America's Gun Violence

Halifax2TheMax

Another “responsible” gun owner having a bad day?

http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_171a60e0cdcd893d1e4582071ed837dc

stuckinline

Is this a way to 'Make America Great Again'?

The GOP’s Latest Gun Bill Would Be Catastrophic For Women Fleeing Abuse

A potential nightmare situation for victims of domestic violence is brewing in the U.S. House, which is expected to vote this week on a bill that would allow many domestic abusers banned from carrying firearms in their home states to obtain concealed carrypermits elsewhere.

The bill, from Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.), allows anyone with a permit from one state to carry hidden, loaded firearms into all other states. Opponents of the legislation, known as the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, warn that it would allow the states with the loosest permitting standards to define the laws of the nation and would undermine states’ rights to protect their own residents.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/concealed-carry-gun-bill-domestic-violence_us_5a26d1cce4b06d807b4f8a63?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

mace1229

stuckinline said:

Is this a way to 'Make America Great Again'?

The GOP’s Latest Gun Bill Would Be Catastrophic For Women Fleeing Abuse

A potential nightmare situation for victims of domestic violence is brewing in the U.S. House, which is expected to vote this week on a bill that would allow many domestic abusers banned from carrying firearms in their home states to obtain concealed carrypermits elsewhere.

The bill, from Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.), allows anyone with a permit from one state to carry hidden, loaded firearms into all other states. Opponents of the legislation, known as the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, warn that it would allow the states with the loosest permitting standards to define the laws of the nation and would undermine states’ rights to protect their own residents.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/concealed-carry-gun-bill-domestic-violence_us_5a26d1cce4b06d807b4f8a63?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

There are very few states that will grant a concealed weapons permit without being a resident. Virginia I think is one, I'm not even sure if there is a second, but there might be a few others.
I would be for that law if being a resident in a state became a requirement for obtaining a permit in all states, and with the exception of just 1 or 2 states that already is the case. Get the couple states to require residency, and this bill doesn't apply to the situation described. 

*I just looked at a list, I was surprised to see several states do not require residency.  So there are more options than I orginaly thought.

mace1229

After looking at requirements for several states I found that each of those states denied a permit if you were convicted of assault or domestic violence, along with a list of numerous other disqualifiers. Even Virginia, which I've always heard was one of the easiest to obtain an out of state license. 
So I really don't see how it would have this catastrophic impact the heading made it out to be. Most who are impacted by what that article is claiming would be denied a permit to begin with.
For the record, I don't see the point in an out of state license, but I can see a point in honoring another state's license when you travel. Apply in your own state.

Bentleyspop

Guns don't  kill people


Gun owners children kill people......

Aztec High School: 3 dead in New Mexico school shooting

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/12/07/police-shooting-reported-new-mexico-high-school/930867001/

CM189191

Bentleyspop said:

Guns don't  kill people


Gun owners well regulated militia-children kill people......

Aztec High School: 3 dead in New Mexico school shooting

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/12/07/police-shooting-reported-new-mexico-high-school/930867001/

ftfy

Thirty Bills Unpaid

This is hilarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

Seriously... very very funny. And accurate. Don't watch if you are sensitive about maintaining the status quo with regards to gun ownership.

Halifax2TheMax

5 years ago today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/nyregion/newtown-sandy-hook-five-year-anniversary.html

tbergs

Good read from the Atlantic that goes beyond the death toll.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/guns-nonfatal-shooting-newtown-las-vegas/548372/

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Halifax2TheMax said:

5 years ago today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/nyregion/newtown-sandy-hook-five-year-anniversary.html

That day made me feel worse than 9-11. It was a real punch to the gut.

The response... or better yet 'non' response... was shocking.

* Has anyone watched that clip I posted? It's really good. It's got a reference to Sandy Hook as well.

tbergs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

5 years ago today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/nyregion/newtown-sandy-hook-five-year-anniversary.html

That day made me feel worse than 9-11. It was a real punch to the gut.

The response... or better yet 'non' response... was shocking.

* Has anyone watched that clip I posted? It's really good. It's got a reference to Sandy Hook as well.

Yes.I love that clip. Seen it before, but still relevant as ever.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

tbergs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

5 years ago today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/nyregion/newtown-sandy-hook-five-year-anniversary.html

That day made me feel worse than 9-11. It was a real punch to the gut.

The response... or better yet 'non' response... was shocking.

* Has anyone watched that clip I posted? It's really good. It's got a reference to Sandy Hook as well.

Yes.I love that clip. Seen it before, but still relevant as ever.

Cheers!

