way to throw that relevant argument up for dissection.
got anything else to say?
The bottom line is, EVERY ARGUMENT IN THE WORLD has "credible people" to back it up. Does not make it true. I suppose there aren't any credible people who have said 9/11 was Al-Qaeda right? Why does one side of the government only need "credible people" to back it up and not the other?
That's the 9/11 conspiracies for you in a nutshell - all based on ifs and buts, always have been always will be.
And I suppose 7/7 was MI6...
A restaurant with a smoking section is like a swimming pool with a pissing section
I wish i could post the We Are Change:UK confrontation with Peter Power, but it has been pulled off Youtube. I have an email in asking them what is going on.
You must really believe in some very strange coincidences to think that this is just happenstance.
All the countries in the world, all the days of the year, all the years, all the places ... this guy runs a drill in two tube stations at the same damn time as real bombs.
Hell, i'd almost belive it, except for the very fact that the We Are Change kids approached and asked him some "innocent" questions about it and he literally "ran" away ... like a fraidy cat.
I mean, if you have nothing to hide, don't you just stick around for 2 minutes to address the allegations and make them look like idiots? Do you really grab your briefcase, start looking all paranoid, and then walk away fast and not even speaking as you are asked questions?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I wish i could post the We Are Change:UK confrontation with Peter Power, but it has been pulled off Youtube. I have an email in asking them what is going on.
You must really believe in some very strange coincidences to think that this is just happenstance.
All the countries in the world, all the days of the year, all the years, all the places ... this guy runs a drill in two tube stations at the same damn time as real bombs.
Hell, i'd almost belive it, except for the very fact that the We Are Change kids approached and asked him some "innocent" questions about it and he literally "ran" away ... like a fraidy cat.
I mean, if you have nothing to hide, don't you just stick around for 2 minutes to address the allegations and make them look like idiots? Do you really grab your briefcase, start looking all paranoid, and then walk away fast and not even speaking as you are asked questions?
So basically , Al-Qaeda doesn't exist and the only people who can do wrong have white or black skin and are none-Muslim. Ace.
A restaurant with a smoking section is like a swimming pool with a pissing section
How come in both 911 and 7/7 the terrorists implicated in the events are also implicated as being trained by the respective intelligence authorities of those countries?
At least 3 or more of the 911 hijackers are acknowledged at having trained at US Army training facilities.
Why?
The ORGANIZER of the 7/7 bombings is a MI6 Double Agent. That is FOX NEWS sourced.
So i'm just curious,
is there EVER a terrorist even that occurs with REGULAR OLD TERRORISTS? Or are ALL terrorists always directly connected to intelligence agencies.
Ask yourself if that makes sense,
and ask your self if, given that the government\intelligence was INTIMATELY aware of ALL of these "terrorists", why then did the events still occur?
What sense does any of that make?
??? rolleyes ???
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
alex jones really has brainwashed some american youth. :(
The Western governments sure seem to be in bed, hot and heavy, with terrorists.
Read my above post.
Care to answer why in all three of these major "terrorist" bombing, the implicated terrorists ALWAYS turn up to be directly connected to government intelligence.
So i will ask again,
do ONLY known government informants carry out terrorist attacks?
Do regular old towel heads, ones that aren't on the payroll of the CIA\MI6, ever carry out bombings? Or is it only the high profile cases where the government has to help out?
It's pretty pathetic.
[and still no response on the 7/7 "Terror Drills" that defy all probabilities and statistics in their "precisely" coincidental overlap with real bombings]
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
How come in both 911 and 7/7 the terrorists implicated in the events are also implicated as being trained by the respective intelligence authorities of those countries?
At least 3 or more of the 911 hijackers are acknowledged at having trained at US Army training facilities.
Why?
The ORGANIZER of the 7/7 bombings is a MI6 Double Agent. That is FOX NEWS sourced.
So i'm just curious,
is there EVER a terrorist even that occurs with REGULAR OLD TERRORISTS? Or are ALL terrorists always directly connected to intelligence agencies.
Ask yourself if that makes sense,
and ask your self if, given that the government\intelligence was INTIMATELY aware of ALL of these "terrorists", why then did the events still occur?
What sense does any of that make?
??? rolleyes ???
Here is ANOTHER instance of "INFORMANTS" carrying out attacks.
