you have NO idea what you are talking about.
NONE.
[see, you're not the only one who can make unsubstantiated claims. :cool:]
the guy is a brainwasher. but I'm glad guys like him are allowed to speak. in other countries he would be put in front a firing squad. nonetheless, he is an asshole who has fucked up many young innocent minds.
Any info on the 2012 movie? Ive never heard of it.
It's NOT what you are thinking.
He has mentioned it a only a few times on his radio show.
From what little he does talk about 2012, the jist i get is this:
Basicaly AJ does NOT believe 2012 has any real INHERENT apocalyptic nature.
He does understand that the Mayan's placed significance on the date as being a shift of ages.
However from what he has said, his intended focus is going to be on how the Elite and the NWO -- being big believers in the occult and the ancient mystery religions -- are likely to USE 2012 as a convenient excuse to bring the world under their control.
I'm not sure of ANY details, except for that. He briefly discussed one day, after a caller asked about 2012, how he thought they (elite) would likely use the event to do something like release a biological weapon and cause worldwide panic and destruction ... something like that.
Other than that basic info, i'm not really sure what the film is.
He just said he has had so many people ask him about 2012 that, after he finishes this JFK movie, he is devoting time to that. He has been working on both simultaneously, and the JFK movie is coming out later this year, and the 2012 early\mid 2009.
For anyone who doubts that the elite are in to the Occult, you would be wise to pick up a copy of AJ's film on Bohemian Grove.
It is 100% UNDENIABLE. He has the fucking video of these cooks reinacting these ancient sacrificial seremonies and shit.
It is FUCKED UP!
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Exactly how much Alex Jones have you actualy bothered to watch or listen to?
Because something tells me you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.
The thing is EVERYTHING Alex Jones mentions, he has documents, news sources, or otherwise has evidence to validify his claims.
You, on the other hand, just talk a whole heap of unsubstantiated shit.
prime example #1. he has you completely brainwashed I see. I have listened to his show and read many articles from his website. he takes things too far, much like you seem to do. you (and AJ) will believe any link or article you read, but ONLY when it fits your agenda.
The Mayan calender is not the only calender to claim that 2012 is the shifting of ages. The Pagan calender, (And Christianity, egyptology, Bhuddism, Islam- by default) claim that the age of the fish is coming to an end, around that same time.
The mentioned religions cover about everyone in the world, so a belief structure that is that large could very easily be used by the elite for their ends.
prime example #1. he has you completely brainwashed I see. I have listened to his show and read many articles from his website. he takes things too far, much like you seem to do. you (and AJ) will believe any link or article you read, but ONLY when it fits your agenda.
Find me something that Alex Jones has brought up, in print, radio, or video that is FACTUALY INVALID, and we will talk some more.
Until then, you are blowing smoke.
ANYTHING i have bothered to fact check that comes out of that mans mouth checks out true.
Example.
He said on his show that GM soy DNA has been found to migrate in to gut bacteria in the human stomach.
Some jerk in another thread called me a fearmonger and went on about how this was bullshit and show him some proof.
So.
Like i said, what he says is FACTUALY accurate.
If you wish to dispute the claim you have to then go to his source, in this case a University study and PROVE to me that the SOURCE is invalid.
Can you DISPROVE the study?
Can you find me anything that he has mentioned that is not backed by a source?
Please?
Thank you.
:cool:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Wouldn't it be ironic to discover that with a slight genetic modification and 100 years or so of evolution, our stomach bacteria decide to change and behave differently as a consequence through generations.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Check out the clip of Jesse the body Ventura on Opie and Anthony. Did one of you guys start this awesome blog btw? According to the author, Jesse the body schooled all these clowns in the studio, but don't be fooled again because he certainly did not. I heard the thing live in its entirety and it was hilarious on multiple levels..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Former air traffic controller, Jeremy Baker, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and who handled two actual hijackings says that 9/11 could not have occurred as the government says, and that planes can be tracked on radar even when their transponders are turned off. interview here Here is a whole goddamn list of people (some mentioned above), see?
Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army Reserve – Commander of Special Troops Battalion, 9th Theater Support Command. Former Chief of the Army’s Controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) Program, overseeing Army Intelligence and Security Command’s global controlled HUMINT efforts. A former member of the Able Danger data mining program that targeted Al Qaeda’s global structure. Awarded the Bronze Star for bravery. Fellow, Center for Advanced Defense Studies. 23-year military intelligence career.
"Why did this operation, which was created in '99 to target Al Qaeda globally, offensively, why was that turned off in the Spring of 2001, four months before we were attacked? I can't answer that, either. I can tell you I was ordered out of the operation directly by a two-star general.
Melvin A. Goodman, PhD – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974 - 1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of Government at Johns Hopkins University. Author and co-author of several books on international relations:
"I think the 9/11 Commission has taught me that we need to be extremely rigorous and extremely tenacious in pursuing that truth, because there is a corporate mentality in this country that is working against allowing the truth to surface, even in tragedies, such as the 9/11 tragedy. ...
I want to talk about the [9/11] Commission itself, about the flawed process of the Commission and finally about the conflict of interest within the Commission that is extremely important to understand the failure of the Commission. ...
The final report is ultimately a coverup. I don't know how else to describe it."
Coleen Rowley – Former Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel, FBI. 24-year FBI career. Agent Rowley was selected one of Time Magazine's three 2002 Persons of the Year for revealing FBI headquarters' efforts to "throw up roadblocks and undermine" FBI field investigations of Al Qaeda operatives in the four weeks prior to 9/11.
Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller 5/21/02: Regarding FBI headquarters (FBIHQ) obstruction of terrorism investigations. "The fact is that key FBIHQ personnel whose job it was to assist and coordinate with field division agents on terrorism investigations and the obtaining and use of FISA searches (and who theoretically were privy to many more sources of intelligence information than field division agents), continued to, almost inexplicably, throw up roadblocks and undermine Minneapolis' by-now desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant, long after the French intelligence service provided its information and probable cause became clear. HQ personnel brought up almost ridiculous questions in their apparent efforts to undermine the probable cause. ...
When, in a desperate 11th hour measure to bypass the FBIHQ roadblock, the Minneapolis Division undertook to directly notify the CIA's Counter Terrorist Center (CTC), FBIHQ personnel actually chastised the Minneapolis agents for making the direct notification without their approval ...
I know I shouldn't be flippant about this, but jokes were actually made that the key FBIHQ personnel had to be spies or moles, like Robert Hansen, who were actually working for Osama Bin Laden to have so undercut Minneapolis' effort."
AND LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL POST. I ADDED MORE THERE. AS MUCH AS WOULD FIT
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Robert G. Wright, Jr. – Special Agent, International Terrorism Unit, FBI. The only FBI agent to seize terrorist funds (over $1.4 million) from U.S.-based Middle Eastern terrorists using federal civil forfeiture statutes, prior to 9/11. 17-year FBI veteran.
Agent Wright's Lawsuit against the FBI, filed 5/9/02: "The FBI's conscious failure to undertake criminal investigations of suspected terrorists in the United States was further shown when managers from the FBI's headquarters (FBIHQ) Counterterrorism Division met with the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) in Chicago and admitted to SA Wright that no one at FBIHQ reviewed or attempted to link all the reports filed by the FBI field offices regarding terrorist activities in the United States. ...
Regrettably, the largest obstacles to SA Wright's criminal investigation efforts of the HAMAS enterprise in the United States were the management of the Chicago field office and the FBIHQ Counterterrorism Division in Washington, D.C. ...
