Credible People Who Say 911 Was An Inside Job: CIA Agents, Foreign Presidents, Etc

DriftingByTheStorm

This post is intended to be a repository of names and information on people who have spoken out about 911 being an "inside job". People who are credible, have reputations that speak for themselves, and would be in a position to have a critical understanding of intelligence matters and therefore make reasoned statements about the events of 911.

[i probably won't have time to finish this in the next 20 minutes, so i'm gonna start with rough sketches]

* Raymond McGovern -- 27-year veteran of the CIA, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates during the seventies
Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report

Ray McGovern wrote:

“It has long been clear that the Bush-Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. But the present volume confronts us with evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited.If this is true, it is not merely the case, as the Downing Street memos show, that the stated reason for attacking Iraq was a lie. It is also the case that the whole “war on terror” was based on a prior deception. This book hence confronts the American people---indeed the people of the world as a whole---with an issue second to none in importance and urgency. I give this book, which in no way can be dismissed as the ravings of ‘paranoid conspiracy theorists,’ my highest possible recommendation.”

... this was a write up for 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott

*Robert Bayer - legendary 21 year veteran CIA officer who was the model for the main character in the movie, Syriana

From the \ wrote:

Robert Baer is another well known CIA veteran who has questioned the official account of 9/11. A 21-year CIA veteran and specialist in the Middle East, Baer was awarded the Career Intelligence Medal upon his retirement in 1997. After retirement, he wrote two best-selling non-fiction books about the CIA, See No Evil and Sleeping with the Devil, the former of which was the basis for the Academy Award-winning movie Syriana, starring George Clooney. Baer was also the writer and on-camera commentator for the Emmy Award-nominated documentary Cult of the Suicide Bomber.

Baer has repeatedly questioned whether al-Qaida could have accomplished 9/11 alone. The 9/11 Commission Report categorically found al-Qaida to be entirely responsible for 9/11, stating, "Similarly, we have seen no evidence that any foreign government -- or government official -- supplied any funding." However, this 9/11 Commission finding directly contradicts the earlier finding of the Joint House-Senate Select Intelligence Committee's 2002 Report[9] (p.415) of "sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers.”

In a 2002 essay[10] for The Guardian, Baer wrote, "Did bin Laden act alone, through his own al-Qaida network, in launching the attacks? About that I'm far more certain and emphatic: no." In subsequent interviews, Baer has suggested that support for the attacks could have come from Saudi Arabia and Iran.

In 2006, during an interview by Thom Hartmann[11], Baer, after commenting on the financial profits being made from 9/11, was asked: “What about political profit? There are those who suggest that ... someone in that chain of command ... had pretty good knowledge that 9/11 was going to happen -- and really didn't do much to stop it -- or even obstructed efforts to stop it because they thought it would lend legitimacy to Bush's ... failing presidency.” Baer replied: “Absolutely.” Hartmann then asked, “So you are personally of the opinion ... that there was an aspect of 'inside job' to 9/11 within the U.S. government?" To which Baer replied, "There is that possibility, the evidence points at it." When Hartmann continued, "And why is it not being investigated?” Baer replied, "Why isn't the WMD story being investigated? Why hasn't anybody been held accountable for 9/11? We held people accountable after Pearl Harbor. Why has there been no change in command? Why have there been no political repercussions? Why has there been no -- any sort of exposure on this? It really makes you wonder."

