Hey, here is the audio of that piece of shit, Coburn, of popular mechanics, the guy who in that audio interview i posted promises to get back to us with the information on how the government possibly had DNA to even compare with that allegedly found at WTC to implicate these terrorists ...
think about it people, HOW did the government get DNA of terrorists to even know what their DNA was? a simple question
People are never going to get anywhere with these statements. Whether they are true or not, there is never going to be any way for someone to discuss this without drawing the critical eye of a majority of people because of the sensitivity of the subject matter.
Personally, I think that the Bush administration is personally responsible for what happened on 9/11, but for very different reasons.
In order for the physics of the official 9/11 commission...popular mechanics etc official garbage to work the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory.
None of them dares approach how its TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for all this thick vertical steel to collapse in on itself at the speed of gravity.
Tensile strength is a bitch...
What you are saying simply isn't true. It sounds good but this crap about "the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory" just isn't true. http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf
And say all you want about the Popular Mechanics article, it is backed up with science and engineering. Just saying OMG people still believe this doesn't change anything.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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What you are saying simply isn't true. It sounds good but this crap about "the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory" just isn't true. http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf
And say all you want about the Popular Mechanics article, it is backed up with science and engineering. Just saying OMG people still believe this doesn't change anything.
You are serioulsy wacked if you even think for a minute our government had anything to do with 9/11. If you don't like America, why don't you move to Canada, aye..
You are serioulsy wacked if you even think for a minute our government had anything to do with 9/11. If you don't like America, why don't you move to Canada, aye..
That's the most ridiculous thing you could possibly say to someone. Did it ever occur to you that maybe they bring this up because they love america so much that they feel they've been betrayed by the people meant to protect them most?
Hell, I feel betrayed by the actions of the govt. because of 9/11 and I don't even believe they participated in it!
Read that report i posted a link to..but i would guess the giant buildings around it falling down had something to do with it. I mean if it was a conspiracy don't you think blowing up the two towers would be enough..why even screw with the WTC 7 building. Give me a freaking break.
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Read that report i posted a link to..but i would guess the giant buildings around it falling down had something to do with it. I mean if it was a conspiracy don't you think blowing up the two towers would be enough..why even screw with the WTC 7 building. Give me a freaking break.
What about the buildings right next to the 2 towers. They didnt fall and they're much closer than building 7 is.
What you are saying simply isn't true. It sounds good but this crap about "the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory" just isn't true. http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf
And say all you want about the Popular Mechanics article, it is backed up with science and engineering. Just saying OMG people still believe this doesn't change anything.
Oh...ok if you could point out to me, or in fact quote the section where it explains specifically how the tensile strength of the steel all the way down the building was compromised instantaneously at teh speed of gravity that would be really fantastic.
please do thanks...
I'll be waiting...(for a very very long time)
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Read that report i posted a link to..but i would guess the giant buildings around it falling down had something to do with it. I mean if it was a conspiracy don't you think blowing up the two towers would be enough..why even screw with the WTC 7 building. Give me a freaking break.
That ridiculous overused explanation is more of a stretch than explosives.
Face it, something is very very wrong when basic physics and the laws of science are applied.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
That ridiculous overused explanation is more of a stretch than explosives.
Face it, something is very very wrong when basic physics and the laws of science are applied.
Not to mention, i'm pretty sure the report she is citing is the NIST report on WTC7, yes?
Isn't that the report that actualy says their best guest hypothesis as to what caused the collapse only had a "miniscule" chance of occuring,
and isn't it the same report that concludes, to the effect of, "at this time the exact cause of the collapse of WTC 7 remains unknown"?
Cause if it is, that is one hell of a report to quote as proof that the government wasn't involved.
:cool:
Also, as to why they may have wanted to take that down,
well one, if it had already been rigged to go, that may have been a good reason. Cause it had bombs all up in it.
Two, any idea how many government agencies had regional headquarters there? FBI, Secret Service, SEC, there was a NYC Emergency\FEMA bunker that Giuliani himself evacuated ...
I mean ... can you say Command & Control Center, and "evidence"?
