Everyone knows they did nothing.. This thread is insinuating a lot more than that, as you know..
Sorry if I was too abrasive for you baby..I should have known your delicate mind would not find that interesting.. wait.. I don't care what your think..:)
Hey, you sound like a *really* great person... take that as sarcasm or not...but unfortunately you have already shown your true colors here for all to see.
BTW name calling is what people do when they have nothing left upstairs to offer intellectually.
Shame you can't seem to break the habit.
Why is that?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Hey, you sound like a *really* great person... take that as sarcasm or not...but unfortunately you have already shown your true colors here for all to see.
BTW name calling is what people do when they have nothing left upstairs to offer intellectually.
Shame you can't seem to break the habit.
Why is that?
You actually think this thread is interesting, it is a joke.. I am just trying to put it to bed..
I was hoping you'd answer my questions directly and not with more questions. And I was also hoping you'd tell me the spcifics of why your thoughts on this were more logical than mine. But tis true...these discussions usually don't go anywhere on either side and take way more energy than I feel like putting into it right now.
Btw, what did you think of the info in that link?
I didn't get a chance to read the info in the link because I was at work, but I'll check it out soon.
Ok, if I really need to answer those questions, and explain things like why a 9/11 inside job would be more difficult to pull off than planting of WMD, here goes:
a) the sheer number of people involved to pull off 9/11 would be far greater than that of planting WMDs. Thus, keeping the information quiet would be far more difficult. People involved would include the terrorists (or those pesky actors or whoever they were that we hired to fly the planes), the CIA, FBI, Justice Dept, NY Police, etc, etc. Do you think 5-10 people in the Bush administration planned and pulled off 9/11? There would have been thousands of people involved. And all of them were for this plan to fly planes into the trade centers. No one felt bad about it and tried to come forward. No trace of evidence at all. Not an email, a phone call, or something proving the conspiracy, or at the very least, substantiating it in some way, shape, or form? How was all this communication accomplished in the months or years it took to plan 9/11 and no evidence has surfaced?
b) 8 years of pure incompetence from this administration. They were caught in scandal after scandal and lie after lie (Walter Reed, Firing of US Attorneys, Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame, Katrina, Iraq, Afghanistan, Homeland Security, Cheyney's Energy Policy, Global Warming, the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Miers, FDA, EPA, black prisons and torture, the Economy, War on Science, etc, etc, etc). The Bush administration can't even forge a WMD document. They can't sufficiently cover anything up, but they can somehow pull off such a large scale plot like 9/11 without leaving some sort of paper trail. It's totally illogicial.
Where's Bin Laden? We can pull off 9/11, but can't capture Bin Laden? Or do anything else right for that matter. Think about it, if you had the capability, intelligence, resources, time, and all the other neat things that Bush would need for 9/11 to be an inside job, then why would you fuck up everything else? Why create all that controversy? As a diversion to appear inept so the country wouldn't think you were capable of doing 9/11? That's an unimaginable stretch. It would be more sensible to do everything else right and get the country and the world's trust, instead of making everyone hate you and turning international support into worldwide condemnation. If all you do is lie and lie as president, then we should question his truthfulness when he says 9/11 wasn't an inside job. That's the only logical connection to this conspiracy.
Everyone knows they did nothing.. This thread is insinuating a lot more than that, as you know..
Sorry if I was too abrasive for you baby..I should have known your delicate mind would not find that interesting.. wait.. I don't care what your think..:)
Lets try this another way
when an institution that is established and funded to STOP enemy threats IS INSTEAD fully aware of, tracking, training, and abeiting that threat ...
... further, the chain of command of those institutions is actualy STONE WALLING the good agents who have reported such threats, demoting, firing, threatining, and otherwise obstructing their efforts ... when they tell these agents, "you will not go near any Saudi Arabian suspects", and 16 of the 19 hijackers turn out to be, gasp, Saudi, and then they send memos to border guards ordering them to let said terrorists in to the country, meet with the man who wired them $100,000 in a government building the day before AND the day of 911, and deliberately reschedule a massive airline hijacking war games exercise to the week of 911 when it has been held anualy in another month for quite some time ... oh and Dick Cheney in August has sole "shoot down order" authority assigned to him in sole ...
... you start adding all that shit up ... and then low and behold, no planes got shot down, and all these terrorists that we knew about, were tracking, had trained, and deliberately kept agents off their trail go plowing those plains in to a building ...
... where exactly is the difference between "doing nothing" and "planning the whole thing" ?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I didn't get a chance to read the info in the link because I was at work, but I'll check it out soon.
Ok, if I really need to answer those questions, and explain things like why a 9/11 inside job would be more difficult to pull off than planting of WMD, here goes:
a) the sheer number of people involved to pull off 9/11 would be far greater than that of planting WMDs. Thus, keeping the information quiet would be far more difficult. People involved would include the terrorists (or those pesky actors or whoever they were that we hired to fly the planes), the CIA, FBI, Justice Dept, NY Police, etc, etc. Do you think 5-10 people in the Bush administration planned and pulled off 9/11? There would have been thousands of people involved. And all of them were for this plan to fly planes into the trade centers. No one felt bad about it and tried to come forward. No trace of evidence at all. Not an email, a phone call, or something proving the conspiracy, or at the very least, substantiating it in some way, shape, or form? How was all this communication accomplished in the months or years it took to plan 9/11 and no evidence has surfaced?
b) 8 years of pure incompetence from this administration. They were caught in scandal after scandal and lie after lie (Walter Reed, Firing of US Attorneys, Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame, Katrina, Iraq, Afghanistan, Homeland Security, Cheyney's Energy Policy, Global Warming, the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Miers, FDA, EPA, black prisons and torture, the Economy, War on Science, etc, etc, etc). The Bush administration can't even forge a WMD document. They can't sufficiently cover anything up, but they can somehow pull off such a large scale plot like 9/11 without leaving some sort of paper trail. It's totally illogicial.
Where's Bin Laden? We can pull off 9/11, but can't capture Bin Laden? Or do anything else right for that matter. Think about it, if you had the capability, intelligence, resources, time, and all the other neat things that Bush would need for 9/11 to be an inside job, then why would you fuck up everything else? Why create all that controversy? As a diversion to appear inept so the country wouldn't think you were capable of doing 9/11? That's an unimaginable stretch. It would be more sensible to do everything else right and get the country and the world's trust, instead of making everyone hate you and turning international support into worldwide condemnation. If all you do is lie and lie as president, then we should question his truthfulness when he says 9/11 wasn't an inside job. That's the only logical connection to this conspiracy.
Why would they want to capture Bin Ladin when he's part of the plot? The bin Ladens and bush's are actually pretty tight.
Why would they want to capture Bin Ladin when he's part of the plot? The bin Ladens and bush's are actually pretty tight.
One more thing. If the conspiracy was that Bush and Bin Laden were in on 9/11 together, and Bush just allowed the terrorist attack to happen, it would actually be believable versus the notion this adminstration planted bombs and that's what brought down the towers instead of the planes that flew into them.
You actually think this thread is interesting, it is a joke.. I am just trying to put it to bed..
Saying so does nothing make it so except within the confines between your ears alone.
It impacts everything, and has set the world on a completely new course. It's far from a joke by any means. There are so many suspicious and interconnected events surrounding it on so many levels it absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention all the flawed science.
From any angle one can slice it, this apple appears rotten.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
[...] [it] would include the terrorists (or those pesky actors or whoever they were that we hired to fly the planes), the CIA, FBI, Justice Dept, NY Police, etc, etc. Do you think 5-10 people in the Bush administration planned and pulled off 9/11? There would have been thousands of people involved. And all of them were for this plan to fly planes into the trade centers. No one felt bad about it and tried to come forward. No trace of evidence at all. Not an email, a phone call, or something proving the conspiracy, or at the very least, substantiating it in some way, shape, or form? How was all this communication accomplished in the months or years it took to plan 9/11 and no evidence has surfaced?