*There are FIVE more CIA officers outspoken about "911 Truth" in this article alone:Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report

*Bill "Christensen" - Former CIA Section Chief Europe, per Alex Jones, has called 911 an inside job. However, as of now i can not find a "Bill Christensen" on Google. This was an audio clip from Alex Jones. If anyone knows the spelling of this mans name or can give a link, that would be great. Thanks

*Bill Doyle - Representative of Largest 911 Families of Victims Group
here is info

FOREIGN LEADERS
*Andreas Von Bulow - 25 year member of German Parliament, over a half decade on their Intelligence Committee, 4 years of service as Secretary Of Defense, 2 as the Minister for Research and Technology, he has a PhD in Jurisprudence, and two books with relevance, In the Name of the State. CIA, BND and the criminal machinations of secret services, and The CIA and September 11
This is one of many videos on Youtube with Von Bulow declaring 911 an inside job

*Former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga -- Law professor, President of the Italian Senate, before he bacame President of Italy, the first president in italian history to win on the first ballot. Very popular!

article

from link, translated from Italian wrote:

"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."

*Hugo Chavez - President of Venezuela. What else can you say about this guy? Lol

Video of him explicitly calling 911 an inside job.


Don't forget patriotsquestion911.com ... PLENTY of people on there.

MORE PEOPLE:

Robert M. Bowman (born 1934) was a former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions. He holds a Ph.D. in Aeronautics from the California Institute of Technology.

Bowman is the founder and Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church, an "independent Catholic fellowship" created in 1996 and held to be connected through apostolic succession to the Old Catholic Church.[1] Additionally, he is Executive Director of Christian Support Ministries.[2] He also believes the US government was complicit in the September 11, 2001 attacks. [wikipedia]

Wiki on Bowman Quotes wrote:

Bowman holds the belief that the US government was complicit in the September 11, 2001 attacks. On September 11, 2004 in New York City, Bowman said "...the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It's impossible". [10] On the 2006 9/11 + The Neo-Con Agenda Symposium, he stated: "I'm an old interceptor pilot, I know the drill, I've done it. I know how long it takes, I know the rules... and... critics on the government story on 9/11 have said: "Well, they knew about this, and they did nothing". That's not true. If our government had done nothing that day, and let normal procedure be followed, those planes, wherever they were, would have been intercepted, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive."[11]

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Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Daniel Davis wrote:

"As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."

-source

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Current U.S. Congresswoman, former senior CIA analyst, former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter, former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism, and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer AS WELL AS Ralph Nader, Michael Badnarik, Howard Zinn, Paul Hawken, Richie Havens, along with Ed Asner and Janeane Garofalo
all signed this petition and jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11

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Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former combat fighter pilot. Aerospace engineer. Currently Captain at a major airline. Combat experience includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle and General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber. Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review. Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year Air Force career.

Col JEff Latas wrote:

After I did my own analysis of it, it's obvious that there's discrepancies between the two stories; between the 9/11 Commission and the flight data recorder information. And I think that's where we really need to focus a lot of our attention to get the help that we need in order to put pressure on government agencies to actually do a real investigation of 9/11. And not just from a security standpoint, but from even an aviation standpoint, like any accident investigation would actually help the aviators out by finding reasons for things happening. ...

The things that really got my attention were the amount of descent rate that you had to have at the end of the flight, of Flight 77, that would have made it practically impossible to hit the light poles. [Editor's note: Destruction of the light poles near the Pentagon by Flight 77 was stated in the 9/11 Commission Report.] Essentially it would have been too high at that point to the point of impact where the main body of the airplane was hitting between the first and second floor of the Pentagon. ...

You know, I'd ride my bike to the Pentagon. So, you know I'm a little bit familiar with that area. [Editor's note: Lt. Col. Latas served as a Weapons Requirement Officer at the Pentagon.] But, you know, that kind of descent rate it would have been impossible essentially for the results that we see physically from what the flight data recorder was recording. Like I say, that's an area that I think deserves explanation. ...

The ground track [the path of the airplane] is off from the 9/11 Commission. There are several things that can be brought up but it's been a while since I've seen the film and looked at the flight data recorder. And I can't think of all the discrepancies I saw, but there are several there. [The film he refers to is Pandora's Black Box, Chapter 2, Flight of American 77.] ...