Just a thought.
Anyhow.
What about your two little friends, whomever brought up Popular Mechanics, and the guy who mentions NIST, what about the links i posted with video\audio of them making absolutely inexusably stupid\erroneous\misleading\BS statements?
ANY ANSWER TO THAT?
:cool:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Two, any idea how many government agencies had regional headquarters there? FBI, Secret Service, SEC, there was a NYC Emergency\FEMA bunker that Giuliani himself evacuated ...
I mean ... can you say Command & Control Center, and "evidence"?
Just a thought.
Anyhow.
What about your two little friends, whomever brought up Popular Mechanics, and the guy who mentions NIST, what about the links i posted with video\audio of them making absolutely inexusably stupid\erroneous\misleading\BS statements?
ANY ANSWER TO THAT?
:cool:
Yeah...considering the utmost importance of those organizations, and oopsie...f-king whoosh down comes the building in a 100% perfectly uniform collapse with nowhere near uniform damage.
Maybe they should of used the Oklahoma http://911review.com/precedent/decade/imgs/murrahbldg.jpg building, instead of those flimsy little pixie stix paper mache steel and concrete buildings in Manhattan. That thing got the sh-t blown out of it...no collapse... Surely the rest should have come down with the rest of it. Oklahoma surely must have better laws of physics.
....gee I wonder if that's why they make them out of steel in the first place??
hmmm...haww....uhhhh...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Osama Bin Laden is a CIA tactician. His code name is Tim Osman. Bin Laden's family lived right next to Cia headquarters until 9/11. Then they shipped them out on 9/11. It was the only plane to fly after the planes hit the building.
Want a "redacted" government document to PROVE it? here
:(
Keep in mind the US Government were the ones responsible for militarizing the Taliban and arming them with weapons to fight the russians. The fact that they would be working closely with Osama, historicaly, is more of a documented fact than some conspiracy theory.
I wish just ONCE.
Just ONCE the people who stepped up to threads like this and threw themselves around calling people fools, asking if they "buy this shit", etc etc would EVER come back after a decent response was put up and say,
"you know what, i DID NOT KNOW THAT. That is some INTERESTING STUFF! WOW! You know you could be right. You COULD be right."
Not, you ARE right, its a conspiracy.
Just, you know, i thought i knew a lot more than i really did, but the reality is I was the one making blanket assumptions, I'm really sorry to insult you like that, because, goshdarnit, I just failed to do any research on it at all, and i assumed too much.
But no.
They just fade out of the thread.
And enter the next round of people throwing insults at you for having half a brain and trying to use it.
-1 for the "anti-conspiracy nuts"
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
And BTW all those organizations in #7 should all have offside backups of their entire information systems, so next to ZERO data would be lost. Minimal.
Even a lot of mom and pop businesses adhere to this practice in case of fire theft etc.. I used to have to deposit a full rotation of system backup tapes in a safety deposit box monthly.
Was this the case? Surely top tier organizations such as those follow and adhere to strict disaster reovery principles to accommodate for situations EXACTLY like this.
I'm under the belief that a lot of critical data was lost in the collapse
So...um... why exactly?
Seriously though...that situation alone would essentially be a smoking gun.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm under the belief that a lot of critical data was lost in the collapse
So...um... why exactly?
Seriously though...that situation alone would essentially be a smoking gun.
There were hard copy documents in the Securities & Exchange Commission office. I know specificaly there were documents on the Enron investigation, among multiple other big business fraud cases. From what I have read several of these investigations "went away" after WTC7 collapsed.
So there is something interesting for ya.
But again, this is all piddly-dink side-stage shenanigans compared to all the other things that just don't add up.
Of course, YOU knew all that.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
George Bush served two terms. If they can pull that off then this line of reasoning falls short. And like Driftin said what about JFK?
The Bush administration had nothing to do with JFK. Let's stay on topic and answer the questions at hand.