SA Wright's successful investigation, codename Vulgar Betrayal, led to the June 9, 1998 seizure of $1.4 million of funds destined for terrorist activities. ... The seized funds were directly linked to Saudi businessman Yassin Kadi. On October 12, 2001, Yassin Kadi, aka Yassin al-Qadi, was designated by the U.S. Government as a financial supporter of Osama Bin Laden. According to a U.S. Government source, Kadi provided $3 million to Bin Laden and his al-Qaida organization." http://www.judicialwatch.org
Editor's note: Agent Wright was never called as a witness by the 9/11 Commission, nor is he mentioned in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks" nor the Commission's separate 155-page Monograph on Terrorist Financing:
Despite Agent Wright's highly visible and credible criticism of the FBI's handling of investigations of suspected terrorists prior to 9/11,
Despite the public controversy caused by the refusal of the FBI to provide his manuscript to the U.S. Congress' Joint Intelligence Committee Investigation of 9/11 (JICI),
Despite the fact that he was the only FBI agent to seize terrorist funds (over $1.4 million) from U.S.-based Middle Eastern terrorists using federal civil forfeiture statutes, prior to 9/11, and
Despite the fact that one of the people directly connected to the $1.4 million seized by Agent Wright was Yassin al-Qadi, aka Yassin Kadi, who on 10/12/01 was designated by Presidential Executive Order 13224 as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” and financial supporter of Osama bin Laden and had his financial assets frozen in the United States.
Yassin al-Qadi is also not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report and is only mentioned obliquely in one footnote in the Commission's separate 155-page Monograph on Terrorist Financing.
See also Special Agent Coleen Rowley.
ABC News Interview 12/9/02: "In a dramatic interview with ABCNEWS, FBI special agents and partners Robert Wright and John Vincent say they were called off criminal investigations of suspected terrorists tied to the deadly bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. U.S. officials say al Qaeda was responsible for the embassy attacks and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States.
"September the 11th is a direct result of the incompetence of the FBI's International Terrorism Unit. No doubt about that. Absolutely no doubt about that," Wright said. "You can't know the things I know and not go public." http://web.archive.org
Judicial Watch Press Release 9/11/02: "The FBI continues to illegally refuse the release of SA Wright’s 500 page manuscript, Fatal Betrayals of the Intelligence Mission, that SA Wright submitted for prepublication review in October 2001. In fact, the FBI refused to turn the manuscript over to Sen. Richard C. Shelby, Vice Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee, charged with investigating the FBI’s intelligence failures." http://www.judicialwatch.org
Sibel D. Edmonds – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations, FBI.
Letter to 9/11 Commission 8/1/04 : "I find your report seriously flawed in its failure to address serious intelligence issues that I am aware of, which have been confirmed, and which as a witness to the commission, I made you aware of. Thus, I must assume that other serious issues that I am not aware of were in the same manner omitted from your report. These omissions cast doubt on the validity of your report and therefore on its conclusions and recommendations." http://www.com
Article 7/22/04: "My translations of the 9/11 intercepts included [terrorist] money laundering, detailed and date-specific information ... if they were to do real investigations, we would see several significant high-level criminal prosecutions in this country [the US] ... and believe me, they will do everything to cover this up." http://www.guardian.co.uk
Interview The Alex Jones Show 7/24/06:
Alex Jones: I'm asking you-- I mean, clearly, where does the evidence point on 9/11?
Sibel Edmonds: Well, that is the whole point, Alex. They are not letting out all the evidence. ...
Alex Jones: But even if they cut evidence out of reports, we have the clear evidence of Thermite in the buildings, we have clear evidence of C.I.A. insider trading, NORAD standing down, U.S. troops already massed in central Asia, Bush having the launch order two days before to attack Afghanistan. I mean, Sibel, when you put all that together-- I'm asking you personally-- where does all the evidence point?
Sibel Edmonds: The evidence points to a massive government cover-up. ...
Alex Jones: Sibel, what I'm asking you is, in your gut, do you think 9/11 to some extent is an inside job?
Sibel Edmonds: Well, again, as I am telling you, I'm trying to tell you is, I have all the evidence of cover-up. Now, who were the people behind this? And why? And how? We don't have a definite answer. As I said, we can come up with theories, we can come up with speculation, but they do not--I mean, in my opinion, they are not facts. But also what government has been giving us, again, I don't consider those a total--you know-- total truth or fact either.
Alex Jones: Would you be surprised?
Sibel Edmonds: No. I wouldn't.
Alex Jones: You wouldn't be surprised if elements or criminal elements or private contractors were involved in 9/11?
Sibel Edmonds: No, I wouldn't be surprised.
Alex Jones: So you wouldn't be surprised like many others, because of the evidence and the cover-up you've seen, if 9/11 was an inside job?
Sibel Edmonds: At this point, I'd have to say no, I wouldn't be surprised.
Alex Jones: Do you think the evidence is leaning towards that?
Sibel Edmonds: Well, again, considering the level of cover-up and the length at which they have gone to gag people and prevent information-- this information from coming out, I would say yes.
Bogdan Dzakovic – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer.
Video transcript 8/21/05 : Regarding the 9/11 Commission "The best I could say about it is they really botched the job by not really going into the real failures. … At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous." http://www.911report.com
Signatory of Petition to Release Information Pertaining to 9/11 10/5/06: "We, the undersigned, demand the immediate declassification and release of:
all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice. It has been alleged that this urgent and out-of-the-ordinary meeting was called to discuss the increasingly dire warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack within the U.S. ...
the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI), and
the CIA Inspector General’s report, CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks
The disastrous nature of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks warrant the release of all of this information so that the American public may learn what its government did or did not do to protect them. Had this nation been properly warned of the looming and imminent terrorist threat, life saving choices could have been made that day." http://www.petitiononline.com/july10
Steve Elson – Former Special Agent with the U.S. Navy, DEA and FAA. Specialist in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security. Twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare and nine years Federal service with the FAA and DEA. Retired Navy SEAL.
Article 8/3/04: "A former Navy SEAL and Drug Enforcement Administration rep in South America, Elson is not a timid man. "I'd give the commission a 'D' for investigating the FAA," he declares. ... "The commissioners knew a lot more than they included in the 9/11 report," he says. "They sold out." http://www.secure-skies.org
Signatory of Petition to Release Information Pertaining to 9/11 10/5/06: "We, the undersigned, demand the immediate declassification and release of:
all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice. It has been alleged that this urgent and out-of-the-ordinary meeting was called to discuss the increasingly dire warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack within the U.S. ...
the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI), and
the CIA Inspector General’s report, CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks
The disastrous nature of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks warrant the release of all of this information so that the American public may learn what its government did or did not do to protect them. Had this nation been properly warned of the looming and imminent terrorist threat, life saving choices could have been made that day." http://www.petitiononline.com/july10
Raymond A. Ciccolilli – Former U.S. Sky Marshal and Senior U.S. Customs Inspector. Retired from U.S. Customs and Border Protection after 33 years. Worked on almost every enforcement team within U.S. Customs.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"I am ashamed that I spent so many years defending the borders only to now know that we are now living the most corrupt time in all of U.S. history. I had some questions in my mind about all the circumstances involved in 9/11 but it wasn't until I watched this DVD did all the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. I guess, I, too, was living in denial. No one wants to believe this, but having witnessed two jet plane crashes in the past, and watching the Trade Center buildings collapse, I know that the facts do not add up.
After viewing several other documentaries on 9/11, I am now convinced these building were deliberately destroyed. Someone has to be held accountable." http://www.ae911truth.org
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 350 Architects and Engineers:
"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php
Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.