And I think that we Americans need to demand further investigation just to clarify the discrepancies that you've [Pilots for 9/11 Truth] found. And I think that we need to be getting on the phone with our Congressmen and women and letting them know that we don't accept the excuses that we're hearing now, that we want true investigators to do a true investigation."

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Indifference

Its a bunch of kooks.

Nevermind

Osama Bin Laden is a CIA tactician. His code name is Tim Osman. Bin Laden's family lived right next to Cia headquarters until 9/11. Then they shipped them out on 9/11. It was the only plane to fly after the planes hit the building.

Nevermind

Indifference wrote:

Its a bunch of kooks.

Your a kook.

yoke

I will quote Bill Maher here.....


you know why our government had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept 11?

























Cuz it worked

Nevermind

yoke wrote:

I will quote Bill Maher here.....


you know why our government had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept 11?

Cuz it worked

JFK assassination worked didnt it? Whats Bill Mahers view on building 7 fall?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

yoke wrote:

I will quote Bill Maher here.....


you know why our government had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept 11?









Cuz it worked

i agree

Abookamongstthemany

yoke wrote:

I will quote Bill Maher here.....


you know why our government had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept 11?

























Cuz it worked

George Bush served two terms. If they can pull that off then this line of reasoning falls short. And like Driftin said what about JFK?

DriftingByTheStorm

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

George Bush served two terms. If they can pull that off then this line of reasoning falls short. And like Driftin said what about JFK?

Plus, though i like the guy, i think i'll take 7 distinguished CIA employees with multi-decade careers, and the heads of foreign intelligence services and ranking members of parliment and presidents of nations words of it over Bill Maher.

That's just my bent though.

El_Kabong

eva7 posted a good link w/ senior military, intelligence and government officials who question the official report


found it

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=225452

RolandTD20Kdrummer

yoke wrote:

I will quote Bill Maher here.....


you know why our government had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept 11?

























Cuz it worked

The US gov't public figures had to play ultra stupid and that definitely worked.

Mossad did the actual workings of it, while others looked away, or were unaware altogether.

hodge

american government is a crock of shit

even flow?

I think that all the 911 conspiracy nuts are nuts, BUT I think that the plane over Penn was shot down and that is the only thing the government is lying about.

MakingWaves

http://wtc.nist.gov/

Here are some credible people that don't think it was a conspiracy.

Kel Varnsen

The thing I never got about all these conspiracy thories is what is the motive for them. I mean people will probably say that the motive was money and power. But to pull something like that off, you are already going to be powerful and most of the people with that kind of power are already rich.

ledvedderman

Nevermind wrote:

Osama Bin Laden is a CIA tactician. His code name is Tim Osman. Bin Laden's family lived right next to Cia headquarters until 9/11. Then they shipped them out on 9/11. It was the only plane to fly after the planes hit the building.

Drifting and Roland...do you buy this shit?

DriftingByTheStorm

MakingWaves wrote:

http://wtc.nist.gov/

Here are some credible people that don't think it was a conspiracy.

ahahhahah!
i know you mean well, but hahahahahh!
NIST?

"Credible" would NOT be the word i would use to describe them. Lying sacks of shit, is one that comes to mind.

Watch around the 1 hour 7 minute mark and wait for the shit head to start speaking.
1:11:45 is the part you are looking for, specificaly. Watch from there to 1:14:00
Sound like a "credible" man or a lying sack of shit to you?

He denies a physical phenomenon documented by on site 1st responders, AND by NASA satellite thermal photographs.
Who do you think is lying, the good NYFD boys who are ALL in agreement, and the guy testifying before congress?
Or this piece of shit from NIST?


Hmm.

DriftingByTheStorm

ledvedderman wrote:

Drifting and Roland...do you buy this shit?

Want a "redacted" government document to PROVE it?
here

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Keep in mind the US Government were the ones responsible for militarizing the Taliban and arming them with weapons to fight the russians. The fact that they would be working closely with Osama, historicaly, is more of a documented fact than some conspiracy theory.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Bottom line is.... steel buildings do not go "whoosh" and fall down at the speed of gravity from fire.