What was the motive for a 9/11 inside job? Can anyone explain this? Was it to invade Iraq? If so, why not plant WMD's? I mean, seriously think about it, the logic is so flawed, it's absolutely ridiculous. The most inept president of our lifetime is somehow able to pull off the biggest coverup the planet has ever seen with 9/11, then not be able to plant a few WMD's to complete the job?
And you're comparing winning 2 close elections to a 9/11 inside job? It's easy to cheat the voting machines. Ask Diebold. I or anyone with a background in databases could easily do this. The two are not comparable at any level of the imagination.
The Bush administration had nothing to do with JFK. Let's stay on topic and answer the questions at hand.
I didn't say it did. The comparison was things the gov't or people with the power can pull off. If they can take democracy from us...it isn't a stretch to think they couldn't pull off other things like taking out a president in broad day light or 9/11. Why do you think it isn't possible?
What was the motive for a 9/11 inside job? Can anyone explain this? Was it to invade Iraq? If so, why not plant WMD's? I mean, seriously think about it, the logic is so flawed, it's absolutely ridiculous. The most inept president of our lifetime is somehow able to pull off the biggest coverup the planet has ever seen with 9/11, then not be able to plant a few WMD's to complete the job?
To control the population by fear and erode our rights without substantial protest.
And you're comparing winning 2 close elections to a 9/11 inside job? It's easy to cheat the voting machines. Ask Diebold. I or anyone with a background in databases could easily do this. The two are not comparable at any level of the imagination.
Yes, but that is not the point. The point is in going to the extent of making these plans, carrying them out across the nation, covering it up and keeping everyone quiet about it.... not to mention discrediting any dissent immediately as 'crazy' and then the masses echo that line right on cue. That's the comparison. Saying that the gov't is too dumb to pull off these things is ridiculous. Because history has shown just how calculating and manipulating gov't has been towards it own people in order to gain power. To think that the gov't is filled with some dumb fucks who just happened to fall into these powerful positions is doing yourself a disservice and ignoring mountains of history to the contrary.
There might be good arguments on both sides of this but the 'stupid gov't' excuse falls short.
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9/11 and the JFK assassination have become diversions. It doesn't matter how they happened, we need to deal with what has happened as a result of these events. anything else is a waste of resources and time.
9/11 and the JFK assassination have become diversions. It doesn't matter how they happened, we need to deal with what has happened as a result of these events. anything else is a waste of resources and time.
I can agree with that. I don't spend time on these things other than to bring up points here because it's not going to change anything. I don't mind a good debate but I detach myself from thinking this will ever be solved or anyone will be brought to justice for it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I didn't say it did. The comparison was things the gov't or people with the power can pull off. If they can take democracy from us...it isn't a stretch to think they couldn't pull off other things like taking out a president in broad day light or 9/11. Why do you think it isn't possible?
It's possible, but not with the current administration. They've fucked up everything they've touched, started an unncesseary war that will inevitably go down as the greatest foreign policy blunder in history, yet they could somehow manage to pull off 9/11 and not plant the WMD's. It's illogicial at best.
You didn't answer 2 questions. What was the motive? Why not plant WMD's?
Yes, but that is not the point. The point is in going to the extent of making these plans, carrying them out across the nation, covering it up and keeping everyone quiet about it.... not to mention discrediting any dissent immediately as 'crazy' and then the masses echo that line right on cue. That's the comparison. Saying that the gov't is too dumb to pull off these things is ridiculous. Because history has shown just how calculating and manipulating gov't has been towards it own people in order to gain power. To think that the gov't is filled with some dumb fucks who just happened to fall into these powerful positions is doing yourself a disservice and ignoring mountains of history to the contrary.
There might be good arguments on both sides of this but the 'stupid gov't' excuse falls short.
That is the point. It is 100% the point. I don't mean gov't in general, but this administration specifically. Think of all that Bush and co has fucked up and mismanaged during their 8 years, and please tell me why you think they were somehow able to pull off 9/11, but not follow through with simply planting WMDs. Please think this over.
It is a diversion for the most part, however hack at the branches and they grow back...strike at the root and the tree falls.
Another way to look at it is long shot pay off the most handsomely, and never forget.
