Why does Pearl Jam totally disregard Binaural?

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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,109
    edited October 18
    PB11041 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    KN219077 said:
    The songs on the record weren’t the problem, there are some real gems on there, it just lacked that certain fire that the previous albums had and the mastering left the record sounding muddy if it wasn’t played on a high end system, it was a mistake at a time when things were moving digital fast.  Overall the album feels dull, and to be honest, just unispired. It would have been a shame if they called it quits there because Riot Act and Avacado showed fans they still have some great material left to share
    Yikes.
    I feel the exact opposite of you, lol. I think it's their best album. It is certainly a more sullen and dark album, but dull and uninspired and bad sound??! I know we all have our opinions and it's subjective, but I feel like you've just called my baby ugly or said my ass looks fat in this dress. :lol: ;)
    While your ass may look fat in your dress, your baby is not ugly and neither is Binaural.    This is a sentiment I cannot wrap my head around.  I think in the great hindsight is you know 20/20 (which as it turns out is okay but not the best) arguments can be made for putting Fatal, Education and Sad on the record.


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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,938
    PJ_Soul said:
    KN219077 said:
    The songs on the record weren’t the problem, there are some real gems on there, it just lacked that certain fire that the previous albums had and the mastering left the record sounding muddy if it wasn’t played on a high end system, it was a mistake at a time when things were moving digital fast.  Overall the album feels dull, and to be honest, just unispired. It would have been a shame if they called it quits there because Riot Act and Avacado showed fans they still have some great material left to share
    Yikes.
    I feel the exact opposite of you, lol. I think it's their best album. It is certainly a more sullen and dark album, but dull and uninspired and bad sound??! I know we all have our opinions and it's subjective, but I feel like you've just called my baby ugly or said my ass looks fat in this dress. :lol: ;)
    same....great album
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Yikes.
    I feel the exact opposite of you, lol. I think it's their best album. It is certainly a more sullen and dark album, but dull and uninspired and bad sound??! I know we all have our opinions and it's subjective, but I feel like you've just called my baby ugly or said my ass looks fat in this dress. :lol: ;)
    I love this album, too. PJ is at their best when sullen and dark. In fact, I hope their next album is titled "Sullen and Dark".  
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 43,515
    edited October 18
    PB11041 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    KN219077 said:
    The songs on the record weren’t the problem, there are some real gems on there, it just lacked that certain fire that the previous albums had and the mastering left the record sounding muddy if it wasn’t played on a high end system, it was a mistake at a time when things were moving digital fast.  Overall the album feels dull, and to be honest, just unispired. It would have been a shame if they called it quits there because Riot Act and Avacado showed fans they still have some great material left to share
    Yikes.
    I feel the exact opposite of you, lol. I think it's their best album. It is certainly a more sullen and dark album, but dull and uninspired and bad sound??! I know we all have our opinions and it's subjective, but I feel like you've just called my baby ugly or said my ass looks fat in this dress. :lol: ;)
    While your ass may look fat in your dress, your baby is not ugly and neither is Binaural.    This is a sentiment I cannot wrap my head around.  I think in the great hindsight is you know 20/20 (which as it turns out is okay but not the best) arguments can be made for putting Fatal, Education and Sad on the record.


    I know some people think that... I just happen to think that Binaural is perfect just the way it is, and really hate thinking about it changing at all.
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  • JT167846JT167846 Posts: 104
    Binaural to me is like the worst blowjob I ever had.
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    Binaural to me is like the worst blowjob I ever had.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 43,515
    JT167846 said:
    Binaural to me is like the worst blowjob I ever had.
    So still good?
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  • PJ_Soul said:
    JT167846 said:
    Binaural to me is like the worst blowjob I ever had.
    So still good?
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  • KN219077KN219077 MontanaPosts: 215
    PJ_Soul said:
    KN219077 said:
    The songs on the record weren’t the problem, there are some real gems on there, it just lacked that certain fire that the previous albums had and the mastering left the record sounding muddy if it wasn’t played on a high end system, it was a mistake at a time when things were moving digital fast.  Overall the album feels dull, and to be honest, just unispired. It would have been a shame if they called it quits there because Riot Act and Avacado showed fans they still have some great material left to share
    Yikes.
    I feel the exact opposite of you, lol. I think it's their best album. It is certainly a more sullen and dark album, but dull and uninspired and bad sound??! I know we all have our opinions and it's subjective, but I feel like you've just called my baby ugly or said my ass looks fat in this dress. :lol: ;)
    I love the songs themselves, light years and grievance are two of my favorite songs, I guess I was speaking more to the sound and feel of the album. I feel like if it were produced like yield it would probably be my favorite.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 9,297
    edited October 20
    JT167846 said:
    Binaural to me is like the worst blowjob I ever had.
    Man, you've been one lucky guy then. No scrapers at all.
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  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA AustraliaPosts: 2,087
    PJNB said:
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    mcgruff10 said:
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    its sad they dont play more of binaural..its a masterpiece...
    It is impossible to be a masterpiece when evacuation is on it. 
      its a masterpiece when this song has the best druming of matt
      I don’t care what type of drumming there is it is still a crappy song.  There wasn’t too much crowd energy when they played it in 2000. I d ask your personal opinion on that but only one of us saw them that tour. ;)
    this song has the best drumming of matt,,enough said
    What did you think of Matt s drumming of this song in 03? Wait a second, you didn’t see them that tour either huh? ;)   I ll give you a first hand account: it still wasn’t good live. If it was they’d play it more often. 
        saw them more times than u tho..nanana nanana
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    the biggest problem is,,we didnt saw them together ,,that sucks!
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    yes,im going to australia even for festivals,i dont mind
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  • EnterThanmanEnterThanman London, ONPosts: 1,035
    edited October 29
    Might fall into songs that are too complicated to play. Several band members have mentioned liking the easier songs to play somewhere, sometime.
    No way....I play guitar.  None of those songs are anymore difficult to play than RVM, GTF, etc.
    Simple could also mean song structure. RVM is a very simple song structure, with very simple timing,  where as Grievance is not. There’s zero chance anyone in the band (aside from maybe Eddie) would struggle with the playing of any song in their catalogue, but structurally a song with odd timing or strange punctuations might just not be as fun to play.
    Trust me... That's not why. Practice it twice and it's done. 
    That wasn’t really my point though. They can play all their material easily, there’s nbootlegger10 said:
    Might fall into songs that are too complicated to play. Several band members have mentioned liking the easier songs to play somewhere, sometime.
    No way....I play guitar.  None of those songs are anymore difficult to play than RVM, GTF, etc.
    Simple could also mean song structure. RVM is a very simple song structure, with very simple timing,  where as Grievance is not. There’s zero chance anyone in the band (aside from maybe Eddie) would struggle with the playing of any song in their catalogue, but structurally a song with odd timing or strange punctuations might just not be as fun to play.
    Trust me... That's not why. Practice it twice and it's done. 