[...]
Where's Bin Laden? We can pull off 9/11, but can't capture Bin Laden? .
Where's Bin Laden? We can pull off 9/11, but can't capture Bin Laden?
Exactly. Bin Laden was part of the deal.
We wouldn't dare capture him and piss off our little buddies the Saudis. We had a chance numerous times and deliberately delayed the trigger. There are also rumors that he has either been killed by someone, or had some sort of terminal kidney problem (i think it was kidneys, anyhow) ... so he could actualy be dead now, anyhow. But saying so sure wouldn't help us continue this phoney war on terror. Why in gods name would they have wanted to capture him anyhow? Assuming he WAS really responsible? Like i said, no Bin Laden = lots more war. "Well, we're still looking for him." ... all though, they haven't even needed to use that. They just talk about his buddies, "Al Qaeda" being in Iraq now.
As far as who needed to be in on 911, you are totally wrong.
SOME members of the CIA, and i mean at the top, maybe the same for the FBI, maybe not (with JFK, Hoover of the FBI seems to have been left in the dark, and also possibly blackmailed in to silence) ... the NYPD would not need to know dick, i'm pretty sure no one in the Justice Dept. really needed to no dick, and the only person on the 911 Commission who needed to know dick was the Executive Director, Condy's good buddy, Phillip Zelikow. Notice they TRIED to appoint KISSINGER -- a man who has talked about a "new world order" repeatedly, and at length.
Hmm.
So how many people needed to know?
Well i suspect Cheney knew, thats for damn sure.
That makes 1.
Maybe Bush knew, maybe he was purposely left in the dark about most of it, but probably he knew.
2
Condy Rice, she lied repeatedly about it.
3
Rumsfeld, probably, but maybe not. will give him .5 point.
3.5
Lets say 3 or 4 well placed high ranking CFR scum CIA officers at the top
8-10
And honestly, thats about it.
You want to add some FBI agents?
Add a few more here and there too?
Thats fair, someone at NORAD was in on it, you're right.
Lets make it 30, hell.
30 - 10 who are 100% trustworthy, they are at the top of the pack of bullshit. If they came out about it, they are all going to get tried and hung for treason.
What about the other 20, if they were really that instrumental, same thing. Tried and "hung".
:cool:
How many people do you really think it takes to stonewall well meaning agents, and make it too difficult for good pilots in F16s to scramble, or good agents to get them detained beforehand?
Anything else needed could be done by the terrorists themselves, provided the CIA or FBI agents at the top (in on it) were able to keep their dogs off the trail long enough to let it happen. The only other matter was letting them back in to the country.
You still fail to address how we could be so stupid as to not know about agents that WE HAD TRAINED. We trained these fuckers. What say you to that? Why did we let them back through the borders? Why did we meet with the guy from Pakistani ISI who wired Attah 100k on the day before and of 911? We repeatedly answer the questions posed by non-truthers, how come ya'll ALWAYS gloss over the questions posed by us?
???
And why would all these people in my title post come forward about it?
You just said, "How come no one has come forward?" and my freaking title post has SEVEN CIA officers who have said so, a former Italian President and intelligence service member himself, a very high ranking german parliament member and former intelligence officer, and our good "buddy", Mr. Chavez.
So, okay, with the exception of ole Chavez who you can obviously argue has a motive to lie, what about the good men from the CIA who appear credible on the face and would know better than you what the CIA is and is not capable of, and the foreign intelligence and political figures who claim the same? What of them?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I didn't get a chance to read the info in the link because I was at work, but I'll check it out soon.
Ok, if I really need to answer those questions, and explain things like why a 9/11 inside job would be more difficult to pull off than planting of WMD, here goes:
a) the sheer number of people involved to pull off 9/11 would be far greater than that of planting WMDs. Thus, keeping the information quiet would be far more difficult. People involved would include the terrorists (or those pesky actors or whoever they were that we hired to fly the planes), the CIA, FBI, Justice Dept, NY Police, etc, etc. Do you think 5-10 people in the Bush administration planned and pulled off 9/11? There would have been thousands of people involved. And all of them were for this plan to fly planes into the trade centers. No one felt bad about it and tried to come forward. No trace of evidence at all. Not an email, a phone call, or something proving the conspiracy, or at the very least, substantiating it in some way, shape, or form? How was all this communication accomplished in the months or years it took to plan 9/11 and no evidence has surfaced?
b) 8 years of pure incompetence from this administration. They were caught in scandal after scandal and lie after lie (Walter Reed, Firing of US Attorneys, Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame, Katrina, Iraq, Afghanistan, Homeland Security, Cheyney's Energy Policy, Global Warming, the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Miers, FDA, EPA, black prisons and torture, the Economy, War on Science, etc, etc, etc). The Bush administration can't even forge a WMD document. They can't sufficiently cover anything up, but they can somehow pull off such a large scale plot like 9/11 without leaving some sort of paper trail. It's totally illogicial.
Where's Bin Laden? We can pull off 9/11, but can't capture Bin Laden? Or do anything else right for that matter. Think about it, if you had the capability, intelligence, resources, time, and all the other neat things that Bush would need for 9/11 to be an inside job, then why would you fuck up everything else? Why create all that controversy? As a diversion to appear inept so the country wouldn't think you were capable of doing 9/11? That's an unimaginable stretch. It would be more sensible to do everything else right and get the country and the world's trust, instead of making everyone hate you and turning international support into worldwide condemnation. If all you do is lie and lie as president, then we should question his truthfulness when he says 9/11 wasn't an inside job. That's the only logical connection to this conspiracy.
So you're saying that some men in robes and sandals operating out of cave would stand a better chance of pulling this off than the United States gov't? Interesting and a bit illogical to me.
And most of the examples of incompetence you gave weren't examples of stupidity but rather, things they didn't give a shit about anyway or simply wanted in the first place. It's no surprise that greedy, manipulating, power driven people would fail when it comes to looking out for the people. I know plenty of greedy assholes who are intelligent but that doesn't mean they care for the less fortunate or the common man. They don't care what happens to them...their only effort lies in lining their pockets further. Katrina victims, dead Iraqis and soldiers...just don't get too much consideration when they are planning their agenda.
Everytime people bring up examples of where they failed to cover their tracks you guy never pay it any attention. Just like the link I posted to you earlier. People have brought up huge holes and inconsistencies in the official story and you guys just don't want to even discuss it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I didn't get a chance to read the info in the link because I was at work, but I'll check it out soon.
Ok, if I really need to answer those questions, and explain things like why a 9/11 inside job would be more difficult to pull off than planting of WMD, here goes:
a) the sheer number of people involved to pull off 9/11 would be far greater than that of planting WMDs. Thus, keeping the information quiet would be far more difficult. People involved would include the terrorists (or those pesky actors or whoever they were that we hired to fly the planes), the CIA, FBI, Justice Dept, NY Police, etc, etc. Do you think 5-10 people in the Bush administration planned and pulled off 9/11? There would have been thousands of people involved. And all of them were for this plan to fly planes into the trade centers. No one felt bad about it and tried to come forward. No trace of evidence at all. Not an email, a phone call, or something proving the conspiracy, or at the very least, substantiating it in some way, shape, or form? How was all this communication accomplished in the months or years it took to plan 9/11 and no evidence has surfaced?
It wasn't the bish admin that was behind this. pnac maybe. All the bush admin did was capitalize on the opportunity. And I am not interested in the how of 9/11, just the resulting policies.
b) 8 years of pure incompetence from this administration. They were caught in scandal after scandal and lie after lie (Walter Reed, Firing of US Attorneys, Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame, Katrina, Iraq, Afghanistan, Homeland Security, Cheyney's Energy Policy, Global Warming, the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Miers, FDA, EPA, black prisons and torture, the Economy, War on Science, etc, etc, etc). The Bush administration can't even forge a WMD document. They can't sufficiently cover anything up, but they can somehow pull off such a large scale plot like 9/11 without leaving some sort of paper trail. It's totally illogicial.