If the pressure doesn't not subside, something will eventually give. Even if that means proof enough, even if only in the minds of the people and not on paper.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It is a diversion for the most part, however hack at the branches and they grow back...strike at the root and the tree falls.
Another way to look at it is long shot pay off the most handsomely, and never forget.
If the pressure doesn't not subside, something will eventually give. Even if that means proof enough, even if only in the minds of the people and not on paper.
Your answer is a diversion.
Please, will someone that believes 9/11 was an inside job, answer me 2 questions:
Please, will someone that believes 9/11 was an inside job, answer me 2 questions:
1 - What was the motive?
2 - Why not plant WMD's?
Do you have any idea how much power was consolidated post 9/11? the feds basically erased the bill of rights and the constitution in the name of security. and they are continuing the process...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It's possible, but not with the current administration. They've fucked up everything they've touched, started an unncesseary war that will inevitably go down as the greatest foreign policy blunder in history, yet they could somehow manage to pull off 9/11 and not plant the WMD's. It's illogicial at best.
I think could very well be a brilliant approach to have the public believe this admin is simply 'feeble' and 'incapable'. They have, afterall, accomplished everything they set out to do. Keeping this war a fiasco and neverending mess keeps us over there indefinitely. Which in turns keeps the funding pouring in for the war machine, defense contractors and profiteers. How have they not gotten what they set out to do?
You didn't answer 2 questions. What was the motive? Why not plant WMD's?
yes I did. it's right there in my last reply.
To control the population by fear so we would go along with their plans of war and occupation and with a nation gripped by fear and panic, they would be able to easily erode our rights without substantial protest.
That is the point. It is 100% the point. I don't mean gov't in general, but this administration specifically. Think of all that Bush and co has fucked up and mismanaged during their 8 years, and please tell me why you think they were somehow able to pull off 9/11, but not follow through with simply planting WMDs. Please think this over.
Simply planting WMDs somewhere would not shock the people into the state of panic and fear they would need to pass the patriot act and go to war indefinitely. They didn't have to bother with planting WMDs, by then it was too late to anyway...they were in and Iraq was bombed to bits so we have to stay to fix it. Also, I personally, think it would have been harder to plant WMDs in an enemy country than to fly planes into buildings here where they control everything.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Do you have any idea how much power was consolidated post 9/11? the feds basically erased the bill of rights and the constitution in the name of security. and they are continuing the process...
I realize that, but you didn't answer my questions.
I didn't ask questions about WTC 7. There have been hundreds of threads started about this topic with info about WTC 7. There's plenty of resources pointing out the inconsistencies and whatnot, but nothing talks of a specific motive and why not WMDs were planted.
I didn't ask questions about WTC 7. There have been hundreds of threads started about this topic with info about WTC 7. There's plenty of resources pointing out the inconsistencies and whatnot, but nothing talks of a specific motive and why not WMDs were planted.
Just read it. The link is about insider trading on certain stocks right before 9/11
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think about it people, HOW did the government get DNA of terrorists to even know what their DNA was?
a simple question
NO ANSWER, HUH?
What a piece of shit.
oh. BTW, if you WERE looking for an answer, the ONLY way they could have it, was because many of those "terrorists" were TRAINED AT US MILITARY BASES in the 1990s. HMMM.
WTF? Newsweek Reports: 3 Terrorists TRAINED AT US MILITARY BASES
How the FUCK do you explain that?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Personally, I think that the Bush administration is personally responsible for what happened on 9/11, but for very different reasons.
What you are saying simply isn't true. It sounds good but this crap about "the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory" just isn't true. http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf
And say all you want about the Popular Mechanics article, it is backed up with science and engineering. Just saying OMG people still believe this doesn't change anything.
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You are serioulsy wacked if you even think for a minute our government had anything to do with 9/11. If you don't like America, why don't you move to Canada, aye..
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That's the most ridiculous thing you could possibly say to someone. Did it ever occur to you that maybe they bring this up because they love america so much that they feel they've been betrayed by the people meant to protect them most?