Why?
ALWAYS it is INFORMANTS.
NEVER just regular old terrorists.
?
Same movie, at the 9:30 mark ... former member of Blairs own CABINET says it was a "convenient" way to rally support behind the PM ... also just before that, a former MI5 agent who was imprisoned for leaking the truth ...
Again, here we have "credible" people ... people INSIDE the system, who say the system is corrupt and running government based on filling the people with fear.
Hmm.
Listen to the last 2 or 3 minutes of the clip.
The MI5 agent was jailed. Why?
Because he released evidence showing that MI6 was actualy involved in FUNDING AL QAEDA to kill muammar gaddafi ... hmm ... MI6 distributed over 250 weapons to help Al Quaeda BLOW UP a government Leader[/url]?
No.
Say it ain't so.
Why would western governments fund Al Qaeda.
:rolleyes:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I think that all the 911 conspiracy nuts are nuts, BUT I think that the plane over Penn was shot down and that is the only thing the government is lying about.
Then you're perfectly comfortable with 'N.O.R.A.D' - America's air defence system failing for the first time that year after over 100 previous routine scramblings? Just a coincidence was it? Was it also a coincidence that Dick Cheney had just been placed in charge of Norad before 9/11?
Also, please explain to me how and why building 7 collapsed?
In fact, whilst you're at it...give 'The New Pearl Harbour' a read and then fill in the blanks for me, coz I'm stumped.
Why?
ALWAYS it is INFORMANTS.
NEVER just regular old terrorists.
?
Same movie, at the 9:30 mark ... former member of Blairs own CABINET says it was a "convenient" way to rally support behind the PM ... also just before that, a former MI5 agent who was imprisoned for leaking the truth ...
Again, here we have "credible" people ... people INSIDE the system, who say the system is corrupt and running government based on filling the people with fear.
Hmm.
Listen to the last 2 or 3 minutes of the clip.
The MI5 agent was jailed. Why?
Because he released evidence showing that MI6 was actualy involved in FUNDING AL QAEDA to kill muammar gaddafi ... hmm ... MI6 distributed over 250 weapons to help Al Quaeda BLOW UP a government Leader[/url]?
No.
Say it ain't so.
Why would western governments fund Al Qaeda.
:rolleyes:
Then you're perfectly comfortable with 'N.O.R.A.D' - America's air defence system failing for the first time that year after over 100 previous routine scramblings? Just a coincidence was it? Was it also a coincidence that Dick Cheney had just been placed in charge of Norad before 9/11?
Also, please explain to me how and why building 7 collapsed?
In fact, whilst you're at it...give 'The New Pearl Harbour' a read and then fill in the blanks for me, coz I'm stumped.
all you both are doing are asking questions that have no answers. usually to prove a conspiracy one would need those answers. there may very well be logical reasons your questions, drifitininthestorm. bottom line is you just don't know. and you need to chill out on the websites. any fool with a little html skills can put anything they want on the net. just because its on the www doesnt automatically make it true. for me, it's common sense that our intelligence agencies are involved with Al Quaeda.
and norad stuff? yup, we fell asleep at the wheel. we were never attacked on our mainland prior to 911. airplanes were never used as missles. all the training in the world didnt prepare us for what happen that day. Al Quaeda won the battle, America lost that day.
a) the sheer number of people involved to pull off 9/11 would be far greater than that of planting WMDs. Thus, keeping the information quiet would be far more difficult. People involved would include the terrorists (or those pesky actors or whoever they were that we hired to fly the planes), the CIA, FBI, Justice Dept, NY Police, etc, etc. Do you think 5-10 people in the Bush administration planned and pulled off 9/11? There would have been thousands of people involved. And all of them were for this plan to fly planes into the trade centers. No one felt bad about it and tried to come forward. No trace of evidence at all. Not an email, a phone call, or something proving the conspiracy, or at the very least, substantiating it in some way, shape, or form? How was all this communication accomplished in the months or years it took to plan 9/11 and no evidence has surfaced?
This is an argument I see often.
It has only been 6 years and everyones attention was immediately diverted to Iraq. If this is all true, something will come out. The only place I ever see these facts questioned is on the internet. Never in a newpaper, on the news, etc. I would bet that 99% of Americans don't even think about the possibility of an inside job.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
and norad stuff? yup, we fell asleep at the wheel. we were never attacked on our mainland prior to 911. airplanes were never used as missles. all the training in the world didnt prepare us for what happen that day.