Halifax2TheMax

Now that’s some brilliantly serious leadership of brilliance, right there.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/politics/guns-white-house-sandy-hook/index.html

Halifax2TheMax

Better than nothing can be done.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/15/opinion/guns-buyback-program.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Halifax2TheMax

Just “responsible” gun owners exercising their first amendment rights.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/opinion/gun-buybacks-newtown-anniversary.html

oftenreading

This is what happens when a Republican with significant experience of firearms and the damage that they cause speaks out honestly about gun control in the US:

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.4460458/retired-u-s-colonel-stands-by-gun-control-comments-that-cost-him-a-senate-confirmation-1.4460474

A retired U.S. air force colonel and flight surgeon says he doesn't regret speaking out about gun control, even though it cost him his dream job. 

Dean L. Winslow withdrew his name for consideration for U.S. assistant secretary of defence for health affairs after his confirmation was put on indefinite hold over his controversial remarks.

At his Senate hearing the day after a mass shooting at a church in Sunderland Springs, Texas, Winslow called it "insane" that U.S. citizens can buy semi-automatic weapons.

Republican Sen. John McCain quickly interrupted, warning the doctor that gun control is outside his "area of responsibility or expertise."

Winslow, who has since written about experience for the Washington Post, spoke with As It Happens guest host Helen Mann about why he stands by what he said. Here is part of that conversation.

Had you gone into that hearing thinking about [the shooting] or intending to say anything along the line of what you said?

I literally found out about the shooting when I got off the plane at Washington Dulles Airport — and it was, of course, quite a shock.

There was such a tremendous loss of innocent lives and it seemed particularly obscene to me that it occurred in a house of worship

What do you make of the interjection by Sen. McCain?

I have the greatest respect for Sen. McCain and I was actually quite surprised that he felt so strongly that I should not comment.

The job, assistant secretary of defence for health care, has actually no responsibility for civilian gun control. That's really not, as he correctly states, in my area of responsibility.

However, I was being asked directly by [Democratic] Sen. [Jeanne] Shaheen what, basically, could be done to prevent instances like this happening in the future.

Sen. McCain didn't just say it wasn't in your area of responsibility. He said it wasn't in your area of expertise. You're a doctor. You've served in the military. You're a marksman. What impact can these weapons have?

These weapons, they're really designed primarily for one purpose, which is to kill human beings. I think most people agree that they're not optimal weapons for hunting. And even in the unlikely event of a home invasion, it's actually probably not even the best weapon for that use either.

So my concern came from the perspective of a doctor who's familiar with these weapons. I feel personally comfortable around them, but these are military weapons, in my opinion, and really do not have a place, at least in an unrestricted environment, in people's hands

As a doctor, what kind of damage have you seen from them?

I deployed four times to Iraq and twice to Afghanistan so I've certainly seen first-hand the devastating sorts of injuries that assault weapons do to human beings — the saddest of which, honestly, was being called to the morgue on a base in Baghdad almost every night during the surge to pronounce death in coalition soldiers who had died in combat that day.

I won't describe to you what those injuries are like, but they're very horrific

What happened after the hearing?

Essentially, my confirmation was put on hold by the Senate armed services committee. 

And were you given any reason for that delay?

I was told by the Pentagon legislative affairs team that it was, No. 1, because of my comment about assault weapons in civilian hands.

So the confirmation was delayed. How long did that go on? Did you have communications with them to see what was happening?

When I spoke to [Defence Secretary] Gen. [Jim] Mattis about two weeks ago, I wanted him to know that I felt very strongly that we needed someone in that position ... and that our servicemen and women deserve that, and that I did not want this to be drawn out any further.

So I offered to Secretary Mattis that I withdraw my name from nomination and he agreed that that would be, at this point, the best course of action.Are you disappointed you won't be able to hold the position?

This would have been a very challenging and very important job that I would have enjoyed doing.

Looking back over the process, do you regret speaking out about semi-automatic and automatic weapons?

I stand by what I said.

tbergs

Said in an angry Ed snarl, "You have the right to free speech. As long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it!"

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Grim:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/public-safety/teen-charged-with-killing-girlfriends-parents-they-had-worried-he-was-a-neo-nazi/2017/12/23/e2102894-e761-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?__twitter_impression=true

Halifax2TheMax

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Grim:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/public-safety/teen-charged-with-killing-girlfriends-parents-they-had-worried-he-was-a-neo-nazi/2017/12/23/e2102894-e761-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?__twitter_impression=true

Teen. Responsible gun owner? Or responsible gun owning parents? Or responsible State allowing gun sales to teens? 

Halifax2TheMax

Any reason why this year will be different? Big spike in gun sales on Black Friday. So, two years later, up or down?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/28/guns-killed-more-people-on-christmas-in-the-u-s-than-in-an-entire-year-in-these-countries/