Which only shows how incapable they were to disocover a plot like 9/11. The true leaders of the US are much more capable than bush and co, though co might be the ones pulling hte strings.
Where's Bin Laden? We can pull off 9/11, but can't capture Bin Laden? Or do anything else right for that matter. Think about it, if you had the capability, intelligence, resources, time, and all the other neat things that Bush would need for 9/11 to be an inside job, then why would you fuck up everything else? Why create all that controversy? As a diversion to appear inept so the country wouldn't think you were capable of doing 9/11? That's an unimaginable stretch. It would be more sensible to do everything else right and get the country and the world's trust, instead of making everyone hate you and turning international support into worldwide condemnation. If all you do is lie and lie as president, then we should question his truthfulness when he says 9/11 wasn't an inside job. That's the only logical connection to this conspiracy.
again the Bin Ladens' and the Bush's are are on the same side, they are both making billions of this war war on terror.
If I remember correctly, Kissinger opted out because his associates would have to become public knowledge, so this was a deal breaker for him.
that's pretty nuts... Kissinger as choice #1 omg...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
when an institution that is established and funded to STOP enemy threats IS INSTEAD fully aware of, tracking, training, and abeiting that threat ...
... further, the chain of command of those institutions is actualy STONE WALLING the good agents who have reported such threats, demoting, firing, threatining, and otherwise obstructing their efforts ... when they tell these agents, "you will not go near any Saudi Arabian suspects", and 16 of the 19 hijackers turn out to be, gasp, Saudi, and then they send memos to border guards ordering them to let said terrorists in to the country, meet with the man who wired them $100,000 in a government building the day before AND the day of 911, and deliberately reschedule a massive airline hijacking war games exercise to the week of 911 when it has been held anualy in another month for quite some time ... oh and Dick Cheney in August has sole "shoot down order" authority assigned to him in sole ...
... you start adding all that shit up ... and then low and behold, no planes got shot down, and all these terrorists that we knew about, were tracking, had trained, and deliberately kept agents off their trail go plowing those plains in to a building ...
... where exactly is the difference between "doing nothing" and "planning the whole thing" ?
I appreciate your dedication to this subject.. I just can't believe even George Bush would want all this blood on his hands.. I just seems a little too much for me.. If it is true, we are all doomed....I just have more faith in humanity that that..
And why would all these people in my title post come forward about it?
You just said, "How come no one has come forward?" and my freaking title post has SEVEN CIA officers who have said so, a former Italian President and intelligence service member himself, a very high ranking german parliament member and former intelligence officer, and our good "buddy", Mr. Chavez.
So, okay, with the exception of ole Chavez who you can obviously argue has a motive to lie, what about the good men from the CIA who appear credible on the face and would know better than you what the CIA is and is not capable of, and the foreign intelligence and political figures who claim the same? What of them?
COINTELPRO?
ahahahahaaa
(except for Chavez)
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I appreciate your dedication to this subject.. I just can't believe even George Bush would want all this blood on his hands.. I just seems a little too much for me.. If it is true, we are all doomed....I just have more faith in humanity that that..
George Bush wants what is best for George Bush.
What if The Powers That Be told him, "look, either go along with this, or we are going to run it all over the news 24\7 that you were incompetent and need to be impeached and charged for negligence on the job."
Or some shit?
Don't forget who you are dealing with.
Bush is just a puppet.
He is also an evil sick fuck if you ask me, so i don't think he had too many problems with it.
You REALLY need to get over this "more faith in humanity" crap.
Didn't you learn ANYTHING from the 20th century alone
???
How many good men were murdered, and how many maniacal sociopathic sycophant dictators killed millions of their own to further their agendas?
Blind faith in ANYTHING, much less in something as vague and incomprehensible as "humanity" is pretty scary.
You want to talk about a impossible conspiracy?
A conspiracy to make all people inherently "good" ... that takes the cake!
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Where's Bin Laden? We can pull off 9/11, but can't capture Bin Laden?
Exactly. Bin Laden was part of the deal.
We wouldn't dare capture him and piss off our little buddies the Saudis. We had a chance numerous times and deliberately delayed the trigger. There are also rumors that he has either been killed by someone, or had some sort of terminal kidney problem (i think it was kidneys, anyhow) ... so he could actualy be dead now, anyhow. But saying so sure wouldn't help us continue this phoney war on terror. Why in gods name would they have wanted to capture him anyhow? Assuming he WAS really responsible? Like i said, no Bin Laden = lots more war. "Well, we're still looking for him." ... all though, they haven't even needed to use that. They just talk about his buddies, "Al Qaeda" being in Iraq now.
If Bin Laden was part of the deal, then what's in it for him, and more importantly, what's in it for us?
As far as who needed to be in on 911, you are totally wrong.
SOME members of the CIA, and i mean at the top, maybe the same for the FBI, maybe not (with JFK, Hoover of the FBI seems to have been left in the dark, and also possibly blackmailed in to silence) ... the NYPD would not need to know dick, i'm pretty sure no one in the Justice Dept. really needed to no dick, and the only person on the 911 Commission who needed to know dick was the Executive Director, Condy's good buddy, Phillip Zelikow. Notice they TRIED to appoint KISSINGER -- a man who has talked about a "new world order" repeatedly, and at length.
Hmm.
So how many people needed to know?
Well i suspect Cheney knew, thats for damn sure.
That makes 1.
Maybe Bush knew, maybe he was purposely left in the dark about most of it, but probably he knew.
2
Condy Rice, she lied repeatedly about it.
3
Rumsfeld, probably, but maybe not. will give him .5 point.
3.5
Lets say 3 or 4 well placed high ranking CFR scum CIA officers at the top
8-10
And honestly, thats about it.
You want to add some FBI agents?
Add a few more here and there too?
Thats fair, someone at NORAD was in on it, you're right.
Lets make it 30, hell.
30 - 10 who are 100% trustworthy, they are at the top of the pack of bullshit. If they came out about it, they are all going to get tried and hung for treason.
What about the other 20, if they were really that instrumental, same thing. Tried and "hung".
:cool:
How many people do you really think it takes to stonewall well meaning agents, and make it too difficult for good pilots in F16s to scramble, or good agents to get them detained beforehand?
There would definitely be a lot more than 30 people involved. There were, what 12 terrorists on the planes. Plus Bin Laden. So only 17 or so more people were involved with pulling off this unprecedented and well planned attack? The theory is that the govt planted bombs and blew up the wtc's, right? So where did the explosives come from? Who bought them or stole them? Who installed them at the trade centers? No one saw this happen btw? So were people paid off to look the other way? Who drove or flew the explosives to NY? How did they get past security. Who fired the missile at the plane that hit the pentagon, or supposedly crashed the plane in PA? Who looked the other way to make this happen. How many people just in those examples would have to be involved? I could go on and on but hopefully you see how large of an operation this would be and how many people that would have to be involved at every level.
Anything else needed could be done by the terrorists themselves, provided the CIA or FBI agents at the top (in on it) were able to keep their dogs off the trail long enough to let it happen. The only other matter was letting them back in to the country.
You still fail to address how we could be so stupid as to not know about agents that WE HAD TRAINED. We trained these fuckers. What say you to that? Why did we let them back through the borders? Why did we meet with the guy from Pakistani ISI who wired Attah 100k on the day before and of 911? We repeatedly answer the questions posed by non-truthers, how come ya'll ALWAYS gloss over the questions posed by us?
???
I could answer all those questions, but this sums it up. Did you ever think that there is a conspiracy to cover up information, but not that of a plot to bomb our own country, rather one to cover up the ineptitude and failures involved with our govt not being able to stop 9/11?