Sorry Jlew, but that just doesn't wash. The air force was trained to deal with hijacked airliners, and were in fact engaged in an exercise on the morning of 9/11 with that very same scenario in mind. They had scrambled planes over 100 times already that same year when reported hijackings turned out to be false alarms. This was standard, routine operational behaviour. Although on the morning of 9/11, and for the first time that year, it failed.
America's air defense didn't just 'fall asleep at the wheel'.
And I suppose you can explain every other anomaly surrounding 9/11 aswell?
Meanwhile, here are some more questions for ya..
Did U.S officials have advance information about 9/11?
Did U.S officials obstruct investigations prior to 9/11?
Was the collapse of the World Trade Center towers most likely caused by explosives placed throughout the towers?
Was 9/11 funded by leading members of the Pakistani Government?
Did U.S officials have reasons for allowing 9/11?
Did U.S officials block the arrest of suspects and investigations after 9/11?
The answer to all of these is Yes.
Also. why has the Bush Administration prevented an independent inquiry into 9/11? What do they have to hide?
Sorry Jlew, but that just doesn't wash. The air force was trained to deal with hijacked airliners, and were in fact engaged in an exercise on the morning of 9/11 with that very same scenario in mind. They had scrambled planes over 100 times already that same year when reported hijackings turned out to be false alarms. This was standard, routine operational behaviour. Although on the morning of 9/11, and for the first time that year, it failed.
there is a big difference between hypothetical exercises and the real thing.
Was the collapse of the World Trade Center towers most likely caused by explosives placed throughout the towers?
um no. don't tell me you are one of the nutjobs who actually believe in the planted bombs theory. say it aint so. fyi, the likely cause of the collapse was the two jumbo fucking planes that flew into them.
all you both are doing are asking questions that have no answers. usually to prove a conspiracy one would need those answers. there may very well be logical reasons your questions, drifitininthestorm. bottom line is you just don't know. and you need to chill out on the websites. any fool with a little html skills can put anything they want on the net. just because its on the www doesnt automatically make it true. for me, it's common sense that our intelligence agencies are involved with Al Quaeda.
Wow. Talk about a dishonest reply.
Just because it is on the WWW doesn't make it true?
Dude, this shit is sourced from mainstream news &\or government documents.
This shit is documented. Known government informants\intelligence assets have been involved in every major terrorist bombing in recent history.
How come bad things only happen involving people that the government is paying for information\supplying with bomb materials\or otherwise intimately aware of and tracking?
It doesn't make any fucking sense.
We never catch them, but we are always in bed with them.
And your only response\excuse is to either deny that it is true, because it was "posted" on the internet (even though it is sourced through mainstream news\government documents) or to say that "of course" we are invovled with Al Qaeda.
Well OF COURSE!
:cool:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Wow. Talk about a dishonest reply.
Just because it is on the WWW doesn't make it true?
Dude, this shit is sourced from mainstream news &\or government documents.
This shit is documented. Known government informants\intelligence assets have been involved in every major terrorist bombing in recent history.
How come bad things only happen involving people that the government is paying for information\supplying with bomb materials\or otherwise intimately aware of and tracking?
It doesn't make any fucking sense.
We never catch them, but we are always in bed with them.
And your only response\excuse is to either deny that it is true, because it was "posted" on the internet (even though it is sourced through mainstream news\government documents) or to say that "of course" we are invovled with Al Qaeda.
Well OF COURSE!
:cool:
you are asking a question that has no answer. is it obvious that our intelligence agencies try to infiltrate terrorist organizations. that much we know. you take it too many steps further and assume we are working with them to attack innocent americans.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Including one document, which was in the hands of Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld e.t.c, entitled 'Al qaeda's present threat to America', or 'Al qaeda's current threat to America'. The subject was brought up at the 9/11 commission hearings and Condoleeza Rice brushed it under the carpet.
well if you found this info on the net then it must be true.
Was there an independent inquiry? No. Was the investigation hindered by the Bush Administration? Yep. Doesn't need to be on the internet. This is common knowledge.
um no. don't tell me you are one of the nutjobs who actually believe in the planted bombs theory. say it aint so. fyi, the likely cause of the collapse was the two jumbo fucking planes that flew into them.
