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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
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    i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    edited May 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    What is happening? :i_dunno:
    You mean Jeffbr resorting to ***NAME*** calling instead of offering a proper " "Intelligent" " conversation???
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,969
    http://fox59.com/2018/05/28/noblesville-mayor-says-he-was-booted-from-gun-store-following-school-shooting/

    Just to give this perspective.  There was a shooting at a middle school in Noblesville, IN on Friday.  As of now there are no deaths.  The teacher that was shot (who tackled the shooter) is out of the hospital and doing well.  The little girl that was shot is still in the hospital in stable condition.

    The day after the shooting, a local gun shop had an NRA sign up tent set up in their parking lot.  The REPUBLICAN Mayor (I think he's on his third term) went to the gun store to ask them to please take down the tent given the circumstances.  They kicked him out of the store.

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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    i_lov_it said:
    tbergs said:
    i_lov_it said:
    Please go smoke another bowl

    Very Intelligent answer from *You're Blanched*...come on *You're Blanched*???
    Are you okay? Maybe take this off the forum and reach out directly if you feel you've been slighted. Hope your day goes better.
    Are you Ok?...offer something to the conversation other then belittling other people...
    Belittling? I asked a serious question based on your frequent comments on an individual poster. Take you own advice and offer something to the conversation instead of going after everyone who responds to your posts in a way you don't like. I was being polite to you, but I will ignore you from now on, but ask that you quit filling this board with your personal vendettas against other posters.

    As I said before, hope your day better.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    edited May 2018
    tbergs said:
    i_lov_it said:
    tbergs said:
    i_lov_it said:
    Please go smoke another bowl

    Very Intelligent answer from *You're Blanched*...come on *You're Blanched*???
    Are you okay? Maybe take this off the forum and reach out directly if you feel you've been slighted. Hope your day goes better.
    Are you Ok?...offer something to the conversation other then belittling other people...
    Belittling? I asked a serious question based on your frequent comments on an individual poster. Take you own advice and offer something to the conversation instead of going after everyone who responds to your posts in a way you don't like. I was being polite to you, but I will ignore you from now on, but ask that you quit filling this board with your personal vendettas against other posters.

    As I said before, hope your day better.

    No you take your own advice...if someone belittles another person or calls someone names...naturally they will defend themselves...what you just said is so *Hypocritical*...and you quit filling this board with Personal vendettas...

    Hope your day gets better too...

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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    i_lov_it said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    What is happening? :i_dunno:
    You mean Jeffbr resorting to ***NAME*** calling instead of offering a proper " "Intelligent" " conversation???
    I have no idea what you're talking about. :confused:
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    i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    PJ_Soul said:
    i_lov_it said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    What is happening? :i_dunno:
    You mean Jeffbr resorting to ***NAME*** calling instead of offering a proper " "Intelligent" " conversation???
    I have no idea what you're talking about. :confused:

    It's ok Alli...
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    i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    edited May 2018
    i_lov_it said:
    jeffbr said:
    my2hands said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:

    Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

    If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

    I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

    Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

    “Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol
    there are plenty of citizens saying ban all guns. no politicians, that I've seen, are saying ban all guns. I think that's what people are referring to when saying "nobody is saying ban all guns". 
    Maybe so, maybe the right phrase would be “nobodies are saying ban all guns”
    In all honesty, in a perfect world, guns would be illegal. the US is obviously way too far gone for that, but don't you agree it would be ideal? if criminals had automatic sentences of whatever term just for possessing one, don't you think that would drive down the need for citizens, or do you think people would still hang onto this "tyrannical government" nonsense?
    In a perfect world, there would be no criminals at all and there would be no tyrannical governments and farts would smell like daisies.  It is a pointless hypothetical, though, as daisies have very little nutritional value ;).  Yes, we are way too far gone for that and that’s why I mock those that suggest a complete gun ban.  
    Your home arsenal wouldn't do shit to stop a tyrannical government...

    Fact is, most of the time they convince the masses to go along with them... its easier to manipulate your citizens then fight them... 

    Iraq invasion & occupation, shock & awe, torture, black rendition sites, detentioners held for years without charge at Guantanomo, at least 1 million dead.... that was, and is, fucking horrific and evil... disgusting... maybe the most "tyrannical" thing done by any country in my lifetime... and a ton of the masses cheered and supported it while waving flags... some still think it was fine and support it.... all based on lies, propaganda, and manipulation... your guns dont mean shit buddy, it's your brain they are going after