We let them back through our borders just like we let the guy back through with tuberculosis. Communication failures. Laziness. They trained here and no alarm flags were raised to connect the dots. Any analyst can look at a trend of all the Bush administration failures over the last 8 years and rank 9/11 as the same. They overlooked key triggers that could have stopped the attack because of all the bureaucractic bullshit. I mean, I just saw on the news the other night that we have a govt agency trying to kill the population of this woodland animal (can't remember what it was) and another govt agency that's set up to protect it. They're working against each other and no one knew it. Where's the communication? This administration has fucked up so many times, in so many ways, I'm more inclined to believe that they're hiding evidence of massive failures within agencies at every level to stop the attack instead of hiding evidence that they planned and carried it out themselves.
So you're saying that some men in robes and sandals operating out of cave would stand a better chance of pulling this off than the United States gov't? Interesting and a bit illogical to me.
No. I'm saying it's absolutely implausible that the Bush administration was behind 9/11.
And most of the examples of incompetence you gave weren't examples of stupidity but rather, things they didn't give a shit about anyway or simply wanted in the first place. It's no surprise that greedy, manipulating, power driven people would fail when it comes to looking out for the people. I know plenty of greedy assholes who are intelligent but that doesn't mean they care for the less fortunate or the common man. They don't care what happens to them...their only effort lies in lining their pockets further. Katrina victims, dead Iraqis and soldiers...just don't get too much consideration when they are planning their agenda.
Everytime people bring up examples of where they failed to cover their tracks you guy never pay it any attention. Just like the link I posted to you earlier. People have brought up huge holes and inconsistencies in the official story and you guys just don't want to even discuss it.
Look, I believe Bush and co lied and intentionally misled the country about the reasons for going to war. And I believe they're lying to us about 9/11. But they're not covering up the evidence of the govt plotting the attack, but rather the govts failure to stop it.
No, I don't. I asked you about how world government will come into existence in your other thread. I asked how world government can exist without the cooperation of people like Hu Jintao, Putin or Zubkov, Castro, Ahmadinejad and Chavez. People who I think are not fond of forming a world government with America. You answered our government leaders lie to us, they betray us, they tell us we get no say in this. And you cited an article about Gordon Brown, if I remember correctly. But if Chavez, Putin and Hu Jintao don't want a global government with America, how will it happen?
You people have ZERO ability to discern what is what in this world.
:rolleyes:
Do you know what a god complex is?
Where have i ever fucking said that EVERY single goddamn politician in the world wants a world government?
Just answer my question in your other thread. Not with an article about Gorden Brown or Angela Merkel, not with a youtube video on Skull & Bones or the Illuminati. So tell me how the world leader who want world government are going to convince Putin it's a good idea, or how they'll brainwash the entire world into war with Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela...
You have to be able to look at shit objectively and figure out who is full of shit and who is telling the truth, based on circumstances, evidence, and once again, circumstances.
Objectively. I'm sorry but you are certainly not objective. You make everything into a world conspiracy (I'm not saying you are not right), but you are not objective. You read a million things into that video (from the other thread) that weren't there. You exaggerate and you make connections, draw links and come to conclusions without proof. That is not what you'd call objective.
You people are ridiculous.
I'm not sure if I should see this as an insult.
Who is the one speculating wildly, dodging questions, making one line responses, and totaly avoiding issues?
CERTAINLY NOT ME!
It is you.
Speculating wildly:
Walter Cronkite:
"Today we must develop federal structures on a global level, to deal with world problems we need a system of inforceable world law, a democratic federal world government."
Hillary:
"For decades you told us the way it is, but tonight we honour you for fighting for the way it could be"
you:
"Hillary Clinton wants to subvert the constitution and put you under the control of WOLRD Government.
No conspiracy needed.
She just said it."
Well, she didn't say that. And unless you have hard evidence that the WFM wants to enslave us through world government, aren't you the one who is speculating wildly? Where exactly is your proof?
Dodging questions? Remember my question about Chavez, Putin etc. and you answered that Gordon Brown tells the British what to do?
Making one line responses? You make a million of them, all in one post, though.
Oh...ok if you could point out to me, or in fact quote the section where it explains specifically how the tensile strength of the steel all the way down the building was compromised instantaneously at teh speed of gravity that would be really fantastic.
please do thanks...
I'll be waiting...(for a very very long time)
You tell me where you get that "the tensile strength of the steel all the way down the building was compromised instantaneously at the speed of gravity"? Again, your wording sounds good and someone said it and you followed it blindly, but what you are saying makes no sense.
And you are also wrong on saying that when basic physics and science is applied it doesn't make sense. That is when it makes perfectly good sense!
And where in the hell do you get it was a perfectly uniform collapse? Oh I know, it makes it sound interesting and that ballistics had to be used. Read the ballistics experts report again and then repeat 10 times to yourself "it was not a perfectly uniform collapse and i need to stop making up things and stop taking videos that people post on the internet as fact"
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The Bush administration had nothing to do with JFK. Let's stay on topic and answer the questions at hand.
What was the motive for a 9/11 inside job? Can anyone explain this? Was it to invade Iraq? If so, why not plant WMD's? I mean, seriously think about it, the logic is so flawed, it's absolutely ridiculous. The most inept president of our lifetime is somehow able to pull off the biggest coverup the planet has ever seen with 9/11, then not be able to plant a few WMD's to complete the job?
And you're comparing winning 2 close elections to a 9/11 inside job? It's easy to cheat the voting machines. Ask Diebold. I or anyone with a background in databases could easily do this. The two are not comparable at any level of the imagination.
I'll take an easy swipe at the motive.....Money, power and even more control of the middle east then they already had. Pipelines that go through Afgan. The oil in Iraq. WMD need not be brought into this discussion when you have a super visual such as 911 to run over and over again.
Where is Soulshining and the dude from Chicage who call us a bunch of nuts but can believe that the government is only lying about the plane being "shot down" over Penn. That one still makes me laugh. It is only a little lie I guess and they can't be that corrupt if they are only lying about that one plane and story. ha ha That has to be the best I've read on here when it comes to calling people dumb for the "conspiracy" belief and then believing a little bit of it yourself. Sic!!
I'll take an easy swipe at the motive.....Money, power and even more control of the middle east then they already had. Pipelines that go through Afgan. The oil in Iraq. WMD need not be brought into this discussion when you have a super visual such as 911 to run over and over again.
But the people who could pull that type of thing off are already powerful, and already rich. Plus if terrorists were already doing or at least planning things like that anyways (USS Cole, The London Bombings (or were those government operations too)) why would the government go out of the way to make people scared when the terrorists already had that covered?
It says take at a look at the "world trade centers collapsing" but shows the pentagon for some reason.
It referred to video footage..And notice how Mr. sensitive has nothing to say regarding the very credible article. Maybe just ONCE it would be nice for the people in this thread to admit that they are not experts and acknowledge that they have no clue of the content they attempt to talk intelligently about. We all can google articles.. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-1,00.html
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You tell me where you get that "the tensile strength of the steel all the way down the building was compromised instantaneously at the speed of gravity"? Again, your wording sounds good and someone said it and you followed it blindly, but what you are saying makes no sense.
And you are also wrong on saying that when basic physics and science is applied it doesn't make sense. That is when it makes perfectly good sense!
And where in the hell do you get it was a perfectly uniform collapse? Oh I know, it makes it sound interesting and that ballistics had to be used. Read the ballistics experts report again and then repeat 10 times to yourself "it was not a perfectly uniform collapse and i need to stop making up things and stop taking videos that people post on the internet as fact"
Watch tower #7....comes down like a textbook demolition. I am even having to say this why exactly?
