other to death when crammed into standing room-only battery cages.

Delicious!

All for the sake of the bottom line. There is no humanity in the food industry, yet many of these people are devoted pro-lifers. Go figure

It's a shame that a lot of the things taht go on in slaughter houses aren't brought to a forefront for people to see...I think a lot of people would feel the absolute disgust if they were able to.

Thank God for the government for protecting us from all the information that would probably help us make a better decision in the end.

jlew24asu

weenie wrote:

What you obviously missed, is that people who think fetuses shouldn't be killed, don't mind maiming and killing living animals. All life should be considered sacred. But I don't expect you to understand that philosophy judging from some of the posts I've seen from you on various threads. :roll:

animals and humans are not equal. we are superior to them. they are lower on the food chain. but I dont expect you to understand that

decides2dream

jlew24asu wrote:

weenie wrote:

What you obviously missed, is that people who think fetuses shouldn't be killed, don't mind maiming and killing living animals. All life should be considered sacred. But I don't expect you to understand that philosophy judging from some of the posts I've seen from you on various threads. :roll:

animals and humans are not equal. we are superior to them. they are lower on the food chain. but I dont expect you to understand that

understand it....or simply have a difference of opinion on it?
there IS a difference ya know. we have superior intelligence and higher on the food chain, you bet. doesn't stop us from getting eaten/killed by far 'inferior' species. point is, the idea of our superiority is just that; our idea. there are some people who do not think as you do. and sure, the vast majority of humans do think as you do, as do most species think of themselves first. however, as humans with this extra brain power we can choose to think differently if we so desire.


i personally do not consider life sacred per se, human or otherwise. life just *is*....and we're fortunate to enjoy it. however, i do believe we should try and avoid cruelty at all costs, if/when we can....human or otherwise.

Dirtie_Frank

I have an idea save a cow eat a vegetarian.

weenie

jlew24asu wrote:

weenie wrote:

What you obviously missed, is that people who think fetuses shouldn't be killed, don't mind maiming and killing living animals. All life should be considered sacred. But I don't expect you to understand that philosophy judging from some of the posts I've seen from you on various threads. :roll:

animals and humans are not equal. we are superior to them. they are lower on the food chain. but I dont expect you to understand that

I understand why you might think that way, I just happen to disagree. To say that man is superior is just an egocentric viewpoint. Even if you were to gauge "superiority" by intelligence, wouldn't that make it our responsibility to care for the existence of those who are less so; to do the best we can to protect the innocent and less worldly - just as we do for children? And as to superior intelligence - there is some evidence that Dolphins (porpoises) are as intelligent as man, if not moreso.

:geek: If beings from another planet who were more highly evolved and vastly more intelligent came to earth and started killing and eating humans, would you think their "superiority" gave them the right to do so?

Just for the record, the comment I made which you copied into your last post wasn't directed at you.

jlew24asu

weenie wrote:

I understand why you might think that way, I just happen to disagree. To say that man is superior is just an egocentric viewpoint. Even if you were to gauge "superiority" by intelligence, wouldn't that make it our responsibility to care for the existence of those who are less so; to do the best we can to protect the innocent and less worldly - just as we do for children? And as to superior intelligence - there is some evidence that Dolphins (porpoises) are as intelligent as man, if not moreso.

like I said, animals are lower on the food chain. we win, they lose.

weenie wrote:

:geek: If beings from another planet who were more highly evolved and vastly more intelligent came to earth and started killing and eating humans, would you think their "superiority" gave them the right to do so?

um. is this a serious question?

weenie wrote:

Just for the record, the comment I made which you copied into your last post wasn't directed at you.

to add to the record. the comments I made, were directed at you.

CJMST3K

jlew24asu wrote:

weenie wrote:

I understand why you might think that way, I just happen to disagree. To say that man is superior is just an egocentric viewpoint. Even if you were to gauge "superiority" by intelligence, wouldn't that make it our responsibility to care for the existence of those who are less so; to do the best we can to protect the innocent and less worldly - just as we do for children? And as to superior intelligence - there is some evidence that Dolphins (porpoises) are as intelligent as man, if not moreso.

like I said, animals are lower on the food chain. we win, they lose.

It's this type of statement that makes me understand why human slavery existed in the U.S. for so long.

:roll:

jlew24asu wrote:

weenie wrote:

:geek: If beings from another planet who were more highly evolved and vastly more intelligent came to earth and started killing and eating humans, would you think their "superiority" gave them the right to do so?

um. is this a serious question?

I believe Weenie is asking a good question. Too bad you deflected it.

weenie

Yes, I was completely serious with my question. It follows the same foodchain superiority logic you profess to be the law of the animal kingdom, so why didn't you take it seriously? :shock:

tybird

weenie wrote:

Yes, I was completely serious with my question. It follows the same foodchain superiority logic you profess to be the law of the animal kingdom, so why didn't you take it seriously? :shock:

We are the alpha predator in many cases....the food-chain idea has been replaced by the "food web" idea....In some cases, we are naturally the alpha predator (domestic live stock)....in other cases, we have removed the alpha predators (mountain lions and wolves for example) and have had to assume their role to manage some populations such as White-tailed Deer in the eastern U.S.

If a superior alien race showed up and wanted to eat us.....then the Darwinian rules would apply....we either stop them or we go extinct.