Especially massive segments of the building that remain entirely unaffected altogether. Stand a bus upright on it's end, and drop a car on it. What do you think is going to happen? The car crushes the bus all the way down to the ground?

Not exactly. Not at all actually.

Newtons third law of motion.

That's all one needs to understand.

Kel Varnsen

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Especially massive segments of the building that remain entirely unaffected altogether. Stand a bus upright on it's end, and drop a car on it. What do you think is going to happen? The car crushes the bus all the way down to the ground?

Not exactly. Not at all actually.

Newtons third law of motion.

That's all one needs to understand.

Your analogy doesn't really work with respect to the third law, because there is also the law of conservation of momentum. In that law the mass of the two objects plays a huge role. I don't really think the relative difference in mass between a skyscraper and a plane is anywhere close to that of a bus and a car. Maybe if you said someone threw a rock at the bus that would be a closer analogy.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Your analogy doesn't really work with respect to the third law, because there is also the law of conservation of momentum. In that law the mass of the two objects plays a huge role. I don't really think the relative difference in mass between a skyscraper and a plane is anywhere close to that of a bus and a car. Maybe if you said someone threw a rock at the bus that would be a closer analogy.

Yes and what of the mass of the bottom portion of the buildings and the bus? Much larger, which is why they don;t crush completely when affected by a much smaller mass from above.

btw... I'm talking about the top portions completely crushing (at the speed of gravity mind you) the bottom portions all the way to the ground without stopping... not the airplanes hitting anything.

DriftingByTheStorm

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yes and what of the mass of the bottom portion of the buildings and the bus? Much larger, which is why they don;t crush completely when affected by a much smaller mass from above.

btw... I'm talking about the top portions completely crushing (at the speed of gravity mind you) the bottom portions all the way to the ground without stopping... not the airplanes hitting anything.

I think we should also talk about the 40 massive steel columns that just dissapeared throughout the length of the building, and have chemicaly induced angular cuts (which happen to mimic shaped charges used for demolition) right at their base.

Hmm.


But again, minus ANY physical evidence, why are numerous highly qualified CIA agents saying this was a CIA job?

Wouldn't they know best?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

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MakingWaves

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

ahahhahah!
i know you mean well, but hahahahahh!
NIST?

"Credible" would NOT be the word i would use to describe them. Lying sacks of shit, is one that comes to mind.

Watch around the 1 hour 7 minute mark and wait for the shit head to start speaking.
1:11:45 is the part you are looking for, specificaly. Watch from there to 1:14:00
Sound like a "credible" man or a lying sack of shit to you?

He denies a physical phenomenon documented by on site 1st responders, AND by NASA satellite thermal photographs.
Who do you think is lying, the good NYFD boys who are ALL in agreement, and the guy testifying before congress?
Or this piece of shit from NIST?


Hmm.

What proof do you have that your government workers are credible sources. Simply because they agree with your theory doesn't make them credible.
And you are going off of that one picture showing glowing steel..that in no way makes a pool of molten steel as the video refers to. Your gonna have to better then this since we've been over all that before.

But before any of you even respond I give up because no matter what proof anyone puts up they either had an agenda or can't be trusted or are just lying or you just refuse to acknowledge it. We've been over this stuff a hundred times and opinions will never change. I still say my side of the arguement is based on science and facts, see the popular mechanics article and i don't give a shit whose 7th cousins uncle wrote it, and your side is based on theories and assumptions.

Danimal

Oh knock it off.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

People still quote the popular mechanics article as proof to their argument?

omg...

Collin

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Plus, though i like the guy, i think i'll take 7 distinguished CIA employees with multi-decade careers, and the heads of foreign intelligence services and ranking members of parliment and presidents of nations words of it over Bill Maher.

That's just my bent though.