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    I believe this is what gets overlooked or lost by the hardcore defenders of the 2A (and I used to be one of them). The argument that we need guns to protect ourselves from government tyranny. The reality, though, is exactly what we're currently experiencing. We have a president who has no regard for laws, truth or principle, and the people with the guns who want to protect themselves from tyranny are the same people eating this up and throwing all of their support behind Cheetolini, sending around memes bashing the press and the media in general, normalizing abhorrent behavior, accepting lies, unravelling civil rights, etc... My2hands has it right - fascism and tyranny will happen without guns being fired. It will happen because of a cult of personality. It will happen because of fake patriotism, and hyper-nationalism.
    I could resort to ***NAME*** calling just like you...simply because I don't agree with what you said...but I won't though
    which is exactly what you did before you edited it. 
    Simply retaliation though...but atleast I had the decency too edit it...
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    dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 20,827
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    i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    dankind said:
    Well I'm sure Jeffbr ***NAME*** calling emotions got the better of him haha
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    i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    edited May 2018
    Come on Jeffbr stop with the ***NAME*** calling ok...having a different opinion is one thing but RESORTING to ***NAME*** calling is another...
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    i_lov_it said:
    Come on Jeffbr stop with the ***NAME*** calling ok...having a different opinion is one thing but RESORTING to ***NAME*** calling is another...
    What do you think about gun violence in America?
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    i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    edited May 2018
    dignin said:
    i_lov_it said:
    Come on Jeffbr stop with the ***NAME*** calling ok...having a different opinion is one thing but RESORTING to ***NAME*** calling is another...
    What do you think about gun violence in America?

    You're not going call me names like Jeffbr right? lol
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    It’s hostile in here today.
    We definitely need to drink some beers and figure all this shit out.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s hostile in here today.
    We definitely need to drink some beers and figure all this shit out.  
    we might need more than beer lol
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    Fucking moron:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/porn-leads-school-shootings-gop-162323247.html

    Does anyone know what kind of porn Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn.) is watching?

    Whatever it is, the 67-year-old Black, who is running for governor of Tennessee, said it’s a “big part” of what is driving the spike in school shootings.

    During a meeting last week with local pastors, Black raised the issue of gun violence in schools and why it keeps happening.

    “Pornography,” she said.

    “It’s available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store. Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there’s pornography there,” she continued. “All of this is available without parental guidance. I think that is a big part of the root cause.”

    Here’s an audio of her remarks, which she made during a listening session with ministers at Safe Harbor of Clarksville, Tennessee.

    Black didn’t clarify what it is about porn that she thinks is leading to school massacres. Her congressional spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.Beyond naughty movies, Black said school shootings are on the rise because of the “deterioration of the family,” mental illness and violent movies.There have been 23 shootings of some type this year on the campuses of K-12 schools or colleges. Of those at the K-12 schools, nine involved a gun being discharged and people being injured or killed, including a Friday shooting in Indiana school that left a teacher and a student injured.Contrary to Black’s take, experts say poor social, economic and cultural conditions are primary drivers of gun violence. Enacting policies to improve those conditions for people, along with reducing access to firearms, would go a long way in stemming mass shootings, they say.These actions are “far more effective than all the police, doctors and hospitals combined, and intervening only after tragedies have struck,” said professors James Gilligan of New York University and Bandy Lee of Yale University, both experts on violence.

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888

    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s hostile in here today.
    We definitely need to drink some beers and figure all this shit out.  
    we might need more than beer lol
    Definitely no porn talk.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    mcgruff10 said:
    Fucking moron:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/porn-leads-school-shootings-gop-162323247.html

    Does anyone know what kind of porn Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn.) is watching?

    Whatever it is, the 67-year-old Black, who is running for governor of Tennessee, said it’s a “big part” of what is driving the spike in school shootings.

    During a meeting last week with local pastors, Black raised the issue of gun violence in schools and why it keeps happening.

    “Pornography,” she said.

    “It’s available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store. Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there’s pornography there,” she continued. “All of this is available without parental guidance. I think that is a big part of the root cause.”

    Here’s an audio of her remarks, which she made during a listening session with ministers at Safe Harbor of Clarksville, Tennessee.

    Black didn’t clarify what it is about porn that she thinks is leading to school massacres. Her congressional spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.Beyond naughty movies, Black said school shootings are on the rise because of the “deterioration of the family,” mental illness and violent movies.There have been 23 shootings of some type this year on the campuses of K-12 schools or colleges. Of those at the K-12 schools, nine involved a gun being discharged and people being injured or killed, including a Friday shooting in Indiana school that left a teacher and a student injured.Contrary to Black’s take, experts say poor social, economic and cultural conditions are primary drivers of gun violence. Enacting policies to improve those conditions for people, along with reducing access to firearms, would go a long way in stemming mass shootings, they say.These actions are “far more effective than all the police, doctors and hospitals combined, and intervening only after tragedies have struck,” said professors James Gilligan of New York University and Bandy Lee of Yale University, both experts on violence.

    I'm more curious about what grocery store she shops at, lol. I've never seen porn in my local Safeway before! And God have mercy, keep this person away from the internet! If the grocery store porn disturbs her, she's liable to die from being scandalized once she sees what's online! :lol:
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Fucking moron:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/porn-leads-school-shootings-gop-162323247.html

    Does anyone know what kind of porn Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn.) is watching?