Funny that. I watched footage - Zeitgeist - the other day showing construction experts, and demolition experts stating categorically that all the evidence from the twin towers - the angle of separation of the steel beams, signs of molten meta,l e.t.c, points to a controlled demolition. But then, what do I know? You're obviously an expert on these things.
partly funded, probably. its nearly impossible to trust anyone over there.
It's not about trusting those unreliable brown skinned people. The evidence for Pakistani funding and links to the C.I.A was discovered closer to home.
you take it too many steps further and assume we are working with them to attack innocent americans.
What do you call it when in 1993 our FBI officials literally hand an informant working explosive devices and say "hey, go give these to your terrorist buddies and have them blow up the World Trade Center",
and then that same informant claims that a FBI top official "screwed up" the chances of stopping those terrorists?
Are we just that incompetent?
Really?
We GAVE terrorists a bomb,
and then failed to stop the plot?
PUH LEASE!
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
How come in both 911 and 7/7 the terrorists implicated in the events are also implicated as being trained by the respective intelligence authorities of those countries?
At least 3 or more of the 911 hijackers are acknowledged at having trained at US Army training facilities.
Why?
The ORGANIZER of the 7/7 bombings is a MI6 Double Agent. That is FOX NEWS sourced.
So i'm just curious,
is there EVER a terrorist even that occurs with REGULAR OLD TERRORISTS? Or are ALL terrorists always directly connected to intelligence agencies.
Ask yourself if that makes sense,
and ask your self if, given that the government\intelligence was INTIMATELY aware of ALL of these "terrorists", why then did the events still occur?
What sense does any of that make?
??? rolleyes ???
My issue isn't with whether there was government involvement in either, although I believe there wasn't. I am open to the possibility that individuals associated with the government/government agencies may or may not have been involved. And of course, no-one denies obl himself was trained by the CIA. My issue is with most of the people who believe these conspiracy theories and the reason most people who believe them do so - that muslims can do no wrong and anything bad must have infidels behind it.
As for the other poster I have no idea who Alex Jones is, or what my post has to do with American youth. I'm English and I find Yanks on both sides of the political divide arrogant.
A restaurant with a smoking section is like a swimming pool with a pissing section
My issue is with most of the people who believe these conspiracy theories and the reason most people who believe them do so - that muslims can do no wrong and anything bad must have infidels behind it.
As for the other poster I have no idea who Alex Jones is, or what my post has to do with American youth. I'm English and I find Yanks on both sides of the political divide arrogant.
I'm not sure who you know who thinks that the CIA is behind it BECAUSE, as you say, muslims can do no wrong.
In fact i don't know ANY one who believes "911 truth" who does so because of some infalible faith in muslim extremists.
They do so because they believe, along with having seen lots of circumstantial evidence to support the theory, that Muslim extremists on a shoe string budget could not pull off a plot of the magnitude of 911 without the explicit guiding hand of US intelligence itself.
If you read some of the comments by former CIA agents themselves in my OP, you will see that their opinion is the very same.
It isn't that there aren't "bad" muslims out there that clearly have it in for the "infidels", its that you don't plow three planes in to the most restricted airspace (NY and DC) in the world without NORAD and the CIA actively working to bungle things up for our defense networks, and otherwise deliberately botching investigative efforts.
As for the Alex Jones comment, that was directed at folks like Roland and I.
AJ is a "prominent" individual in the "Liberty Movement" and "Truth Movement" ... he has a radio show out of austin,tx and he has guests on regularly to discuss conspiracy issues -- NWO, JFK, 911 ... as long as its not monsters and aliens, he's on about it. Hes got movie after movie, and he recently produced Loose Change Final Cut. His next movie is going to be about JFK, and then one about 2012 and its relation to the NWO.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I'm not sure who you know who thinks that the CIA is behind it BECAUSE, as you say, muslims can do no wrong.
In fact i don't know ANY one who believes "911 truth" who does so because of some infalible faith in muslim extremists.
They do so because they believe, along with having seen lots of circumstantial evidence to support the theory, that Muslim extremists on a shoe string budget could not pull off a plot of the magnitude of 911 without the explicit guiding hand of US intelligence itself.