William G. Weaver, JD, PhD
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William G. Weaver, JD, PhD – Former U.S. Army Signals Intelligence officer. Currently Director of Academic Programs, Institute for Policy and Economic Development, University of Texas, El Paso, specializing in executive branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy. Author, co-author, and editor of several books on law and political theory, including: Presidential Secrecy and the Law (2007), New Perspectives on American Law: An Introduction to Private Law in Politics and Society (1997), Political Science and Feminism: Integration or Transformation? (1997), Pragmatism in Law and Society (1991).
Essay 9/5/06: Regarding the 9/11 Commission - "In their responsibility to report all the facts: They either refused to interview all relevant experts and witnesses, or, they censored the reports provided to them by those with direct and first-hand information. Both these acts were selective and intentional. Contrary to their pledge to establish accountability: They refused to hold anyone accountable and lamely justified it by saying, "We don’t want to point a finger at anyone." http://www.nswbc.org
Sgt. Chadwick Brooks and Sgt. William Lagasse – U.S. Pentagon Police Department (Pentagon Force Protection Agency) officers, who were on duty at or near the CITGO gas station on 9/11 and eyewitnesses to the approach of Flight 77 and its alleged impact at the Pentagon.
Interviewed by Craig Ranke in the PentaCon video documentary, filmed on 11/7/06:
Craig Ranke: Now how sure are you that the plane was to the north, coming from the north side of the Navy Annex--you're saying it was pretty much between the Navy Annex and Arlington cemetery. How certain are you of that?
Sgt. Lagasse: 100 percent, I'd bet my life on it. ...
Craig Ranke: Is there anything you told me that you think you might have just deduced?
Sgt. Lagasse: No, I mean, like I said the things that aren't up for grabs; the plane was there; went into the building.
Craig Ranke: The plane was far to the North side of the station. Did not pass over the station.
Sgt. Lagasse: Yeah, it's not like there was the shadow of a wingtip going over here. It was far enough out that I could see it because the one thing that made me realize what kind of plane it was; was being able to see both engines, you know, so it wasn't obscured at all. ...
Craig Ranke: Sgt. Brooks is going to draw for me on the image, where he saw the plane fly. ... [Sgt. Brooks draws a line on the aerial photo of the Pentagon area.]
Sgt. Lagasse: That's damn near perfect from what I saw. And we've never -- for the record we never talked to each other about this.
Sgt. Brooks: Yeah, for the record, we never -- we've never discussed it at all. ...
Craig Ranke: So you guys, neither of you guys have really talked about this with each other? Never in all these five years, and you both independently drew the flight path line pretty much exact.
Sgt. Lagasse: I know, I was -- the way this has been going -- who knew what he was going to put down there because he was in a different location. But it's right there, which makes me feel good about the way I remembered it.
Craig Ranke: So you're both pretty much 100% certain that that's what you remember the flight path being?
Editor's note: Sgt. Brooks' and Sgt. Lagasse's eyewitness descriptions of the path taken by Flight 77 as it approached the Pentagon from north of the Naval Annex and CITGO gas station differ significantly from the official account, which claims Flight 77 approached the Pentagon from significantly further south. The officers' statements are corroborated by the statements of other eyewitnesses recorded in the PentaCon documentary.
This more northerly flight path is inconsistent with the swath of destruction inside the Pentagon, which runs from the southwest to northeast, as reported in the Pentagon Building Damage Report. The more northerly flight path is also inconsistent with downing the five light poles, which is attributed to Flight 77 in the official account.
Sgt. Brooks' and Sgt. Lagasse's eyewitness statements are further corroborated by the analysis of Flight 77's Flight Data Recorder performed by the group, Pilots for 911 Truth, whose members include the former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology, Lt. Col. Robert Bowman. See the association's one-hour video presentation and press release for more details.
Edward J. Costello
John M. Cole
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Mark Conrad, JD
Rosemary N. Dew
Bogdan Dzakovic
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Sibel D. Edmonds
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Steve Elson
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David Forbes
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Melvin A. Goodman
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Mark Graf
Gilbert M. Graham
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Diane Kleiman
Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski
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Lynne A. Larkin
David MacMichael, PhD
Raymond L. McGovern
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Theodore J. Pahle
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Behrooz Sarshar
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Brian F. Sullivan
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Larry J. Tortorich
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Jane A. Turner
John B. Vincent
Fred Whitehurst, JD, PhD
Col. Ann Wright
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Matthew J. Zipoli
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Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report 9/13/04, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and law enforcement veterans: http://www.pogo.org/
"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the report and its recommendations. …
Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission’s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. …
The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations. ...
The Commission, with its incomplete report of "facts and circumstances", intentional avoidance of assigning accountability, and disregard for the knowledge, expertise and experience of those who actually do the job, has now set about pressuring our Congress and our nation to hastily implement all its recommendations. ...
We the undersigned, who have worked within various government agencies (FBI, CIA, FAA, DIA, Customs) responsible for national security and public safety, call upon you in Congress to include the voices of those with first-hand knowledge and expertise in the important issues at hand. We stand ready to do our part." http://www.pogo.org/
Edward J. Costello, Jr. – Former Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. Former Judge pro tem., Los Angeles, CAA.
John M. Cole – Former Intelligence Operations Specialist, in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division. In charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.18-year FBI career.
Mark Conrad, JD – Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations. Former Federal Sky Marshall. 27-year U.S. Customs career. Currently Associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents. Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University.
Rosemary N. Dew – Former Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence, FBI. Former member of The President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) and the Electronic Commerce/Cyber Crime Working Group. 13-year FBI career.
Bogdan Dzakovic – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. (See also individual statement above.)
Sibel D. Edmonds – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations, FBI. (See also individual statement above.)
Steve Elson – Former Special Agent with the U.S. Navy and the FAA. Specialist in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security. Twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare and nine years Federal service with the FAA and DEA. Retired Navy SEAL. (See also individual statement above.)
David Forbes – Former head of Thames Valley Police Fraud Squad, trained at New Scotland Yard. Over 30 years experience in law enforcement, commercial and industrial security-related risk management, and service sector business management. Currently Aviation, Logistics and Govt. Security Analyst, BoydForbes, Inc.
Melvin A. Goodman – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974 - 1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author and co-author of five books on international relations. (See also individual statement above.)
Mark Graf – Former Security Supervisor, Planner, and Derivative Classifier, Department of Energy. Former Chairman of the Rocky Flats (DOE) Physical Security Systems Working Group from 1990 through 1995.
Gilbert M. Graham – Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI. 24-year FBI career.
Diane Kleiman – Former Special Agent, US Customs.
Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran. (See also individual statement above.)
Lynne A. Larkin – Former CIA Operations Officer. Served in several CIA foreign stations and in the CIA's counter-intelligence center helping chair a multi-agency task force and seminars on coordinating intelligence among intelligence and crime prevention agencies.
David MacMichael, PhD – Former Senior Estimates Officer with special responsibility for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the CIA's National Intelligence Council. Former Captain, U.S. Marine Corps.
Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. (See also individual statement above.)
Theodore J. Pahle – Former Senior Intelligence Officer with the Defense Intelligence Agency. His 37-year intelligence career was exclusively as a HUMINT (Human Intelligence) operations officer with DIA, Office of Naval Intelligence and U.S. Army Intelligence. He is a Middle East and Latin American operations specialist. Today, he continues to support the HUMINT effort as a contract instructor.
Behrooz Sarshar – Retired Language Translation Specialist, performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan, FBI.
Brian F. Sullivan – Retired Special Agent and Risk Management Specialist, FAA. Retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police.
Commander Larry J. Tortorich, U.S. Navy (ret) – Former Deputy Program Manager for Logistics – Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. 24-year Navy career in the fields of aviation and counterterrorism. Two years as a federal employee with DHS/TSA in the fields of security and counterterrorism.