    Whatever it is, the 67-year-old Black, who is running for governor of Tennessee, said it’s a “big part” of what is driving the spike in school shootings.

    During a meeting last week with local pastors, Black raised the issue of gun violence in schools and why it keeps happening.

    “Pornography,” she said.

    “It’s available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store. Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there’s pornography there,” she continued. “All of this is available without parental guidance. I think that is a big part of the root cause.”

    Here’s an audio of her remarks, which she made during a listening session with ministers at Safe Harbor of Clarksville, Tennessee.

    Black didn’t clarify what it is about porn that she thinks is leading to school massacres. Her congressional spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.Beyond naughty movies, Black said school shootings are on the rise because of the “deterioration of the family,” mental illness and violent movies.There have been 23 shootings of some type this year on the campuses of K-12 schools or colleges. Of those at the K-12 schools, nine involved a gun being discharged and people being injured or killed, including a Friday shooting in Indiana school that left a teacher and a student injured.Contrary to Black’s take, experts say poor social, economic and cultural conditions are primary drivers of gun violence. Enacting policies to improve those conditions for people, along with reducing access to firearms, would go a long way in stemming mass shootings, they say.These actions are “far more effective than all the police, doctors and hospitals combined, and intervening only after tragedies have struck,” said professors James Gilligan of New York University and Bandy Lee of Yale University, both experts on violence.

    I'm more curious about what grocery store she shops at, lol. I've never seen porn in my local Safeway before! And God have mercy, keep this person away from the internet! If the grocery store porn disturbs her, she's liable to die from being scandalized once she sees what's online! :lol:
    I can't imagine what she would find on the internet. lol   
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,540
    http://fox59.com/2018/05/28/noblesville-mayor-says-he-was-booted-from-gun-store-following-school-shooting/

    Just to give this perspective.  There was a shooting at a middle school in Noblesville, IN on Friday.  As of now there are no deaths.  The teacher that was shot (who tackled the shooter) is out of the hospital and doing well.  The little girl that was shot is still in the hospital in stable condition.

    The day after the shooting, a local gun shop had an NRA sign up tent set up in their parking lot.  The REPUBLICAN Mayor (I think he's on his third term) went to the gun store to ask them to please take down the tent given the circumstances.  They kicked him out of the store.

    Disturbing. 

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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,540
    Gun fans:  I do not own a gun.   Am I still alive after 37 years because dangerous criminals assume I may have a gun on me in my car or home?  I just don't understand after reading up on these threads how I have survived all these years.  It is dumbfounding to me how lucky I must be.  Going to buy a lotto ticket today.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,418
    Gun fans:  I do not own a gun.   Am I still alive after 37 years because dangerous criminals assume I may have a gun on me in my car or home?  I just don't understand after reading up on these threads how I have survived all these years.  It is dumbfounding to me how lucky I must be.  Going to buy a lotto ticket today.
    Excellent post!  I've gone 4 more years than you. I must be some kind of miracle!
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,540
    Gun fans:  I do not own a gun.   Am I still alive after 37 years because dangerous criminals assume I may have a gun on me in my car or home?  I just don't understand after reading up on these threads how I have survived all these years.  It is dumbfounding to me how lucky I must be.  Going to buy a lotto ticket today.
    Excellent post!  I've gone 4 more years than you. I must be some kind of miracle!
    Wow!   You may have super powers.  You should check if you can fly or something.  I think it is highly unlikely I will make it four more years from now.  So many bad actors just waiting to attack me.  
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,540
    I have also eaten plenty of red meat over the years.  Not one ounce of it was from me shooting an animal myself to get it.  Don’t have a clue where it comes from.
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,550
    If porn was the cause of mass shootings there would have been many more of them over the years
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    dudemandudeman Posts: 2,976
    Gun fans:  I do not own a gun.   Am I still alive after 37 years because dangerous criminals assume I may have a gun on me in my car or home?  I just don't understand after reading up on these threads how I have survived all these years.  It is dumbfounding to me how lucky I must be.  Going to buy a lotto ticket today.
    Some of us have lost loved ones to murderers. Glad that hasn't happened to you.
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,540
    dudeman said:
    Gun fans:  I do not own a gun.   Am I still alive after 37 years because dangerous criminals assume I may have a gun on me in my car or home?  I just don't understand after reading up on these threads how I have survived all these years.  It is dumbfounding to me how lucky I must be.  Going to buy a lotto ticket today.
    Some of us have lost loved ones to murderers. Glad that hasn't happened to you.

    That is very sad.  I'm sorry if you lost someone this way.  

    A lot of these people were probably murdered with guns.  I wonder what percentage of people killed would have enough time to get a gun to protect themselves in that incident even if they had the gun.   Sure the killers could use a knife or other blunt object, but it seems the common denominator are guns.  Other countries do not have the gun crime we do so I think we should start getting this country to become more like others (and that means a long term goal of getting rid of guns). 

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