If you read some of the comments by former CIA agents themselves in my OP, you will see that their opinion is the very same.
It isn't that there aren't "bad" muslims out there that clearly have it in for the "infidels", its that you don't plow three planes in to the most restricted airspace (NY and DC) in the world without NORAD and the CIA actively working to bungle things up for our defense networks, and otherwise deliberately botching investigative efforts.
As for the Alex Jones comment, that was directed at folks like Roland and I.
AJ is a "prominent" individual in the "Liberty Movement" and "Truth Movement" ... he has a radio show out of austin,tx and he has guests on regularly to discuss conspiracy issues -- NWO, JFK, 911 ... as long as its not monsters and aliens, he's on about it. Hes got movie after movie, and he recently produced Loose Change Final Cut. His next movie is going to be about JFK, and then one about 2012 and its relation to the NWO.
Any info on the 2012 movie? Ive never heard of it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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way to throw that relevant argument up for dissection.
got anything else to say?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
The bottom line is, EVERY ARGUMENT IN THE WORLD has "credible people" to back it up. Does not make it true. I suppose there aren't any credible people who have said 9/11 was Al-Qaeda right? Why does one side of the government only need "credible people" to back it up and not the other?
That's the 9/11 conspiracies for you in a nutshell - all based on ifs and buts, always have been always will be.
And I suppose 7/7 was MI6...
exact same stations at the exact same times
less there be confusion, let him repeat it
I wish i could post the We Are Change:UK confrontation with Peter Power, but it has been pulled off Youtube. I have an email in asking them what is going on.
You must really believe in some very strange coincidences to think that this is just happenstance.
All the countries in the world, all the days of the year, all the years, all the places ... this guy runs a drill in two tube stations at the same damn time as real bombs.
Hell, i'd almost belive it, except for the very fact that the We Are Change kids approached and asked him some "innocent" questions about it and he literally "ran" away ... like a fraidy cat.
I mean, if you have nothing to hide, don't you just stick around for 2 minutes to address the allegations and make them look like idiots? Do you really grab your briefcase, start looking all paranoid, and then walk away fast and not even speaking as you are asked questions?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
So basically , Al-Qaeda doesn't exist and the only people who can do wrong have white or black skin and are none-Muslim. Ace.
How come in both 911 and 7/7 the terrorists implicated in the events are also implicated as being trained by the respective intelligence authorities of those countries?
At least 3 or more of the 911 hijackers are acknowledged at having trained at US Army training facilities.
Why?
The ORGANIZER of the 7/7 bombings is a MI6 Double Agent. That is FOX NEWS sourced.
How come these terrorist attacks ONLY occur with KNOWN GOVERNMENT INFORMANT involvement.
1993 WTC Bombing Initiated By GOVERNMENT INFORMANT who was GIVEN EXPLOSIVES BY THE FBI
So i'm just curious,
is there EVER a terrorist even that occurs with REGULAR OLD TERRORISTS? Or are ALL terrorists always directly connected to intelligence agencies.
Ask yourself if that makes sense,
and ask your self if, given that the government\intelligence was INTIMATELY aware of ALL of these "terrorists", why then did the events still occur?
What sense does any of that make?
??? rolleyes ???
If I opened it now would you not understand?
The Western governments sure seem to be in bed, hot and heavy, with terrorists.
Read my above post.
Care to answer why in all three of these major "terrorist" bombing, the implicated terrorists ALWAYS turn up to be directly connected to government intelligence.
So i will ask again,
do ONLY known government informants carry out terrorist attacks?
Do regular old towel heads, ones that aren't on the payroll of the CIA\MI6, ever carry out bombings? Or is it only the high profile cases where the government has to help out?
It's pretty pathetic.
[and still no response on the 7/7 "Terror Drills" that defy all probabilities and statistics in their "precisely" coincidental overlap with real bombings]
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Here is ANOTHER instance of "INFORMANTS" carrying out attacks.
First 2-5 minutes of AJ's "Terrorstorm" ... Bombings in Spain admittedly linked to "INFORMANTS" and NOT Al Queda.
Why?
ALWAYS it is INFORMANTS.
NEVER just regular old terrorists.
?
Same movie, at the 9:30 mark ... former member of Blairs own CABINET says it was a "convenient" way to rally support behind the PM ... also just before that, a former MI5 agent who was imprisoned for leaking the truth ...