Look up tensile strength, Better yet try to break a pencil by standing it upright in a vice and break it with something by hitting it perfectly on it's end. v.s. simply snapping it like a twig sideways the normal way. Or better yet use a metal rod and a massive sledge hammer and try to even just bend the rod.
Just use your eyes to see how fast the buildings come down while picturing the above reality. And yes, it makes complete sense what I'm saying.
So anyway where's the part where anyone explains how the tensile structural integrity of the metal was somehow magically defeated all the way down the building in essentially free fall speed (gravity) without any protest.
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If people wanted to bring down Tower 7 with a demolition team but then wanted to cover it up afterwards...
why would they make it look like a CONTROLLED demolition??
I haven't read all the responses, but doesn't anyone else think about this? If you wanted the building to come down and later blame it on structural damage/fires, why would you demolish it and make it look so clean and controlled? Why not just blow one side of it, and make it collapse crooked?
If people wanted to bring down Tower 7 with a demolition team but then wanted to cover it up afterwards...
why would they make it look like a CONTROLLED demolition??
I haven't read all the responses, but doesn't anyone else think about this? If you wanted the building to come down and later blame it on structural damage/fires, why would you demolish it and make it look so clean and controlled? Why not just blow one side of it, and make it collapse crooked?
I don't know.
This is why i have for a long time backed away from discussing bombs in buildings.
By and large, most of the trouble i have swallowing 911 is government action or non action involving intelligence concerns, and then with the "evidence" they have presented.
For instance, how in gods name did they find a passport in the rubble at WTC?
Or how did they find DNA to use at WTC in order to implicate the terrorists, and where in gods name did they get the DNA to compare that to?
Why was the date imprint missing from the closed circuit video of the terrorists boarding the planes?
Why were border agents ordered to let known terrorists through at secruity, and told that "terrorist" was their cover?
Why were these terrorists trained at US military bases? Why were more than one FBI agent told to not investigate further when they said, "hey, i think Osama wants to use planes as missles against buildings, and they are training to fly planes"?
Why when the flight school in Florida called the FBI themselves and said, very alarmed, "We have middle eastern men here who want to learn to fly 747s. Do you know what that could mean!?!" were they deliberately ignored?
Why were the anual training drills involving basicaly the exact same events as 911 purposely rescheduled to the week and day of 911 instead of the month they were normaly held?
Why did Dick Cheney assign himself sole shoot down order authority just a month or two before 911?
Why did PNAC even mention "a new pearl harbor"?
Why were we meeting with ISI Chief Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad the day before and the day of 911, when he was the man who wired $100,000 to Mohammed Attah?
Why does the 911 Commission report totally ignore that wire transfer, or Mahmoud Ahmad in totality (save for 1 small footnote)?
Why are 7 CIA agents of distinction on record saying, "this stinks like a CIA job", and why do 2 well respected and credentialed foreign officials with intelligence backgrounds themselves say the same thing?
Why do we have records showing that Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset, and why haven't we caught him if we know who he is, what he does, and he was working for us?
Why would these men, who were known "intelligence assets" just suddenly turn on us, and how could they do it without any government foreknowledge?
How in the hell does a plane fly in to the most highly restricted airspace in the nation, over 45 minutes after two massive terrorist attacks, with NORAD, the entire FAA, and every available radar in the country looking for enemy aircraft (any aircraft without a transponder beacon is an enemy aircraft, and that is what NORAD is paid to find)?
How does a guy who failed flight tests, and received multiple extremely critical writeups from multiple flight instructors pull off a maneuveur that experienced pilots say they would have trouble pulling off, and how did he do it perfectly? He got the entire fuselage of the plane in to the bottom story of the pentagon without dragging a single plane part on the lawn, for which his clearance was literaly less than a few feet, all at 500 mph? That sounds a lot like "landing" to me (but very very fast!), and his own instructors said he had particular trouble landing. I guess Allah was on his side?
How do planes travel without transponders on hundreds of miles off course without anyone seeing them? Yes, you can see a plane without a transponder, it is an unidentified blip on your screen. The only blip on your screen with out airline identification information. You think someone would have seen that yes?
How come the NORAD and "official" accounts related to who in the FAA knew what and when they relayed that to CentCom contradicts the FAAs original statements significantly?
Do you really think NORAD and our entire trillion dollar MIC is incapable of tracking 2 or 3 "enemy" aircraft, particularly one headed straight for DC? ???
Why did Bush keep reading, "My Pet Goat"?
Why didn't the SS deem him to be in any danger?
Cheney admits he was rushed to a bunker, was Bush just left to die?
HERE ARE 500 QUESTIONS most all of which bare significant scrutiny on the official story, and in fact, if were ever answered would most likely end up contradicting large portions of it.
Read some of them.
Do they make you scratch your head at all?
It sure is peculiar how, in the face of repeated warnings, the government was totally helpless to stop 911, and yet after 911, they figured out what happend lickety split. Identified people, vehicles, dna, passports, names, photos etc ... in no time.
Hmm.
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I don't know.
This is why i have for a long time backed away from discussing bombs in buildings.
By and large, most of the trouble i have swallowing 911 is government action or non action involving intelligence concerns, and then with the "evidence" they have presented.
For instance, how in gods name did they find a passport in the rubble at WTC?
Or how did they find DNA to use at WTC in order to implicate the terrorists, and where in gods name did they get the DNA to compare that to?
Why was the date imprint missing from the closed circuit video of the terrorists boarding the planes?
Why were border agents ordered to let known terrorists through at secruity, and told that "terrorist" was their cover?
Why were these terrorists trained at US military bases? Why were more than one FBI agent told to not investigate further when they said, "hey, i think Osama wants to use planes as missles against buildings, and they are training to fly planes"?
Why when the flight school in Florida called the FBI themselves and said, very alarmed, "We have middle eastern men here who want to learn to fly 747s. Do you know what that could mean!?!" were they deliberately ignored?
Why were the anual training drills involving basicaly the exact same events as 911 purposely rescheduled to the week and day of 911 instead of the month they were normaly held?
Why did Dick Cheney assign himself sole shoot down order authority just a month or two before 911?
Why did PNAC even mention "a new pearl harbor"?
Why were we meeting with ISI Chief Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad the day before and the day of 911, when he was the man who wired $100,000 to Mohammed Attah?
Why does the 911 Commission report totally ignore that wire transfer, or Mahmoud Ahmad in totality (save for 1 small footnote)?
Why are 7 CIA agents of distinction on record saying, "this stinks like a CIA job", and why do 2 well respected and credentialed foreign officials with intelligence backgrounds themselves say the same thing?
Why do we have records showing that Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset, and why haven't we caught him if we know who he is, what he does, and he was working for us?
Why would these men, who were known "intelligence assets" just suddenly turn on us, and how could they do it without any government foreknowledge?
How in the hell does a plane fly in to the most highly restricted airspace in the nation, over 45 minutes after two massive terrorist attacks, with NORAD, the entire FAA, and every available radar in the country looking for enemy aircraft (any aircraft without a transponder beacon is an enemy aircraft, and that is what NORAD is paid to find)?
How does a guy who failed flight tests, and received multiple extremely critical writeups from multiple flight instructors pull off a maneuveur that experienced pilots say they would have trouble pulling off, and how did he do it perfectly? He got the entire fuselage of the plane in to the bottom story of the pentagon without dragging a single plane part on the lawn, for which his clearance was literaly less than a few feet, all at 500 mph? That sounds a lot like "landing" to me (but very very fast!), and his own instructors said he had particular trouble landing. I guess Allah was on his side?
How do planes travel without transponders on hundreds of miles off course without anyone seeing them? Yes, you can see a plane without a transponder, it is an unidentified blip on your screen. The only blip on your screen with out airline identification information. You think someone would have seen that yes?
How come the NORAD and "official" accounts related to who in the FAA knew what and when they relayed that to CentCom contradicts the FAAs original statements significantly?