Jane A. Turner – Retired Special Agent, FBI. 24-year FBI career.
John B. Vincent – Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. 27-year FBI career.
Fred Whitehurst, JD, PhD – Retired Supervisory Special Agent / Laboratory Forensic Examiner, FBI. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.
Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and former U.S. Diplomat. Served 13 years on active duty with the U.S. Army and 16 years in the U.S. Army Reserves. She was a member of the International law team in Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada and served in Panama and Somalia. She joined the Foreign Service in 1987 and served as Deputy Chief of Mission of U.S. Embassies in Sierra Leone, Micronesia and Afghanistan. She helped reopen the US Embassy in Kabul in December, 2001. One of three U.S. State Department officials to publicly resign in direct protest of the invasion of Iraq in March, 2003. (See also individual statement above.)
Matthew J. Zipoli – Special Response Team (SRT) Officer, DOE. Vice President, Security Police Officer's Association, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
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Senator Max Cleland
Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1997 - 2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982 - 1996. Administrator of the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977 - 1981. Former Captain, U.S. Army. Awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries.
Article New York Times 10/26/03: "As each day goes by, we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before Sept. 11 than it has ever admitted." http://www.commondreams.org
Article Boston Globe 11/13/03: "If this decision stands [to limit access to White House documents], I, as a member of the [9/11] Commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the Commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised. . . . This is `The Gong Show'; this isn't protection of national security." http://www.
Article Salon 11/21/03: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "It is a national scandal." http://dir.salon.com
Resigned from the 9/11 Commission, 12/03, after having served on it for 12 months. Former Senator Bob Kerrey from Nebraska was selected to replace him. The 9/11 Commission Report was issued 7 months later.
Interview Democracy Now 3/23/04: "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up." http://www.democracynow.org
Senator Mike Gravel – Former U.S. Senator from Alaska 1969 - 1980. Currently, candidate for the Democratic nomination for the 2008 Presidential election. Most well known for entering over 4,000 page of the the Pentagon Papers into the U.S. Senate record, thus making public the secret official study that revealed the lies and manipulations of successive U.S. administrations that misled the country into the Vietnam War. (See also Daniel Ellsberg.) Also known for his successful one-man filibuster for five months in 1971 that forced the Nixon administration to cut a deal, effectively ending the draft (military conscription) in the United States. Former Member, Alaska House of Representatives 1962-1966, elected Speaker in 1965. Former Counter-Intelligence officer, U.S. Army. Founder, The Democracy Foundation. Author of Citizen Power: A People's Platform (1972), Pentagon Papers, In Four Volumes: The Defense Department History of United States Decisionmaking on Vietnam (1971), Jobs and More Jobs (1968). Contributing author to The Case for a Nuclear Moratorium (1974).
Video interview by Davis Fleetwood 7/23/07:
Question: 53% of the Americans in the New York Times / CBS [poll] think the government is lying to them about 9/11. Why is that question not asked at these debates?
Senator Gravel: I don't know. They don't want to ask it. And I pledge to the people who are concerned about that, that should I become President, we're going to have a new investigation.
Video interview on INN World Report (New York) 2/15/08:
Lenny Charles: In New York, we have a ballot initiative coming forward. They're collecting signatures from New York citizens to have a new 9/11 investigation. And you've been asked to be a Commissioner if that investigation goes forward. What are your thoughts on that?
Senator Gravel: I have told the leaders of this organization, Les Jamison and Dr. Pepper, I would be honored to serve on that Commission. And I hope the citizens of New York pass this initiative. And I don't know if they'll be able to overcome the powers of the Federal government, but I tell you, if I become President of the United States, that Commission will be created in spades.
We will have a Commission that will re-examine not only what happened at 9/11 and post-9/11, but how -- re-examining all of the intelligence prior to 9/11 -- why the failure took place. And they'll subpoena anybody and everybody and they'll put them under oath, starting from the President of the United States on down. And if there's any perjury taking place or criminality is discovered, we'll prosecute them from the President on down to the fullest extent of the law. And if they go to jail, they go to jail.
At about the 80% point in the video http://innworldreport.net
Endorser of and proposed Commissioner of a New Investigation into 9/11 as described in the New York City Ballot Initiative 11/08: "Petition to Create a NYC Independent Commission with Subpoena Power to Conduct a Comprehensive and Fact-Driven Investigation of All Relevant Aspects of the Tragic Events of September 11, 2001 and Issue a Report.
WHEREAS, many New York City voters believe that there remain many unanswered questions critical to establishing the truth about all relevant events leading up to, during and subsequent to the tragic attacks occurring on September 11, 2001 (“9/11”), and
WHEREAS, no prior investigation by any New York City agency or any other governmental entity has resulted in the citizens being provided with those critical answers or information necessary to establish the truth about those tragic events, ...
An independent, temporary New York City commission (the “Commission”) is hereby created to conduct a comprehensive, factdriven investigation into the events that took place on 9/11, as well as to thoroughly examine related events before and after the attacks, including any activities attempting to hide, cover up, impede or obstruct any investigation into these 9/11 events, following wherever the facts may lead. The Commission shall publish one or more reports of their findings."
Senator Lincoln Chafee – U.S. Senator from Rhode Island 1999 - 2006. Served on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs, the Committee on Foreign Relations, and the Committee on Environment and Public Works. Currently a distinguished visiting fellow at Brown University's Watson Institute for International Studies.
Endorser of and proposed Commissioner of a New Investigation into 9/11 as described in the New York City Ballot Initiative 11/08: "Petition to Create a NYC Independent Commission with Subpoena Power to Conduct a Comprehensive and Fact-Driven Investigation of All Relevant Aspects of the Tragic Events of September 11, 2001 and Issue a Report.
WHEREAS, many New York City voters believe that there remain many unanswered questions critical to establishing the truth about all relevant events leading up to, during and subsequent to the tragic attacks occurring on September 11, 2001 (“9/11”), and
WHEREAS, no prior investigation by any New York City agency or any other governmental entity has resulted in the citizens being provided with those critical answers or information necessary to establish the truth about those tragic events, ...
An independent, temporary New York City commission (the “Commission”) is hereby created to conduct a comprehensive, factdriven investigation into the events that took place on 9/11, as well as to thoroughly examine related events before and after the attacks, including any activities attempting to hide, cover up, impede or obstruct any investigation into these 9/11 events, following wherever the facts may lead. The Commission shall publish one or more reports of their findings."
Barry Jennings was working for NYC Housing Authority on 911 and was tasked with going to WTC 7 to be part of the OEM response team.
Jennings reports MULTIPLE EXPLOSIONS & DEAD BODIES INSIDE WTC 7 BEFORE EITHER OF THE OTHER TWO TOWERS HAD FALLEN.
He says the OEM Emergency Bunker was ALREADY EMPTY after the first tower was hit!
He also says the lobby of WTC 7 was so blown up it was unrecognizable.
Also,
Watch the video at the bottom, and listen to William Rodriguez.
Explosions in the basement of one of the 2 main towers?
Hmm.
But i guess if it was a conspiracy SOMEONE would have spoken up about it by now, right?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
JFK assassination worked didnt it? Whats Bill Mahers view on building 7 fall?
Totally different. Maher's point was that it worked, under the Bush admin. Considering all of Bush's GIANT fuck ups, we're supposed to believe he and his admin pulled off the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world with their hands clean? I don't think so. There's tons of information discrediting the building 7 theory but many stubborn 9/11 conspiracy theorists won't hear it, they just cling to their argument. Fine with me.
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
Do you think once the Bush administration is out, people will start talking? I'm curious to see.