Again, here we have "credible" people ... people INSIDE the system, who say the system is corrupt and running government based on filling the people with fear.
Hmm.
Listen to the last 2 or 3 minutes of the clip.
The MI5 agent was jailed. Why?
Because he released evidence showing that MI6 was actualy involved in FUNDING AL QAEDA to kill muammar gaddafi ... hmm ... MI6 distributed over 250 weapons to help Al Quaeda BLOW UP a government Leader[/url]?
No.
Say it ain't so.
Why would western governments fund Al Qaeda.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
look up.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
good come back.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Then you're perfectly comfortable with 'N.O.R.A.D' - America's air defence system failing for the first time that year after over 100 previous routine scramblings? Just a coincidence was it? Was it also a coincidence that Dick Cheney had just been placed in charge of Norad before 9/11?
Also, please explain to me how and why building 7 collapsed?
In fact, whilst you're at it...give 'The New Pearl Harbour' a read and then fill in the blanks for me, coz I'm stumped.
all you both are doing are asking questions that have no answers. usually to prove a conspiracy one would need those answers. there may very well be logical reasons your questions, drifitininthestorm. bottom line is you just don't know. and you need to chill out on the websites. any fool with a little html skills can put anything they want on the net. just because its on the www doesnt automatically make it true. for me, it's common sense that our intelligence agencies are involved with Al Quaeda.
and norad stuff? yup, we fell asleep at the wheel. we were never attacked on our mainland prior to 911. airplanes were never used as missles. all the training in the world didnt prepare us for what happen that day. Al Quaeda won the battle, America lost that day.
shock? destabilised by the collapse of those almighty buildings? how close was B7 to the towers anyway?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
It has only been 6 years and everyones attention was immediately diverted to Iraq. If this is all true, something will come out. The only place I ever see these facts questioned is on the internet. Never in a newpaper, on the news, etc. I would bet that 99% of Americans don't even think about the possibility of an inside job.
cough...jlew....cough...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Sorry Jlew, but that just doesn't wash. The air force was trained to deal with hijacked airliners, and were in fact engaged in an exercise on the morning of 9/11 with that very same scenario in mind. They had scrambled planes over 100 times already that same year when reported hijackings turned out to be false alarms. This was standard, routine operational behaviour. Although on the morning of 9/11, and for the first time that year, it failed.
America's air defense didn't just 'fall asleep at the wheel'.
And I suppose you can explain every other anomaly surrounding 9/11 aswell?
Meanwhile, here are some more questions for ya..
Did U.S officials have advance information about 9/11?
Did U.S officials obstruct investigations prior to 9/11?
Was the collapse of the World Trade Center towers most likely caused by explosives placed throughout the towers?
Was 9/11 funded by leading members of the Pakistani Government?
Did U.S officials have reasons for allowing 9/11?
Did U.S officials block the arrest of suspects and investigations after 9/11?
The answer to all of these is Yes.
Also. why has the Bush Administration prevented an independent inquiry into 9/11? What do they have to hide?
You should get away from your t.v set for a while Jlew and try doing some reading. I recommend this for starters: http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1566565529/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?%5Fencoding=UTF8&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R3OGRFOXKUS45W
why? because you say so? sorry thats not good enough.
they had bits and pieces, yes. did you know prior to 9/11 the fbi and cia didn't even communcate with each other?
well if you found this info on the net then it must be true.
um no. don't tell me you are one of the nutjobs who actually believe in the planted bombs theory. say it aint so. fyi, the likely cause of the collapse was the two jumbo fucking planes that flew into them.
partly funded, probably. its nearly impossible to trust anyone over there. no, you can make up any reason you want and call it fact I guess. if it's on the internet it must be true.
if you say so. :rolleyes:
You would be about as wrong as can be.
2004 Zogby poll Over half of those polled believe the US Government had foreknowledge and "consciously failed to act" ... and that was 2004 ... not exactly the height of 911 Truth movement discoveries.