As to most domestic live stock, many of these species have been breed by man over the centuries to such a point that they could not exist in the wild.....the origin species of the domestic cow is long extinct.....farm-bred turkey have lost the ability to fly due to our selective breeding of the species to create a larger breast in it.

weenie

tybird wrote:

weenie wrote:

Yes, I was completely serious with my question. It follows the same foodchain superiority logic you profess to be the law of the animal kingdom, so why didn't you take it seriously? :shock:

We are the alpha predator in many cases....the food-chain idea has been replaced by the "food web" idea....In some cases, we are naturally the alpha predator (domestic live stock)....in other cases, we have removed the alpha predators (mountain lions and wolves for example) and have had to assume their role to manage some populations such as White-tailed Deer in the eastern U.S.

If a superior alien race showed up and wanted to eat us.....then the Darwinian rules would apply....we either stop them or we go extinct.

As to most domestic live stock, many of these species have been breed by man over the centuries to such a point that they could not exist in the wild.....the origin species of the domestic cow is long extinct.....farm-bred turkey have lost the ability to fly due to our selective breeding of the species to create a larger breast in it.

I appreciate the scientific perspective, which I'm sure is accurate. I was trying to bring ethics into the conversation based on the poster's assumption of "right" and "wrong". Man is civilized and has a choice. Most of us are not out foraging for our meals and having to engage in life or death conflict in order to survive. As humans, we can choose not to eat animals and still live very healthy lives. Just because we are the "alpha predator", doesn't mean we can't choose to act ethically in terms of how we treat the animals - whether we breed them to kill for food and take away their natural instincts, or whether we choose not to eat them at all. I think evolution includes the mind and spirit as well as the body. JMO I don't necessarily think that people will agree with my particular philosophy, but I do hope they give the whole idea of treating animals ethically some serious thought.

jlew24asu

CJMST3K wrote:

It's this type of statement that makes me understand why human slavery existed in the U.S. for so long.

:roll:

hi, we are talking about ANIMALS. animals are not humans. they are a food source. did we eat slaves?

jlew24asu wrote:

weenie wrote:

:geek: If beings from another planet who were more highly evolved and vastly more intelligent came to earth and started killing and eating humans, would you think their "superiority" gave them the right to do so?

um. is this a serious question?

I believe Weenie is asking a good question. Too bad you deflected it.[/quote]

I didnt deflect it. I asked if she seriously wanted to talk about aliens taking over the earth and eating us.

jlew24asu

weenie wrote:

Yes, I was completely serious with my question. It follows the same foodchain superiority logic you profess to be the law of the animal kingdom, so why didn't you take it seriously? :shock:

because asking me to discuss aliens invading the earth and eating us is fucking asinine.

decides2dream

jlew24asu wrote:

weenie wrote:

Yes, I was completely serious with my question. It follows the same foodchain superiority logic you profess to be the law of the animal kingdom, so why didn't you take it seriously? :shock:

because asking me to discuss aliens invading the earth and eating us is fucking asinine.

why?
the 'point' is....you say we are 'superior, top of the food chain, highest intelligence, we win'...and all he is asking is what IF that weren't true, would you then be a-ok with it? the example may be far-fetched, but the ideas behind it are not. being the smartest isn't always the end-all, be-all, nor should one mistake if for the right to be cruel and domineering over all life.

anyhoo.....whatever. our 'superiority' is our own construct. and if we ARe these 'supreme beings' we certainly could do a better job of managing the planet we 'reign' over, and certainly could treat all the creature in our dominion with better care. honestly, i think that really is the whole 'point' of it....but weenie and/oc CJMwhatever can correct me if i'm wrong.

jlew24asu

decides2dream wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

weenie wrote:

Yes, I was completely serious with my question. It follows the same foodchain superiority logic you profess to be the law of the animal kingdom, so why didn't you take it seriously? :shock:

because asking me to discuss aliens invading the earth and eating us is fucking asinine.

why?
the 'point' is....you say we are 'superior, top of the food chain, highest intelligence, we win'...and all he is asking is what IF that weren't true, would you then be a-ok with it? the example may be far-fetched, but the ideas behind it are not. being the smartest isn't always the end-all, be-all, nor should one mistake if for the right to be cruel and domineering over all life.

why!?! ok, you want to know why? because aliens aren't coming to earth to eat us! thats why. but fine, you want me to entertain this nonsense with an answer, fine.

no I wouldn't be "a-ok" with aliens eating me. as I'm sure animals aren't a-ok with me eating them. but guess what, thats too damn bad. we are superior, we are highest on the food chain. we win, they lose.

when these aliens come to invade earth I will put up a fight by any means necessary. I might win, I might not. maybe we should start training cows to use guns to make it a fair fight.

dunkman

decides2dream wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

weenie wrote:

Yes, I was completely serious with my question. It follows the same foodchain superiority logic you profess to be the law of the animal kingdom, so why didn't you take it seriously? :shock:

because asking me to discuss aliens invading the earth and eating us is fucking asinine.

why?
the 'point' is....you say we are 'superior, top of the food chain, highest intelligence, we win'...and all he is asking is what IF that weren't true, would you then be a-ok with it? the example may be far-fetched, but the ideas behind it are not. being the smartest isn't always the end-all, be-all, nor should one mistake if for the right to be cruel and domineering over all life.

because its supposition... also he wasnt suggesting we should be cruel... he said we were top of the food chain. which we are... unless we fall into a shark infested ocean wearing a suit covered in blood.. in which case we are not...

anyway, we have incisors, we are designed to eat meat... our digestive juices are designed to break down meat... we need certain minerals/irons/vitamins/etc from meats.

i dont think its fair to test new make-up on little monkeys... but if we could find a cure for cancer and if it meant testing it on slugs then i couldnt care.