It COULD happen, but I doubt it. For one, they could have talked by now, why haven't they? Also, many of the people in the admin have already left, it's not the same exact people that were in 7 years ago.
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
Do you think once the Bush administration is out, people will start talking? I'm curious to see.
Even 10 years after JFK, people who started talking got shot in the head.
Even 20 years out some were dropping mysteriously.
Hell, three people were shot during the HSCA hearings alone. One who did testify (Antonio Veciana), one who was hours away from testifying (George de Mohrenschildt), and then of course Johnny Roselli, who testified once, but never returned to the stand.
On April 23, 1976, Roselli was called before the committee to testify about a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy.[1] Three months after his first round of testimony on the Kennedy assassination, the Committee wanted to recall Roselli. However, at this point, he had been missing since July 28. On August 3, Senator Howard Baker, a member of the new SSCIA, requested the FBI investigate Roselli's disappearance.[1]
On August 9, Roselli's decomposing body was found in a 55-gallon steel fuel drum floating in Dumfounding Bay near Miami, Florida. Roselli had been strangled and shot, and his legs were sawed off. Some believed that boss Trafficante ordered Roselli's death. According to this theory, Trafficante believed that Roselli had revealed too much about the Kennedy assassination and Castro murder plots during his Senate testimony, violating the strict Mafia code of omerta (silence.)[4]
ANYONE WANT TO TALK NOW?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Totally different. Maher's point was that it worked, under the Bush admin. Considering all of Bush's GIANT fuck ups, we're supposed to believe he and his admin pulled off the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world with their hands clean? I don't think so. There's tons of information discrediting the building 7 theory but many stubborn 9/11 conspiracy theorists won't hear it, they just cling to their argument. Fine with me.
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you have NO idea what you are talking about.
NONE.
[see, you're not the only one who can make unsubstantiated claims. :cool:]
If I opened it now would you not understand?
the guy is a brainwasher. but I'm glad guys like him are allowed to speak. in other countries he would be put in front a firing squad. nonetheless, he is an asshole who has fucked up many young innocent minds.
It's NOT what you are thinking.
He has mentioned it a only a few times on his radio show.
From what little he does talk about 2012, the jist i get is this:
Basicaly AJ does NOT believe 2012 has any real INHERENT apocalyptic nature.
He does understand that the Mayan's placed significance on the date as being a shift of ages.
However from what he has said, his intended focus is going to be on how the Elite and the NWO -- being big believers in the occult and the ancient mystery religions -- are likely to USE 2012 as a convenient excuse to bring the world under their control.
I'm not sure of ANY details, except for that. He briefly discussed one day, after a caller asked about 2012, how he thought they (elite) would likely use the event to do something like release a biological weapon and cause worldwide panic and destruction ... something like that.
Other than that basic info, i'm not really sure what the film is.
He just said he has had so many people ask him about 2012 that, after he finishes this JFK movie, he is devoting time to that. He has been working on both simultaneously, and the JFK movie is coming out later this year, and the 2012 early\mid 2009.
For anyone who doubts that the elite are in to the Occult, you would be wise to pick up a copy of AJ's film on Bohemian Grove.
It is 100% UNDENIABLE. He has the fucking video of these cooks reinacting these ancient sacrificial seremonies and shit.
It is FUCKED UP!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Exactly how much Alex Jones have you actualy bothered to watch or listen to?
Because something tells me you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.
The thing is EVERYTHING Alex Jones mentions, he has documents, news sources, or otherwise has evidence to validify his claims.
You, on the other hand, just talk a whole heap of unsubstantiated shit.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
prime example #1. he has you completely brainwashed I see. I have listened to his show and read many articles from his website. he takes things too far, much like you seem to do. you (and AJ) will believe any link or article you read, but ONLY when it fits your agenda.
The mentioned religions cover about everyone in the world, so a belief structure that is that large could very easily be used by the elite for their ends.
Find me something that Alex Jones has brought up, in print, radio, or video that is FACTUALY INVALID, and we will talk some more.
Until then, you are blowing smoke.
ANYTHING i have bothered to fact check that comes out of that mans mouth checks out true.
Example.
He said on his show that GM soy DNA has been found to migrate in to gut bacteria in the human stomach.
Some jerk in another thread called me a fearmonger and went on about how this was bullshit and show him some proof.
I type in "GMO DNA gut" on google and immediately come up with a research paper by the University of Newcastle which clearly states their research has found this to be true.
So.
Like i said, what he says is FACTUALY accurate.
If you wish to dispute the claim you have to then go to his source, in this case a University study and PROVE to me that the SOURCE is invalid.
Can you DISPROVE the study?
Can you find me anything that he has mentioned that is not backed by a source?
Please?
Thank you.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Check out the clip of Jesse the body Ventura on Opie and Anthony. Did one of you guys start this awesome blog btw? According to the author, Jesse the body schooled all these clowns in the studio, but don't be fooled again because he certainly did not. I heard the thing live in its entirety and it was hilarious on multiple levels..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Here is a whole goddamn list of people (some mentioned above), see?
Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army Reserve – Commander of Special Troops Battalion, 9th Theater Support Command. Former Chief of the Army’s Controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) Program, overseeing Army Intelligence and Security Command’s global controlled HUMINT efforts. A former member of the Able Danger data mining program that targeted Al Qaeda’s global structure. Awarded the Bronze Star for bravery. Fellow, Center for Advanced Defense Studies. 23-year military intelligence career.
Melvin A. Goodman, PhD – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974 - 1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of Government at Johns Hopkins University. Author and co-author of several books on international relations:
Coleen Rowley – Former Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel, FBI. 24-year FBI career. Agent Rowley was selected one of Time Magazine's three 2002 Persons of the Year for revealing FBI headquarters' efforts to "throw up roadblocks and undermine" FBI field investigations of Al Qaeda operatives in the four weeks prior to 9/11.
AND LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL POST. I ADDED MORE THERE. AS MUCH AS WOULD FIT
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Agent Wright's Lawsuit against the FBI, filed 5/9/02: "The FBI's conscious failure to undertake criminal investigations of suspected terrorists in the United States was further shown when managers from the FBI's headquarters (FBIHQ) Counterterrorism Division met with the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) in Chicago and admitted to SA Wright that no one at FBIHQ reviewed or attempted to link all the reports filed by the FBI field offices regarding terrorist activities in the United States. ...
Regrettably, the largest obstacles to SA Wright's criminal investigation efforts of the HAMAS enterprise in the United States were the management of the Chicago field office and the FBIHQ Counterterrorism Division in Washington, D.C. ...
SA Wright's successful investigation, codename Vulgar Betrayal, led to the June 9, 1998 seizure of $1.4 million of funds destined for terrorist activities. ... The seized funds were directly linked to Saudi businessman Yassin Kadi. On October 12, 2001, Yassin Kadi, aka Yassin al-Qadi, was designated by the U.S. Government as a financial supporter of Osama Bin Laden. According to a U.S. Government source, Kadi provided $3 million to Bin Laden and his al-Qaida organization." http://www.judicialwatch.org
Editor's note: Agent Wright was never called as a witness by the 9/11 Commission, nor is he mentioned in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks" nor the Commission's separate 155-page Monograph on Terrorist Financing:
Despite Agent Wright's highly visible and credible criticism of the FBI's handling of investigations of suspected terrorists prior to 9/11,
Despite the public controversy caused by the refusal of the FBI to provide his manuscript to the U.S. Congress' Joint Intelligence Committee Investigation of 9/11 (JICI),
Despite the fact that he was the only FBI agent to seize terrorist funds (over $1.4 million) from U.S.-based Middle Eastern terrorists using federal civil forfeiture statutes, prior to 9/11, and
Despite the fact that one of the people directly connected to the $1.4 million seized by Agent Wright was Yassin al-Qadi, aka Yassin Kadi, who on 10/12/01 was designated by Presidential Executive Order 13224 as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” and financial supporter of Osama bin Laden and had his financial assets frozen in the United States.