Do you really think NORAD and our entire trillion dollar MIC is incapable of tracking 2 or 3 "enemy" aircraft, particularly one headed straight for DC? ???
Why did Bush keep reading, "My Pet Goat"?
Why didn't the SS deem him to be in any danger?
Cheney admits he was rushed to a bunker, was Bush just left to die?
HERE ARE 500 QUESTIONS most all of which bare significant scrutiny on the official story, and in fact, if were ever answered would most likely end up contradicting large portions of it.
Read some of them.
Do they make you scratch your head at all?
It sure is peculiar how, in the face of repeated warnings, the government was totally helpless to stop 911, and yet after 911, they figured out what happend lickety split. Identified people, vehicles, dna, passports, names, photos etc ... in no time.
Hmm.
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Yeah, that's really my point...unanswerable questions like "why ___??" can be asked from all sides of the inside-job conspiracy argument. In these types of events there will always be questions that go unanswered. So you end up going in circles trying to answer them with arguments which can just be countered with more questions that can't be answered. At some point, you just have to pick a few questions that you think are important and form a conclusion.
Yeah, that's really my point...unanswerable questions like "why ___??" can be asked from all sides of the inside-job conspiracy argument. In these types of events there will always be questions that go unanswered. So you end up going in circles trying to answer them with arguments which can just be countered with more questions that can't be answered. At some point, you just have to pick a few questions that you think are important and form a conclusion.
Right.
So where does that leave us?
I for one would like to see the government actually be honest and try to answer a few of those questions.
That they will not, imho, says a lot.
In fact the only rebuttals to most questions raised by the 911 Truthers go something like this, "You raise a lot of good points, and it looks fishy, but just think how silly and improbable it is."
Witness that article from CNN\Time up there.
What was the conclussion? It went for 2.5 pages basicaly agreeing with the 911 Truthers, then concludes with, "but at the end of the day, just forget about it, because it's silly."
Uh. No.
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i dont feel like reading this...however i have ruled nothing out... but is there a consensus that airplanes didnt hit the buildings??
Not yet.
CB_Brooklyn should be by shortly to help with the final coversion.
or watch this. When you mix bullshit with lots of ass, who can deny it.
[edit]damn it, hold on. yesterday it was hot ass, now its some divers, i'll find the ass[/edit]
[edit2]ah fuck. i guess the uploader replaced his vid. as you can tell from the still frame, it originaly had a bunch of 95% naked ass mixed in where that stupid diver is now. it was really funny. wtf[/edit]
[edit3]oh here is another one. minutes 4:30-5:30, lol[/edit]
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Hey, you sound like a *really* great person... take that as sarcasm or not...but unfortunately you have already shown your true colors here for all to see.
BTW name calling is what people do when they have nothing left upstairs to offer intellectually.
Shame you can't seem to break the habit.
Why is that?
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You actually think this thread is interesting, it is a joke.. I am just trying to put it to bed..
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I didn't get a chance to read the info in the link because I was at work, but I'll check it out soon.
Ok, if I really need to answer those questions, and explain things like why a 9/11 inside job would be more difficult to pull off than planting of WMD, here goes:
a) the sheer number of people involved to pull off 9/11 would be far greater than that of planting WMDs. Thus, keeping the information quiet would be far more difficult. People involved would include the terrorists (or those pesky actors or whoever they were that we hired to fly the planes), the CIA, FBI, Justice Dept, NY Police, etc, etc. Do you think 5-10 people in the Bush administration planned and pulled off 9/11? There would have been thousands of people involved. And all of them were for this plan to fly planes into the trade centers. No one felt bad about it and tried to come forward. No trace of evidence at all. Not an email, a phone call, or something proving the conspiracy, or at the very least, substantiating it in some way, shape, or form? How was all this communication accomplished in the months or years it took to plan 9/11 and no evidence has surfaced?
b) 8 years of pure incompetence from this administration. They were caught in scandal after scandal and lie after lie (Walter Reed, Firing of US Attorneys, Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame, Katrina, Iraq, Afghanistan, Homeland Security, Cheyney's Energy Policy, Global Warming, the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Miers, FDA, EPA, black prisons and torture, the Economy, War on Science, etc, etc, etc). The Bush administration can't even forge a WMD document. They can't sufficiently cover anything up, but they can somehow pull off such a large scale plot like 9/11 without leaving some sort of paper trail. It's totally illogicial.
Where's Bin Laden? We can pull off 9/11, but can't capture Bin Laden? Or do anything else right for that matter. Think about it, if you had the capability, intelligence, resources, time, and all the other neat things that Bush would need for 9/11 to be an inside job, then why would you fuck up everything else? Why create all that controversy? As a diversion to appear inept so the country wouldn't think you were capable of doing 9/11? That's an unimaginable stretch. It would be more sensible to do everything else right and get the country and the world's trust, instead of making everyone hate you and turning international support into worldwide condemnation. If all you do is lie and lie as president, then we should question his truthfulness when he says 9/11 wasn't an inside job. That's the only logical connection to this conspiracy.
Lets try this another way
when an institution that is established and funded to STOP enemy threats IS INSTEAD fully aware of, tracking, training, and abeiting that threat ...
... further, the chain of command of those institutions is actualy STONE WALLING the good agents who have reported such threats, demoting, firing, threatining, and otherwise obstructing their efforts ... when they tell these agents, "you will not go near any Saudi Arabian suspects", and 16 of the 19 hijackers turn out to be, gasp, Saudi, and then they send memos to border guards ordering them to let said terrorists in to the country, meet with the man who wired them $100,000 in a government building the day before AND the day of 911, and deliberately reschedule a massive airline hijacking war games exercise to the week of 911 when it has been held anualy in another month for quite some time ... oh and Dick Cheney in August has sole "shoot down order" authority assigned to him in sole ...
... you start adding all that shit up ... and then low and behold, no planes got shot down, and all these terrorists that we knew about, were tracking, had trained, and deliberately kept agents off their trail go plowing those plains in to a building ...
... where exactly is the difference between "doing nothing" and "planning the whole thing" ?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Why would they want to capture Bin Ladin when he's part of the plot? The bin Ladens and bush's are actually pretty tight.
Fair enough. Care to comment on anything else I said?
One more thing. If the conspiracy was that Bush and Bin Laden were in on 9/11 together, and Bush just allowed the terrorist attack to happen, it would actually be believable versus the notion this adminstration planted bombs and that's what brought down the towers instead of the planes that flew into them.
Saying so does nothing make it so except within the confines between your ears alone.
It impacts everything, and has set the world on a completely new course. It's far from a joke by any means. There are so many suspicious and interconnected events surrounding it on so many levels it absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention all the flawed science.
From any angle one can slice it, this apple appears rotten.
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Where's Bin Laden? We can pull off 9/11, but can't capture Bin Laden?
Exactly. Bin Laden was part of the deal.
We wouldn't dare capture him and piss off our little buddies the Saudis. We had a chance numerous times and deliberately delayed the trigger. There are also rumors that he has either been killed by someone, or had some sort of terminal kidney problem (i think it was kidneys, anyhow) ... so he could actualy be dead now, anyhow. But saying so sure wouldn't help us continue this phoney war on terror. Why in gods name would they have wanted to capture him anyhow? Assuming he WAS really responsible? Like i said, no Bin Laden = lots more war. "Well, we're still looking for him." ... all though, they haven't even needed to use that. They just talk about his buddies, "Al Qaeda" being in Iraq now.
As far as who needed to be in on 911, you are totally wrong.
SOME members of the CIA, and i mean at the top, maybe the same for the FBI, maybe not (with JFK, Hoover of the FBI seems to have been left in the dark, and also possibly blackmailed in to silence) ... the NYPD would not need to know dick, i'm pretty sure no one in the Justice Dept. really needed to no dick, and the only person on the 911 Commission who needed to know dick was the Executive Director, Condy's good buddy, Phillip Zelikow. Notice they TRIED to appoint KISSINGER -- a man who has talked about a "new world order" repeatedly, and at length.