CBS \ NYTimes 2006 Poll
83% of those polled believe the Government is being dishonest about 911 -
53% -- "Bush administration is hiding something"
28% -- say they are flat out "LYING"
Zogby 9/6/2007 Poll:
Zogby Poll: 51% of Americans Want Congress to Probe Bush/Cheney Regarding 9/11 Attacks; Over 30% Seek Immediate Impeachment
--67% also fault 9/11 Commission for not investigating anomalous collapse of World Trade Center 7
Not exactly 99% don't even think about it.
What were you saying again?
:cool:
Wow. Talk about a dishonest reply.
Just because it is on the WWW doesn't make it true?
Dude, this shit is sourced from mainstream news &\or government documents.
This shit is documented. Known government informants\intelligence assets have been involved in every major terrorist bombing in recent history.
How come bad things only happen involving people that the government is paying for information\supplying with bomb materials\or otherwise intimately aware of and tracking?
It doesn't make any fucking sense.
We never catch them, but we are always in bed with them.
And your only response\excuse is to either deny that it is true, because it was "posted" on the internet (even though it is sourced through mainstream news\government documents) or to say that "of course" we are invovled with Al Qaeda.
Well OF COURSE!
:cool:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
you are asking a question that has no answer. is it obvious that our intelligence agencies try to infiltrate terrorist organizations. that much we know. you take it too many steps further and assume we are working with them to attack innocent americans.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Yup:
No, because the facts say so.
Including one document, which was in the hands of Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld e.t.c, entitled 'Al qaeda's present threat to America', or 'Al qaeda's current threat to America'. The subject was brought up at the 9/11 commission hearings and Condoleeza Rice brushed it under the carpet.
Was there an independent inquiry? No. Was the investigation hindered by the Bush Administration? Yep. Doesn't need to be on the internet. This is common knowledge.
Funny that. I watched footage - Zeitgeist - the other day showing construction experts, and demolition experts stating categorically that all the evidence from the twin towers - the angle of separation of the steel beams, signs of molten meta,l e.t.c, points to a controlled demolition. But then, what do I know? You're obviously an expert on these things.
It's not about trusting those unreliable brown skinned people. The evidence for Pakistani funding and links to the C.I.A was discovered closer to home.
So the Bush administration didn't have any reason for allowing 9/11? Have you been in hibernation for the past 7 years?
As opposed to the mainstream media, right?
What do you call it when in 1993 our FBI officials literally hand an informant working explosive devices and say "hey, go give these to your terrorist buddies and have them blow up the World Trade Center",
and then that same informant claims that a FBI top official "screwed up" the chances of stopping those terrorists?
Are we just that incompetent?
Really?
We GAVE terrorists a bomb,
and then failed to stop the plot?
PUH LEASE!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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My issue isn't with whether there was government involvement in either, although I believe there wasn't. I am open to the possibility that individuals associated with the government/government agencies may or may not have been involved. And of course, no-one denies obl himself was trained by the CIA. My issue is with most of the people who believe these conspiracy theories and the reason most people who believe them do so - that muslims can do no wrong and anything bad must have infidels behind it.
As for the other poster I have no idea who Alex Jones is, or what my post has to do with American youth. I'm English and I find Yanks on both sides of the political divide arrogant.
I'm not sure who you know who thinks that the CIA is behind it BECAUSE, as you say, muslims can do no wrong.
In fact i don't know ANY one who believes "911 truth" who does so because of some infalible faith in muslim extremists.
They do so because they believe, along with having seen lots of circumstantial evidence to support the theory, that Muslim extremists on a shoe string budget could not pull off a plot of the magnitude of 911 without the explicit guiding hand of US intelligence itself.
If you read some of the comments by former CIA agents themselves in my OP, you will see that their opinion is the very same.
It isn't that there aren't "bad" muslims out there that clearly have it in for the "infidels", its that you don't plow three planes in to the most restricted airspace (NY and DC) in the world without NORAD and the CIA actively working to bungle things up for our defense networks, and otherwise deliberately botching investigative efforts.
As for the Alex Jones comment, that was directed at folks like Roland and I.
AJ is a "prominent" individual in the "Liberty Movement" and "Truth Movement" ... he has a radio show out of austin,tx and he has guests on regularly to discuss conspiracy issues -- NWO, JFK, 911 ... as long as its not monsters and aliens, he's on about it. Hes got movie after movie, and he recently produced Loose Change Final Cut. His next movie is going to be about JFK, and then one about 2012 and its relation to the NWO.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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hehe...
omg..