Yassin al-Qadi is also not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report and is only mentioned obliquely in one footnote in the Commission's separate 155-page Monograph on Terrorist Financing.
See also Special Agent Coleen Rowley.
ABC News Interview 12/9/02: "In a dramatic interview with ABCNEWS, FBI special agents and partners Robert Wright and John Vincent say they were called off criminal investigations of suspected terrorists tied to the deadly bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. U.S. officials say al Qaeda was responsible for the embassy attacks and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States.
"September the 11th is a direct result of the incompetence of the FBI's International Terrorism Unit. No doubt about that. Absolutely no doubt about that," Wright said. "You can't know the things I know and not go public." http://web.archive.org
Judicial Watch Press Release 9/11/02: "The FBI continues to illegally refuse the release of SA Wright’s 500 page manuscript, Fatal Betrayals of the Intelligence Mission, that SA Wright submitted for prepublication review in October 2001. In fact, the FBI refused to turn the manuscript over to Sen. Richard C. Shelby, Vice Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee, charged with investigating the FBI’s intelligence failures." http://www.judicialwatch.org
Editor's note: Agent Wright's lawsuit to allow publication of his book is ongoing. The current status can be found here: http://www.judicialwatch.org/wrightcase.shtml
Sibel D. Edmonds
Sibel D. Edmonds – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations, FBI.
Letter to 9/11 Commission 8/1/04 : "I find your report seriously flawed in its failure to address serious intelligence issues that I am aware of, which have been confirmed, and which as a witness to the commission, I made you aware of. Thus, I must assume that other serious issues that I am not aware of were in the same manner omitted from your report. These omissions cast doubt on the validity of your report and therefore on its conclusions and recommendations." http://www.com
Article 7/22/04: "My translations of the 9/11 intercepts included [terrorist] money laundering, detailed and date-specific information ... if they were to do real investigations, we would see several significant high-level criminal prosecutions in this country [the US] ... and believe me, they will do everything to cover this up." http://www.guardian.co.uk
Interview The Alex Jones Show 7/24/06:
Alex Jones: I'm asking you-- I mean, clearly, where does the evidence point on 9/11?
Sibel Edmonds: Well, that is the whole point, Alex. They are not letting out all the evidence. ...
Alex Jones: But even if they cut evidence out of reports, we have the clear evidence of Thermite in the buildings, we have clear evidence of C.I.A. insider trading, NORAD standing down, U.S. troops already massed in central Asia, Bush having the launch order two days before to attack Afghanistan. I mean, Sibel, when you put all that together-- I'm asking you personally-- where does all the evidence point?
Sibel Edmonds: The evidence points to a massive government cover-up. ...
Alex Jones: Sibel, what I'm asking you is, in your gut, do you think 9/11 to some extent is an inside job?
Sibel Edmonds: Well, again, as I am telling you, I'm trying to tell you is, I have all the evidence of cover-up. Now, who were the people behind this? And why? And how? We don't have a definite answer. As I said, we can come up with theories, we can come up with speculation, but they do not--I mean, in my opinion, they are not facts. But also what government has been giving us, again, I don't consider those a total--you know-- total truth or fact either.
Alex Jones: Would you be surprised?
Sibel Edmonds: No. I wouldn't.
Alex Jones: You wouldn't be surprised if elements or criminal elements or private contractors were involved in 9/11?
Sibel Edmonds: No, I wouldn't be surprised.
Alex Jones: So you wouldn't be surprised like many others, because of the evidence and the cover-up you've seen, if 9/11 was an inside job?
Sibel Edmonds: At this point, I'd have to say no, I wouldn't be surprised.
Alex Jones: Do you think the evidence is leaning towards that?
Sibel Edmonds: Well, again, considering the level of cover-up and the length at which they have gone to gag people and prevent information-- this information from coming out, I would say yes.
Bio: http://www.nswbc.org/nswbc_staff.htm
Bogdan Dzakovic
Bogdan Dzakovic – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer.
Video transcript 8/21/05 : Regarding the 9/11 Commission "The best I could say about it is they really botched the job by not really going into the real failures. … At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous." http://www.911report.com
Signatory of Petition to Release Information Pertaining to 9/11 10/5/06: "We, the undersigned, demand the immediate declassification and release of:
all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice. It has been alleged that this urgent and out-of-the-ordinary meeting was called to discuss the increasingly dire warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack within the U.S. ...
the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI), and
the CIA Inspector General’s report, CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks
The disastrous nature of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks warrant the release of all of this information so that the American public may learn what its government did or did not do to protect them. Had this nation been properly warned of the looming and imminent terrorist threat, life saving choices could have been made that day." http://www.petitiononline.com/july10
Bio: http://www.theaviationnation.com
Steve Elson
Steve Elson – Former Special Agent with the U.S. Navy, DEA and FAA. Specialist in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security. Twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare and nine years Federal service with the FAA and DEA. Retired Navy SEAL.
Article 8/3/04: "A former Navy SEAL and Drug Enforcement Administration rep in South America, Elson is not a timid man. "I'd give the commission a 'D' for investigating the FAA," he declares. ... "The commissioners knew a lot more than they included in the 9/11 report," he says. "They sold out." http://www.secure-skies.org
Signatory of Petition to Release Information Pertaining to 9/11 10/5/06: "We, the undersigned, demand the immediate declassification and release of:
all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice. It has been alleged that this urgent and out-of-the-ordinary meeting was called to discuss the increasingly dire warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack within the U.S. ...
the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI), and
the CIA Inspector General’s report, CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks
The disastrous nature of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks warrant the release of all of this information so that the American public may learn what its government did or did not do to protect them. Had this nation been properly warned of the looming and imminent terrorist threat, life saving choices could have been made that day." http://www.petitiononline.com/july10
Bio: http://www.nswbc.org/nswbc_staff.htm
Raymond A. Ciccolilli
Raymond A. Ciccolilli – Former U.S. Sky Marshal and Senior U.S. Customs Inspector. Retired from U.S. Customs and Border Protection after 33 years. Worked on almost every enforcement team within U.S. Customs.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"I am ashamed that I spent so many years defending the borders only to now know that we are now living the most corrupt time in all of U.S. history. I had some questions in my mind about all the circumstances involved in 9/11 but it wasn't until I watched this DVD did all the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. I guess, I, too, was living in denial. No one wants to believe this, but having witnessed two jet plane crashes in the past, and watching the Trade Center buildings collapse, I know that the facts do not add up.
After viewing several other documentaries on 9/11, I am now convinced these building were deliberately destroyed. Someone has to be held accountable." http://www.ae911truth.org
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 350 Architects and Engineers:
"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php
Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.
William G. Weaver, JD, PhD
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William G. Weaver, JD, PhD – Former U.S. Army Signals Intelligence officer. Currently Director of Academic Programs, Institute for Policy and Economic Development, University of Texas, El Paso, specializing in executive branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy. Author, co-author, and editor of several books on law and political theory, including: Presidential Secrecy and the Law (2007), New Perspectives on American Law: An Introduction to Private Law in Politics and Society (1997), Political Science and Feminism: Integration or Transformation? (1997), Pragmatism in Law and Society (1991).