    Yeah, these folks are pros.  And the songs I think Stone was referring to as being more difficult to play live are from the earlier albums like Ten and Vs. 
    Did you guys even read what I said? I said not as fun to play; not that they find them hard to play. Anyone who plays an instruments know that some songs are more fun to play than others. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 19,655
    They are probably just not into any of the songs anymore plus they don't tour that much , so when they do some shows they just go for middle of the road songs ...Actions speak louder than words they just don't like touring anymore ...
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    Great cover, sans beejay.
  • JammalamboJammalambo Posts: 1,077

    Binauraljob is my fav... I mean, Binaural is my favorite album.
  • PJinILPJinIL satan's bedPosts: 385
    I love Binaural and Riot Act, and while they band could certainly dust off some tunes, there are some complexities of timing and syncopation. Maybe not too difficult to play, but doing some of these songs from memory (without a chart, etc) could be tricky to really nail live and would take more than a couple whacks at soundcheck. It's not individual abilities, but the ability to pull off those timings and rhythms as a band. Moreso with Binaural than Riot Act.  
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 43,515
    edited October 30

    They are probably just not into any of the songs anymore plus they don't tour that much , so when they do some shows they just go for middle of the road songs ...Actions speak louder than words they just don't like touring anymore ...
    I can agree with that last part at least. I do think they still love some of their songs, but they don't want to be on tour anyhow so it doesn't much matter that they do. They can still put on a good show of course... but.... the changes we see in them and their decisions lately make it obvious that their hearts aren't in it like they used to be. Not to mention their last two albums.

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  • JammalamboJammalambo Posts: 1,077
    PJ_Soul said:

    They are probably just not into any of the songs anymore plus they don't tour that much , so when they do some shows they just go for middle of the road songs ...Actions speak louder than words they just don't like touring anymore ...
    I can agree with that last part at least. I do think they still love some of their songs, but they don't want to be on tour anyhow so it doesn't much matter that they do. They can still put on a good show of course... but.... the changes we see in them and their decisions lately make it obvious that their hearts aren't in it like they used to be. Not to mention their last two albums.

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    No code Yeild, Binaural, RiotAct are there best thus far


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  • foodboyfoodboy Posts: 825
    whole album played in toronto 2016. incredible. probably won't happen again.  i was the one who asked for a special show and they didn't let me or anyone who appreciated it down. truly a great evening.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,514
    foodboy said:
    whole album played in toronto 2016. incredible. probably won't happen again.  i was the one who asked for a special show and they didn't let me or anyone who appreciated it down. truly a great evening.
    You were the one guy out of 15,000 who asked for a special show?
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    foodboy said:
    whole album played in toronto 2016. incredible. probably won't happen again.  i was the one who asked for a special show and they didn't let me or anyone who appreciated it down. truly a great evening.
    Made me LOL. Nicely done.
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  • rummyrummy Ontario, CanadaPosts: 2,306
    I was there. I love Binaural. However, I don't think a good chuck of the audience was too impressed by the decision to play this album in its entirety.
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  • jordan kjordan k Posts: 190
    I was on the floor up front and everyone seemed to enjoy it down there. But I can see why the more casual fans may not have dug it as much.
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  • rummyrummy Ontario, CanadaPosts: 2,306
    jordan k said:
    I was on the floor up front and everyone seemed to enjoy it down there. But I can see why the more casual fans may not have dug it as much.
    Admittedly, I was in reserved seating (had 10c tickets...my number's not so great) so there definitely would have been more casual fans in my section then on the floor.
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