Hmm.
So how many people needed to know?
Well i suspect Cheney knew, thats for damn sure.
That makes 1.
Maybe Bush knew, maybe he was purposely left in the dark about most of it, but probably he knew.
2
Condy Rice, she lied repeatedly about it.
3
Rumsfeld, probably, but maybe not. will give him .5 point.
3.5
Lets say 3 or 4 well placed high ranking CFR scum CIA officers at the top
8-10
And honestly, thats about it.
You want to add some FBI agents?
Add a few more here and there too?
Thats fair, someone at NORAD was in on it, you're right.
Lets make it 30, hell.
30 - 10 who are 100% trustworthy, they are at the top of the pack of bullshit. If they came out about it, they are all going to get tried and hung for treason.
What about the other 20, if they were really that instrumental, same thing. Tried and "hung".
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How many people do you really think it takes to stonewall well meaning agents, and make it too difficult for good pilots in F16s to scramble, or good agents to get them detained beforehand?
Anything else needed could be done by the terrorists themselves, provided the CIA or FBI agents at the top (in on it) were able to keep their dogs off the trail long enough to let it happen. The only other matter was letting them back in to the country.
You still fail to address how we could be so stupid as to not know about agents that WE HAD TRAINED. We trained these fuckers. What say you to that? Why did we let them back through the borders? Why did we meet with the guy from Pakistani ISI who wired Attah 100k on the day before and of 911? We repeatedly answer the questions posed by non-truthers, how come ya'll ALWAYS gloss over the questions posed by us?
???
And why would all these people in my title post come forward about it?
You just said, "How come no one has come forward?" and my freaking title post has SEVEN CIA officers who have said so, a former Italian President and intelligence service member himself, a very high ranking german parliament member and former intelligence officer, and our good "buddy", Mr. Chavez.
So, okay, with the exception of ole Chavez who you can obviously argue has a motive to lie, what about the good men from the CIA who appear credible on the face and would know better than you what the CIA is and is not capable of, and the foreign intelligence and political figures who claim the same? What of them?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
So you're saying that some men in robes and sandals operating out of cave would stand a better chance of pulling this off than the United States gov't? Interesting and a bit illogical to me.
And most of the examples of incompetence you gave weren't examples of stupidity but rather, things they didn't give a shit about anyway or simply wanted in the first place. It's no surprise that greedy, manipulating, power driven people would fail when it comes to looking out for the people. I know plenty of greedy assholes who are intelligent but that doesn't mean they care for the less fortunate or the common man. They don't care what happens to them...their only effort lies in lining their pockets further. Katrina victims, dead Iraqis and soldiers...just don't get too much consideration when they are planning their agenda.
Everytime people bring up examples of where they failed to cover their tracks you guy never pay it any attention. Just like the link I posted to you earlier. People have brought up huge holes and inconsistencies in the official story and you guys just don't want to even discuss it.
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Which only shows how incapable they were to disocover a plot like 9/11. The true leaders of the US are much more capable than bush and co, though co might be the ones pulling hte strings. again the Bin Ladens' and the Bush's are are on the same side, they are both making billions of this war war on terror.
that's pretty nuts... Kissinger as choice #1 omg...
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Yeah, Kissinger Associates (the company) is some shady shit itself. What an assfucker he is. That guy is like 1 step below Himmler on the POS list. :(
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I appreciate your dedication to this subject.. I just can't believe even George Bush would want all this blood on his hands.. I just seems a little too much for me.. If it is true, we are all doomed....I just have more faith in humanity that that..
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COINTELPRO?
ahahahahaaa
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George Bush wants what is best for George Bush.
What if The Powers That Be told him, "look, either go along with this, or we are going to run it all over the news 24\7 that you were incompetent and need to be impeached and charged for negligence on the job."
Or some shit?
Don't forget who you are dealing with.
Bush is just a puppet.
He is also an evil sick fuck if you ask me, so i don't think he had too many problems with it.
You REALLY need to get over this "more faith in humanity" crap.
Didn't you learn ANYTHING from the 20th century alone
???
How many good men were murdered, and how many maniacal sociopathic sycophant dictators killed millions of their own to further their agendas?
Blind faith in ANYTHING, much less in something as vague and incomprehensible as "humanity" is pretty scary.
You want to talk about a impossible conspiracy?
A conspiracy to make all people inherently "good" ... that takes the cake!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If Bin Laden was part of the deal, then what's in it for him, and more importantly, what's in it for us?
There would definitely be a lot more than 30 people involved. There were, what 12 terrorists on the planes. Plus Bin Laden. So only 17 or so more people were involved with pulling off this unprecedented and well planned attack? The theory is that the govt planted bombs and blew up the wtc's, right? So where did the explosives come from? Who bought them or stole them? Who installed them at the trade centers? No one saw this happen btw? So were people paid off to look the other way? Who drove or flew the explosives to NY? How did they get past security. Who fired the missile at the plane that hit the pentagon, or supposedly crashed the plane in PA? Who looked the other way to make this happen. How many people just in those examples would have to be involved? I could go on and on but hopefully you see how large of an operation this would be and how many people that would have to be involved at every level.
I could answer all those questions, but this sums it up. Did you ever think that there is a conspiracy to cover up information, but not that of a plot to bomb our own country, rather one to cover up the ineptitude and failures involved with our govt not being able to stop 9/11?
We let them back through our borders just like we let the guy back through with tuberculosis. Communication failures. Laziness. They trained here and no alarm flags were raised to connect the dots. Any analyst can look at a trend of all the Bush administration failures over the last 8 years and rank 9/11 as the same. They overlooked key triggers that could have stopped the attack because of all the bureaucractic bullshit. I mean, I just saw on the news the other night that we have a govt agency trying to kill the population of this woodland animal (can't remember what it was) and another govt agency that's set up to protect it. They're working against each other and no one knew it. Where's the communication? This administration has fucked up so many times, in so many ways, I'm more inclined to believe that they're hiding evidence of massive failures within agencies at every level to stop the attack instead of hiding evidence that they planned and carried it out themselves.
No. I'm saying it's absolutely implausible that the Bush administration was behind 9/11.
Look, I believe Bush and co lied and intentionally misled the country about the reasons for going to war. And I believe they're lying to us about 9/11. But they're not covering up the evidence of the govt plotting the attack, but rather the govts failure to stop it.
No, I don't. I asked you about how world government will come into existence in your other thread. I asked how world government can exist without the cooperation of people like Hu Jintao, Putin or Zubkov, Castro, Ahmadinejad and Chavez. People who I think are not fond of forming a world government with America. You answered our government leaders lie to us, they betray us, they tell us we get no say in this. And you cited an article about Gordon Brown, if I remember correctly. But if Chavez, Putin and Hu Jintao don't want a global government with America, how will it happen?
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Do you know what a god complex is?
Just answer my question in your other thread. Not with an article about Gorden Brown or Angela Merkel, not with a youtube video on Skull & Bones or the Illuminati. So tell me how the world leader who want world government are going to convince Putin it's a good idea, or how they'll brainwash the entire world into war with Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela...
Objectively. I'm sorry but you are certainly not objective. You make everything into a world conspiracy (I'm not saying you are not right), but you are not objective. You read a million things into that video (from the other thread) that weren't there. You exaggerate and you make connections, draw links and come to conclusions without proof. That is not what you'd call objective.
I'm not sure if I should see this as an insult.
It is you.
Speculating wildly:
Walter Cronkite:
"Today we must develop federal structures on a global level, to deal with world problems we need a system of inforceable world law, a democratic federal world government."
Hillary:
"For decades you told us the way it is, but tonight we honour you for fighting for the way it could be"
you:
"Hillary Clinton wants to subvert the constitution and put you under the control of WOLRD Government.