Essay 9/5/06: Regarding the 9/11 Commission - "In their responsibility to report all the facts: They either refused to interview all relevant experts and witnesses, or, they censored the reports provided to them by those with direct and first-hand information. Both these acts were selective and intentional. Contrary to their pledge to establish accountability: They refused to hold anyone accountable and lamely justified it by saying, "We don’t want to point a finger at anyone." http://www.nswbc.org
Bio: http://academics.utep.edu/Default.aspx?tabid=21347
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Sgt. Chadwick Brooks and Sgt. William Lagasse – U.S. Pentagon Police Department (Pentagon Force Protection Agency) officers, who were on duty at or near the CITGO gas station on 9/11 and eyewitnesses to the approach of Flight 77 and its alleged impact at the Pentagon.
Interviewed by Craig Ranke in the PentaCon video documentary, filmed on 11/7/06:
Craig Ranke: Now how sure are you that the plane was to the north, coming from the north side of the Navy Annex--you're saying it was pretty much between the Navy Annex and Arlington cemetery. How certain are you of that?
Sgt. Lagasse: 100 percent, I'd bet my life on it. ...
Craig Ranke: Is there anything you told me that you think you might have just deduced?
Sgt. Lagasse: No, I mean, like I said the things that aren't up for grabs; the plane was there; went into the building.
Craig Ranke: The plane was far to the North side of the station. Did not pass over the station.
Sgt. Lagasse: Yeah, it's not like there was the shadow of a wingtip going over here. It was far enough out that I could see it because the one thing that made me realize what kind of plane it was; was being able to see both engines, you know, so it wasn't obscured at all. ...
Craig Ranke: Sgt. Brooks is going to draw for me on the image, where he saw the plane fly. ... [Sgt. Brooks draws a line on the aerial photo of the Pentagon area.]
Sgt. Lagasse: That's damn near perfect from what I saw. And we've never -- for the record we never talked to each other about this.
Sgt. Brooks: Yeah, for the record, we never -- we've never discussed it at all. ...
Craig Ranke: So you guys, neither of you guys have really talked about this with each other? Never in all these five years, and you both independently drew the flight path line pretty much exact.
Sgt. Lagasse: I know, I was -- the way this has been going -- who knew what he was going to put down there because he was in a different location. But it's right there, which makes me feel good about the way I remembered it.
Craig Ranke: So you're both pretty much 100% certain that that's what you remember the flight path being?
Sgt. Brooks: But from different locations, yes. http://thepentacon.com
Editor's note: Sgt. Brooks' and Sgt. Lagasse's eyewitness descriptions of the path taken by Flight 77 as it approached the Pentagon from north of the Naval Annex and CITGO gas station differ significantly from the official account, which claims Flight 77 approached the Pentagon from significantly further south. The officers' statements are corroborated by the statements of other eyewitnesses recorded in the PentaCon documentary.
This more northerly flight path is inconsistent with the swath of destruction inside the Pentagon, which runs from the southwest to northeast, as reported in the Pentagon Building Damage Report. The more northerly flight path is also inconsistent with downing the five light poles, which is attributed to Flight 77 in the official account.
Sgt. Brooks' and Sgt. Lagasse's eyewitness statements are further corroborated by the analysis of Flight 77's Flight Data Recorder performed by the group, Pilots for 911 Truth, whose members include the former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology, Lt. Col. Robert Bowman. See the association's one-hour video presentation and press release for more details.
Edward J. Costello
John M. Cole
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Mark Conrad, JD
Rosemary N. Dew
Bogdan Dzakovic
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Sibel D. Edmonds
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Steve Elson
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David Forbes
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Melvin A. Goodman
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Mark Graf
Gilbert M. Graham
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Diane Kleiman
Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski
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Lynne A. Larkin
David MacMichael, PhD
Raymond L. McGovern
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Theodore J. Pahle
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Behrooz Sarshar
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Brian F. Sullivan
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Larry J. Tortorich
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Jane A. Turner
John B. Vincent
Fred Whitehurst, JD, PhD
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Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report 9/13/04, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and law enforcement veterans: http://www.pogo.org/
"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the report and its recommendations. …
Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission’s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. …
The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations. ...
The Commission, with its incomplete report of "facts and circumstances", intentional avoidance of assigning accountability, and disregard for the knowledge, expertise and experience of those who actually do the job, has now set about pressuring our Congress and our nation to hastily implement all its recommendations. ...
We the undersigned, who have worked within various government agencies (FBI, CIA, FAA, DIA, Customs) responsible for national security and public safety, call upon you in Congress to include the voices of those with first-hand knowledge and expertise in the important issues at hand. We stand ready to do our part." http://www.pogo.org/
Edward J. Costello, Jr. – Former Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. Former Judge pro tem., Los Angeles, CAA.
John M. Cole – Former Intelligence Operations Specialist, in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division. In charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.18-year FBI career.
Mark Conrad, JD – Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations. Former Federal Sky Marshall. 27-year U.S. Customs career. Currently Associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents. Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University.
Rosemary N. Dew – Former Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence, FBI. Former member of The President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) and the Electronic Commerce/Cyber Crime Working Group. 13-year FBI career.
Bogdan Dzakovic – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. (See also individual statement above.)
Sibel D. Edmonds – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations, FBI. (See also individual statement above.)
Steve Elson – Former Special Agent with the U.S. Navy and the FAA. Specialist in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security. Twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare and nine years Federal service with the FAA and DEA. Retired Navy SEAL. (See also individual statement above.)
David Forbes – Former head of Thames Valley Police Fraud Squad, trained at New Scotland Yard. Over 30 years experience in law enforcement, commercial and industrial security-related risk management, and service sector business management. Currently Aviation, Logistics and Govt. Security Analyst, BoydForbes, Inc.
Melvin A. Goodman – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974 - 1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author and co-author of five books on international relations. (See also individual statement above.)
Mark Graf – Former Security Supervisor, Planner, and Derivative Classifier, Department of Energy. Former Chairman of the Rocky Flats (DOE) Physical Security Systems Working Group from 1990 through 1995.
Gilbert M. Graham – Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI. 24-year FBI career.
Diane Kleiman – Former Special Agent, US Customs.
Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran. (See also individual statement above.)
Lynne A. Larkin – Former CIA Operations Officer. Served in several CIA foreign stations and in the CIA's counter-intelligence center helping chair a multi-agency task force and seminars on coordinating intelligence among intelligence and crime prevention agencies.
David MacMichael, PhD – Former Senior Estimates Officer with special responsibility for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the CIA's National Intelligence Council. Former Captain, U.S. Marine Corps.
Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. (See also individual statement above.)
Theodore J. Pahle – Former Senior Intelligence Officer with the Defense Intelligence Agency. His 37-year intelligence career was exclusively as a HUMINT (Human Intelligence) operations officer with DIA, Office of Naval Intelligence and U.S. Army Intelligence. He is a Middle East and Latin American operations specialist. Today, he continues to support the HUMINT effort as a contract instructor.
Behrooz Sarshar – Retired Language Translation Specialist, performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan, FBI.
Brian F. Sullivan – Retired Special Agent and Risk Management Specialist, FAA. Retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police.
Commander Larry J. Tortorich, U.S. Navy (ret) – Former Deputy Program Manager for Logistics – Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. 24-year Navy career in the fields of aviation and counterterrorism. Two years as a federal employee with DHS/TSA in the fields of security and counterterrorism.
Jane A. Turner – Retired Special Agent, FBI. 24-year FBI career.
John B. Vincent – Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. 27-year FBI career.
Fred Whitehurst, JD, PhD – Retired Supervisory Special Agent / Laboratory Forensic Examiner, FBI. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.
Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and former U.S. Diplomat. Served 13 years on active duty with the U.S. Army and 16 years in the U.S. Army Reserves. She was a member of the International law team in Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada and served in Panama and Somalia. She joined the Foreign Service in 1987 and served as Deputy Chief of Mission of U.S. Embassies in Sierra Leone, Micronesia and Afghanistan. She helped reopen the US Embassy in Kabul in December, 2001. One of three U.S. State Department officials to publicly resign in direct protest of the invasion of Iraq in March, 2003. (See also individual statement above.)