MPs and presidents? Are these the same people who want to enslave us through world government?

DriftingByTheStorm

MakingWaves wrote:

What proof do you have that your government workers are credible sources. Simply because they agree with your theory doesn't make them credible.
And you are going off of that one picture showing glowing steel..that in no way makes a pool of molten steel as the video refers to. Your gonna have to better then this since we've been over all that before.

How about the 3-5 fire fighters sitting at the table in that section of video i linked up there, where the one says, "There were big channels of molten metal." "like lava. It was like a foundry", and the other firefighter is sitting there nodding his head, and you hear a bunch of "yeps, yep!" off camera?

And Giuliani and that other guy testifying in front of congress about it.

Those don't count?

And again, what "evidence" do you have? Besides Popular Mechanics, which by the way ... have you heard the INTERVIEW with David Coburn, of Popular Mechanics?

I know you won't bother to listen to this, but the guy is so full of shit, it's not funny.

When asked about WTC 7, the guy says, "We were actualy shown pictures by the Government". When asked, "Why would they show it to you and not to the people directly accusing them of a cover up, and just shut us up about it?" He says, "Oh, well we are the Media." The interviewer then says, "Wait a minute. WE are the media. I am the media. That doesn't hold water. If they can prove its not true, and they've shown you, why don't they show us?"

Listen around the 11 minute mark.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?

Its a picture of a fucking building!
You can show it to a guy who works for Hearst Publishing, but not to the American public or ANY other media source?

HMM!
:(
NO ANSWER.
The interview is filled with this shit.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I think we should also talk about the 40 massive steel columns that just dissapeared throughout the length of the building, and have chemicaly induced angular cuts (which happen to mimic shaped charges used for demolition) right at their base.

Hmm.


But again, minus ANY physical evidence, why are numerous highly qualified CIA agents saying this was a CIA job?

Wouldn't they know best?

In order for the physics of the official 9/11 commission...popular mechanics etc official garbage to work the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory.

None of them dares approach how its TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for all this thick vertical steel to collapse in on itself at the speed of gravity.

Tensile strength is a bitch...

DriftingByTheStorm

Collin wrote:

MPs and presidents? Are these the same people who want to enslave us through world government?

You think CHAVEZ wants world government?

I also don't think the FORMER preisdent of Italy or a member of the parliament of Germany who is writing ANTI-CIA books are IN on the "conspiracy".

Jesus christ.
You people have ZERO ability to discern what is what in this world.

Where have i ever fucking said that EVERY single goddamn politician in the world wants a world government?

Obviously NOT! I support Ron Paul with all my heart.
You have to be able to look at shit objectively and figure out who is full of shit and who is telling the truth, based on circumstances, evidence, and once again, circumstances.

A guy who has spent multiple years in INTELLIGENCE in the German government, and who writes books like "CIA an September 11th", probably NOT in on a world government plot.

???
:rolleyes:

You people are ridiculous.
Who is the one speculating wildly, dodging questions, making one line responses, and totaly avoiding issues?

CERTAINLY NOT ME!

DriftingByTheStorm

MakingWaves wrote:

What proof do you have that your government workers are credible sources. Simply because they agree with your theory doesn't make them credible.

No.
But in the case of Von Bulow and Cossiga (the German ranking parliament member and intelligence secretary, and the former italian president), those guys both were involved in OUTING INTELLIGENCE CORRUPTION AND CONSPIRACY!

That makes them pretty credible in my book.
Any politician that is willing to go against their OWN intelligence services and call them out on being invovled in SHADY SUBVERSIVE BULLSHIT gets a LOT of credit in my book.

As far as the CIA agents, well the fact that they are willing to even come on record and talk about this in a SENSIBLE manner, using evidence and circumstance togetehr to draw conclusions based on best guess, instead of just saying, "yeah everything the government says is true. who needs facts!" ... that holds weight to me. Also their careers are pretty goddamn distinguished.

So???