Hell, I feel betrayed by the actions of the govt. because of 9/11 and I don't even believe they participated in it!
Read that report i posted a link to..but i would guess the giant buildings around it falling down had something to do with it. I mean if it was a conspiracy don't you think blowing up the two towers would be enough..why even screw with the WTC 7 building. Give me a freaking break.
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Oh...ok if you could point out to me, or in fact quote the section where it explains specifically how the tensile strength of the steel all the way down the building was compromised instantaneously at teh speed of gravity that would be really fantastic.
please do thanks...
I'll be waiting...(for a very very long time)
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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That ridiculous overused explanation is more of a stretch than explosives.
Face it, something is very very wrong when basic physics and the laws of science are applied.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Not to mention, i'm pretty sure the report she is citing is the NIST report on WTC7, yes?
Isn't that the report that actualy says their best guest hypothesis as to what caused the collapse only had a "miniscule" chance of occuring,
and isn't it the same report that concludes, to the effect of, "at this time the exact cause of the collapse of WTC 7 remains unknown"?
Cause if it is, that is one hell of a report to quote as proof that the government wasn't involved.
:cool:
Also, as to why they may have wanted to take that down,
well one, if it had already been rigged to go, that may have been a good reason. Cause it had bombs all up in it.
Two, any idea how many government agencies had regional headquarters there? FBI, Secret Service, SEC, there was a NYC Emergency\FEMA bunker that Giuliani himself evacuated ...
I mean ... can you say Command & Control Center, and "evidence"?
Just a thought.
Anyhow.
What about your two little friends, whomever brought up Popular Mechanics, and the guy who mentions NIST, what about the links i posted with video\audio of them making absolutely inexusably stupid\erroneous\misleading\BS statements?
ANY ANSWER TO THAT?
:cool:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Yeah...considering the utmost importance of those organizations, and oopsie...f-king whoosh down comes the building in a 100% perfectly uniform collapse with nowhere near uniform damage.
Maybe they should of used the Oklahoma http://911review.com/precedent/decade/imgs/murrahbldg.jpg building, instead of those flimsy little pixie stix paper mache steel and concrete buildings in Manhattan. That thing got the sh-t blown out of it...no collapse... Surely the rest should have come down with the rest of it. Oklahoma surely must have better laws of physics.
hmm ....maybe...just maybe... steel buildings probably don't collapse from isolated damage?
....gee I wonder if that's why they make them out of steel in the first place??
hmmm...haww....uhhhh...
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I wish just ONCE.
Just ONCE the people who stepped up to threads like this and threw themselves around calling people fools, asking if they "buy this shit", etc etc would EVER come back after a decent response was put up and say,
"you know what, i DID NOT KNOW THAT. That is some INTERESTING STUFF! WOW! You know you could be right. You COULD be right."
Not, you ARE right, its a conspiracy.
Just, you know, i thought i knew a lot more than i really did, but the reality is I was the one making blanket assumptions, I'm really sorry to insult you like that, because, goshdarnit, I just failed to do any research on it at all, and i assumed too much.
But no.
They just fade out of the thread.
And enter the next round of people throwing insults at you for having half a brain and trying to use it.
-1 for the "anti-conspiracy nuts"
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Even a lot of mom and pop businesses adhere to this practice in case of fire theft etc.. I used to have to deposit a full rotation of system backup tapes in a safety deposit box monthly.
Was this the case? Surely top tier organizations such as those follow and adhere to strict disaster reovery principles to accommodate for situations EXACTLY like this.
I'm under the belief that a lot of critical data was lost in the collapse
So...um... why exactly?
Seriously though...that situation alone would essentially be a smoking gun.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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There were hard copy documents in the Securities & Exchange Commission office. I know specificaly there were documents on the Enron investigation, among multiple other big business fraud cases. From what I have read several of these investigations "went away" after WTC7 collapsed.
So there is something interesting for ya.
But again, this is all piddly-dink side-stage shenanigans compared to all the other things that just don't add up.
Of course, YOU knew all that.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
The Bush administration had nothing to do with JFK. Let's stay on topic and answer the questions at hand.