Matthew J. Zipoli – Special Response Team (SRT) Officer, DOE. Vice President, Security Police Officer's Association, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
U.S. FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
Senator Max Cleland
Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1997 - 2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982 - 1996. Administrator of the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977 - 1981. Former Captain, U.S. Army. Awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries.
Article New York Times 10/26/03: "As each day goes by, we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before Sept. 11 than it has ever admitted." http://www.commondreams.org
Article Boston Globe 11/13/03: "If this decision stands [to limit access to White House documents], I, as a member of the [9/11] Commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the Commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised. . . . This is `The Gong Show'; this isn't protection of national security." http://www.
Article Salon 11/21/03: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "It is a national scandal." http://dir.salon.com
Resigned from the 9/11 Commission, 12/03, after having served on it for 12 months. Former Senator Bob Kerrey from Nebraska was selected to replace him. The 9/11 Commission Report was issued 7 months later.
Interview Democracy Now 3/23/04: "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up." http://www.democracynow.org
Bio: http://memory.loc.gov
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Senator Mike Gravel – Former U.S. Senator from Alaska 1969 - 1980. Currently, candidate for the Democratic nomination for the 2008 Presidential election. Most well known for entering over 4,000 page of the the Pentagon Papers into the U.S. Senate record, thus making public the secret official study that revealed the lies and manipulations of successive U.S. administrations that misled the country into the Vietnam War. (See also Daniel Ellsberg.) Also known for his successful one-man filibuster for five months in 1971 that forced the Nixon administration to cut a deal, effectively ending the draft (military conscription) in the United States. Former Member, Alaska House of Representatives 1962-1966, elected Speaker in 1965. Former Counter-Intelligence officer, U.S. Army. Founder, The Democracy Foundation. Author of Citizen Power: A People's Platform (1972), Pentagon Papers, In Four Volumes: The Defense Department History of United States Decisionmaking on Vietnam (1971), Jobs and More Jobs (1968). Contributing author to The Case for a Nuclear Moratorium (1974).
Video interview by Davis Fleetwood 7/23/07:
Question: 53% of the Americans in the New York Times / CBS [poll] think the government is lying to them about 9/11. Why is that question not asked at these debates?
Senator Gravel: I don't know. They don't want to ask it. And I pledge to the people who are concerned about that, that should I become President, we're going to have a new investigation.
Question: Do we know the whole truth about 9/11?
Senator Gravel: Hell, no! http://www.youtube.com
Video interview on INN World Report (New York) 2/15/08:
Lenny Charles: In New York, we have a ballot initiative coming forward. They're collecting signatures from New York citizens to have a new 9/11 investigation. And you've been asked to be a Commissioner if that investigation goes forward. What are your thoughts on that?
Senator Gravel: I have told the leaders of this organization, Les Jamison and Dr. Pepper, I would be honored to serve on that Commission. And I hope the citizens of New York pass this initiative. And I don't know if they'll be able to overcome the powers of the Federal government, but I tell you, if I become President of the United States, that Commission will be created in spades.
We will have a Commission that will re-examine not only what happened at 9/11 and post-9/11, but how -- re-examining all of the intelligence prior to 9/11 -- why the failure took place. And they'll subpoena anybody and everybody and they'll put them under oath, starting from the President of the United States on down. And if there's any perjury taking place or criminality is discovered, we'll prosecute them from the President on down to the fullest extent of the law. And if they go to jail, they go to jail.
At about the 80% point in the video http://innworldreport.net
Endorser of and proposed Commissioner of a New Investigation into 9/11 as described in the New York City Ballot Initiative 11/08: "Petition to Create a NYC Independent Commission with Subpoena Power to Conduct a Comprehensive and Fact-Driven Investigation of All Relevant Aspects of the Tragic Events of September 11, 2001 and Issue a Report.
WHEREAS, many New York City voters believe that there remain many unanswered questions critical to establishing the truth about all relevant events leading up to, during and subsequent to the tragic attacks occurring on September 11, 2001 (“9/11”), and
WHEREAS, no prior investigation by any New York City agency or any other governmental entity has resulted in the citizens being provided with those critical answers or information necessary to establish the truth about those tragic events, ...
An independent, temporary New York City commission (the “Commission”) is hereby created to conduct a comprehensive, factdriven investigation into the events that took place on 9/11, as well as to thoroughly examine related events before and after the attacks, including any activities attempting to hide, cover up, impede or obstruct any investigation into these 9/11 events, following wherever the facts may lead. The Commission shall publish one or more reports of their findings."
Presidential campaign website: http://www.gravel2008.us/
Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gravel
Senator Lincoln Chafee
Senator Lincoln Chafee – U.S. Senator from Rhode Island 1999 - 2006. Served on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs, the Committee on Foreign Relations, and the Committee on Environment and Public Works. Currently a distinguished visiting fellow at Brown University's Watson Institute for International Studies.
Endorser of and proposed Commissioner of a New Investigation into 9/11 as described in the New York City Ballot Initiative 11/08: "Petition to Create a NYC Independent Commission with Subpoena Power to Conduct a Comprehensive and Fact-Driven Investigation of All Relevant Aspects of the Tragic Events of September 11, 2001 and Issue a Report.
WHEREAS, many New York City voters believe that there remain many unanswered questions critical to establishing the truth about all relevant events leading up to, during and subsequent to the tragic attacks occurring on September 11, 2001 (“9/11”), and
WHEREAS, no prior investigation by any New York City agency or any other governmental entity has resulted in the citizens being provided with those critical answers or information necessary to establish the truth about those tragic events, ...
An independent, temporary New York City commission (the “Commission”) is hereby created to conduct a comprehensive, factdriven investigation into the events that took place on 9/11, as well as to thoroughly examine related events before and after the attacks, including any activities attempting to hide, cover up, impede or obstruct any investigation into these 9/11 events, following wherever the facts may lead. The Commission shall publish one or more reports of their findings."
Bio: http://bioguide.congress.gov
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Jennings reports MULTIPLE EXPLOSIONS & DEAD BODIES INSIDE WTC 7 BEFORE EITHER OF THE OTHER TWO TOWERS HAD FALLEN.
He says the OEM Emergency Bunker was ALREADY EMPTY after the first tower was hit!
He also says the lobby of WTC 7 was so blown up it was unrecognizable.
Also,
Watch the video at the bottom, and listen to William Rodriguez.
Explosions in the basement of one of the 2 main towers?
Hmm.
But i guess if it was a conspiracy SOMEONE would have spoken up about it by now, right?
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Good stuff.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Totally different. Maher's point was that it worked, under the Bush admin. Considering all of Bush's GIANT fuck ups, we're supposed to believe he and his admin pulled off the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world with their hands clean? I don't think so. There's tons of information discrediting the building 7 theory but many stubborn 9/11 conspiracy theorists won't hear it, they just cling to their argument. Fine with me.
It COULD happen, but I doubt it. For one, they could have talked by now, why haven't they? Also, many of the people in the admin have already left, it's not the same exact people that were in 7 years ago.
Even 10 years after JFK, people who started talking got shot in the head.
Even 20 years out some were dropping mysteriously.
Hell, three people were shot during the HSCA hearings alone. One who did testify (Antonio Veciana), one who was hours away from testifying (George de Mohrenschildt), and then of course Johnny Roselli, who testified once, but never returned to the stand.
ANYONE WANT TO TALK NOW?
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Love ya Punkinfur