No conspiracy needed.
She just said it."
Well, she didn't say that. And unless you have hard evidence that the WFM wants to enslave us through world government, aren't you the one who is speculating wildly? Where exactly is your proof?
Dodging questions? Remember my question about Chavez, Putin etc. and you answered that Gordon Brown tells the British what to do?
Making one line responses? You make a million of them, all in one post, though.
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You tell me where you get that "the tensile strength of the steel all the way down the building was compromised instantaneously at the speed of gravity"? Again, your wording sounds good and someone said it and you followed it blindly, but what you are saying makes no sense.
And you are also wrong on saying that when basic physics and science is applied it doesn't make sense. That is when it makes perfectly good sense!
And where in the hell do you get it was a perfectly uniform collapse? Oh I know, it makes it sound interesting and that ballistics had to be used. Read the ballistics experts report again and then repeat 10 times to yourself "it was not a perfectly uniform collapse and i need to stop making up things and stop taking videos that people post on the internet as fact"
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I'll take an easy swipe at the motive.....Money, power and even more control of the middle east then they already had. Pipelines that go through Afgan. The oil in Iraq. WMD need not be brought into this discussion when you have a super visual such as 911 to run over and over again.
Where is Soulshining and the dude from Chicage who call us a bunch of nuts but can believe that the government is only lying about the plane being "shot down" over Penn. That one still makes me laugh. It is only a little lie I guess and they can't be that corrupt if they are only lying about that one plane and story. ha ha That has to be the best I've read on here when it comes to calling people dumb for the "conspiracy" belief and then believing a little bit of it yourself. Sic!!
But the people who could pull that type of thing off are already powerful, and already rich. Plus if terrorists were already doing or at least planning things like that anyways (USS Cole, The London Bombings (or were those government operations too)) why would the government go out of the way to make people scared when the terrorists already had that covered?
It referred to video footage..And notice how Mr. sensitive has nothing to say regarding the very credible article. Maybe just ONCE it would be nice for the people in this thread to admit that they are not experts and acknowledge that they have no clue of the content they attempt to talk intelligently about. We all can google articles..
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-1,00.html
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Watch tower #7....comes down like a textbook demolition. I am even having to say this why exactly?
Look up tensile strength, Better yet try to break a pencil by standing it upright in a vice and break it with something by hitting it perfectly on it's end. v.s. simply snapping it like a twig sideways the normal way. Or better yet use a metal rod and a massive sledge hammer and try to even just bend the rod.
Just use your eyes to see how fast the buildings come down while picturing the above reality. And yes, it makes complete sense what I'm saying.
So anyway where's the part where anyone explains how the tensile structural integrity of the metal was somehow magically defeated all the way down the building in essentially free fall speed (gravity) without any protest.
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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why would they make it look like a CONTROLLED demolition??
I haven't read all the responses, but doesn't anyone else think about this? If you wanted the building to come down and later blame it on structural damage/fires, why would you demolish it and make it look so clean and controlled? Why not just blow one side of it, and make it collapse crooked?
I don't know.
This is why i have for a long time backed away from discussing bombs in buildings.
By and large, most of the trouble i have swallowing 911 is government action or non action involving intelligence concerns, and then with the "evidence" they have presented.
For instance, how in gods name did they find a passport in the rubble at WTC?
Or how did they find DNA to use at WTC in order to implicate the terrorists, and where in gods name did they get the DNA to compare that to?
Why was the date imprint missing from the closed circuit video of the terrorists boarding the planes?
Why were border agents ordered to let known terrorists through at secruity, and told that "terrorist" was their cover?
Why were these terrorists trained at US military bases? Why were more than one FBI agent told to not investigate further when they said, "hey, i think Osama wants to use planes as missles against buildings, and they are training to fly planes"?
Why when the flight school in Florida called the FBI themselves and said, very alarmed, "We have middle eastern men here who want to learn to fly 747s. Do you know what that could mean!?!" were they deliberately ignored?
Why were the anual training drills involving basicaly the exact same events as 911 purposely rescheduled to the week and day of 911 instead of the month they were normaly held?
Why did Dick Cheney assign himself sole shoot down order authority just a month or two before 911?
Why did PNAC even mention "a new pearl harbor"?
Why were we meeting with ISI Chief Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad the day before and the day of 911, when he was the man who wired $100,000 to Mohammed Attah?
Why does the 911 Commission report totally ignore that wire transfer, or Mahmoud Ahmad in totality (save for 1 small footnote)?
Why are 7 CIA agents of distinction on record saying, "this stinks like a CIA job", and why do 2 well respected and credentialed foreign officials with intelligence backgrounds themselves say the same thing?
Why do we have records showing that Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset, and why haven't we caught him if we know who he is, what he does, and he was working for us?
Why would these men, who were known "intelligence assets" just suddenly turn on us, and how could they do it without any government foreknowledge?
How in the hell does a plane fly in to the most highly restricted airspace in the nation, over 45 minutes after two massive terrorist attacks, with NORAD, the entire FAA, and every available radar in the country looking for enemy aircraft (any aircraft without a transponder beacon is an enemy aircraft, and that is what NORAD is paid to find)?
How does a guy who failed flight tests, and received multiple extremely critical writeups from multiple flight instructors pull off a maneuveur that experienced pilots say they would have trouble pulling off, and how did he do it perfectly? He got the entire fuselage of the plane in to the bottom story of the pentagon without dragging a single plane part on the lawn, for which his clearance was literaly less than a few feet, all at 500 mph? That sounds a lot like "landing" to me (but very very fast!), and his own instructors said he had particular trouble landing. I guess Allah was on his side?
How do planes travel without transponders on hundreds of miles off course without anyone seeing them? Yes, you can see a plane without a transponder, it is an unidentified blip on your screen. The only blip on your screen with out airline identification information. You think someone would have seen that yes?
How come the NORAD and "official" accounts related to who in the FAA knew what and when they relayed that to CentCom contradicts the FAAs original statements significantly?
Do you really think NORAD and our entire trillion dollar MIC is incapable of tracking 2 or 3 "enemy" aircraft, particularly one headed straight for DC? ???
Why did Bush keep reading, "My Pet Goat"?
Why didn't the SS deem him to be in any danger?
Cheney admits he was rushed to a bunker, was Bush just left to die?
HERE ARE 500 QUESTIONS most all of which bare significant scrutiny on the official story, and in fact, if were ever answered would most likely end up contradicting large portions of it.
Read some of them.
Do they make you scratch your head at all?
It sure is peculiar how, in the face of repeated warnings, the government was totally helpless to stop 911, and yet after 911, they figured out what happend lickety split. Identified people, vehicles, dna, passports, names, photos etc ... in no time.
Hmm.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
Right.
So where does that leave us?
I for one would like to see the government actually be honest and try to answer a few of those questions.
That they will not, imho, says a lot.
In fact the only rebuttals to most questions raised by the 911 Truthers go something like this, "You raise a lot of good points, and it looks fishy, but just think how silly and improbable it is."
Witness that article from CNN\Time up there.
What was the conclussion? It went for 2.5 pages basicaly agreeing with the 911 Truthers, then concludes with, "but at the end of the day, just forget about it, because it's silly."
Uh. No.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Not yet.
CB_Brooklyn should be by shortly to help with the final coversion.
or watch this. When you mix bullshit with lots of ass, who can deny it.
[edit]damn it, hold on. yesterday it was hot ass, now its some divers, i'll find the ass[/edit]
[edit2]ah fuck. i guess the uploader replaced his vid. as you can tell from the still frame, it originaly had a bunch of 95% naked ass mixed in where that stupid diver is now. it was really funny. wtf[/edit]
[edit3]oh here is another one. minutes 4:30-5:30, lol[/edit]
If I opened it now would you not understand?