What was the motive for a 9/11 inside job? Can anyone explain this? Was it to invade Iraq? If so, why not plant WMD's? I mean, seriously think about it, the logic is so flawed, it's absolutely ridiculous. The most inept president of our lifetime is somehow able to pull off the biggest coverup the planet has ever seen with 9/11, then not be able to plant a few WMD's to complete the job?
And you're comparing winning 2 close elections to a 9/11 inside job? It's easy to cheat the voting machines. Ask Diebold. I or anyone with a background in databases could easily do this. The two are not comparable at any level of the imagination.
I didn't say it did. The comparison was things the gov't or people with the power can pull off. If they can take democracy from us...it isn't a stretch to think they couldn't pull off other things like taking out a president in broad day light or 9/11. Why do you think it isn't possible?
To control the population by fear and erode our rights without substantial protest.
Yes, but that is not the point. The point is in going to the extent of making these plans, carrying them out across the nation, covering it up and keeping everyone quiet about it.... not to mention discrediting any dissent immediately as 'crazy' and then the masses echo that line right on cue. That's the comparison. Saying that the gov't is too dumb to pull off these things is ridiculous. Because history has shown just how calculating and manipulating gov't has been towards it own people in order to gain power. To think that the gov't is filled with some dumb fucks who just happened to fall into these powerful positions is doing yourself a disservice and ignoring mountains of history to the contrary.
There might be good arguments on both sides of this but the 'stupid gov't' excuse falls short.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I can agree with that. I don't spend time on these things other than to bring up points here because it's not going to change anything. I don't mind a good debate but I detach myself from thinking this will ever be solved or anyone will be brought to justice for it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
It's possible, but not with the current administration. They've fucked up everything they've touched, started an unncesseary war that will inevitably go down as the greatest foreign policy blunder in history, yet they could somehow manage to pull off 9/11 and not plant the WMD's. It's illogicial at best.
You didn't answer 2 questions. What was the motive? Why not plant WMD's?
That is the point. It is 100% the point. I don't mean gov't in general, but this administration specifically. Think of all that Bush and co has fucked up and mismanaged during their 8 years, and please tell me why you think they were somehow able to pull off 9/11, but not follow through with simply planting WMDs. Please think this over.
Another way to look at it is long shot pay off the most handsomely, and never forget.
If the pressure doesn't not subside, something will eventually give. Even if that means proof enough, even if only in the minds of the people and not on paper.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Your answer is a diversion.
Please, will someone that believes 9/11 was an inside job, answer me 2 questions:
1 - What was the motive?
2 - Why not plant WMD's?
Do you have any idea how much power was consolidated post 9/11? the feds basically erased the bill of rights and the constitution in the name of security. and they are continuing the process...
grammatically incorrect perhaps...but
wtf?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I think could very well be a brilliant approach to have the public believe this admin is simply 'feeble' and 'incapable'. They have, afterall, accomplished everything they set out to do. Keeping this war a fiasco and neverending mess keeps us over there indefinitely. Which in turns keeps the funding pouring in for the war machine, defense contractors and profiteers. How have they not gotten what they set out to do?
yes I did. it's right there in my last reply.
To control the population by fear so we would go along with their plans of war and occupation and with a nation gripped by fear and panic, they would be able to easily erode our rights without substantial protest.
Simply planting WMDs somewhere would not shock the people into the state of panic and fear they would need to pass the patriot act and go to war indefinitely. They didn't have to bother with planting WMDs, by then it was too late to anyway...they were in and Iraq was bombed to bits so we have to stay to fix it. Also, I personally, think it would have been harder to plant WMDs in an enemy country than to fly planes into buildings here where they control everything.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Just read it.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
My point was you didn't answer the questions.
I realize that, but you didn't answer my questions.
I didn't ask questions about WTC 7. There have been hundreds of threads started about this topic with info about WTC 7. There's plenty of resources pointing out the inconsistencies and whatnot, but nothing talks of a specific motive and why not WMDs were planted.
Just read it. The link is about insider trading on certain stocks right before 9/11
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde