I meant that their thought process make logical sense. But really, do you seriously expect everyone to know the origin of every single cultural behaviour we have? It seems bit unfair to call out ignorance on that one. It kind of ignores the basic tenets of culture and human nature IMO. I understand your argument theoretically, but I don't think it stands up to plain old reality. Your expectations are wildly unrealistic here.
FWIW, I did know there was some historical explanation behind the act (just because I know almost every social norm has something like that behind it), and I definitely still do think those who don't remove their hats during the National Anthem are rude. They understand the meaning it conveys as well as the rest of us do, and I do think it is a willful act of disrespect and social propriety... which I even find interesting myself, because in many ways I do not follow social norms at all. But when it comes to basic manners (and I think this issue is in that category), I'm actually still a bit of a stickler. I only start deviating when it actually has a real impact on people's lives.
yes, I agree that their thought process makes logical sense. But as displayed in this thread (and many others), people get all fucking upset about someone being "rude" and they don't even know why they believe that act/inact to be rude. Even when you question them, they don't bother to educate themselves or question it. "that's the way it is, so do it!" , or "don't be a dick!". "but why am I a dick?" "Doesn't matter, don't be a dick!".
I don't expect everyone to know the origin of every custom, of course not. I don't. I only research ones when it comes to mind. And when I have time. or the interest. But this is why when I find myself having a judgy thought, I think "hmmm....maybe I don't know the reason behind (insert act/inact here)", and but that since it also doesn't affect me personally, I don't give a fuck. That's the real point here, is that people are too quick to judge, and most of the time don't even have a clue why. nor does it really affect them. so they need to just calm the fuck down and let people live their lives.
That's the real point here, is that people are too quick to judge, and most of the time don't even have a clue why. nor does it really affect them. so they need to just calm the fuck down and let people live their lives.
That's the real point here, is that people are too quick to judge, and most of the time don't even have a clue why. nor does it really affect them. so they need to just calm the fuck down and let people live their lives.
agreed
but then you are judging us for judging them making you quick to judge which makes you judges like us judges.
That's the real point here, is that people are too quick to judge, and most of the time don't even have a clue why. nor does it really affect them. so they need to just calm the fuck down and let people live their lives.
agreed
but then you are judging us for judging them making you quick to judge which makes you judges like us judges.
ps: take your hat off
Except for the fact that they've got a bit more information to work with.
That's the real point here, is that people are too quick to judge, and most of the time don't even have a clue why. nor does it really affect them. so they need to just calm the fuck down and let people live their lives.
agreed
but then you are judging us for judging them making you quick to judge which makes you judges like us judges.
ps: take your hat off
that's not how it works. simply saying "fuck off and let me live my life" is not judging.
I've posted this incident before last year but this thread brought up a question of praying/grace at others homes or something like that.
I was at a potluck dinner at the outlaws, it was outside. As the host said dinner is ready I actually didn't hear her say let's take a minute to say grace. My kids and I just started helping ourselves and my son turned to me and said "Dad what are they doing"? I had no answer that would be of reasoning to a young mind so I let the zombies continue to stand like statues listening to a chant while we carried on getting our food. Later no less that 10 people came up to me privately (mostly ones I didn't know) and said "I hate saying grace, I don't even believe that also". We have had a few dinners since and grace has not been said since (while we are there).
Here's a fun story. I went to watch my niece-in-law play in her volleyball tournament. The coach kept yelling at the team "Take off your hats!". Of course I was confused bc volleyball players obviously don't wear hats. It was coach's polite way of telling the team to get their heads out of their asses.
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Here's a fun story. I went to watch my niece-in-law play in her volleyball tournament. The coach kept yelling at the team "Take off your hats!". Of course I was confused bc volleyball players obviously don't wear hats. It was coach's polite way of telling the team to get their heads out of their asses.
I've posted this incident before last year but this thread brought up a question of praying/grace at others homes or something like that.
I was at a potluck dinner at the outlaws, it was outside. As the host said dinner is ready I actually didn't hear her say let's take a minute to say grace. My kids and I just started helping ourselves and my son turned to me and said "Dad what are they doing"? I had no answer that would be of reasoning to a young mind so I let the zombies continue to stand like statues listening to a chant while we carried on getting our food. Later no less that 10 people came up to me privately (mostly ones I didn't know) and said "I hate saying grace, I don't even believe that also". We have had a few dinners since and grace has not been said since (while we are there).
I've posted this incident before last year but this thread brought up a question of praying/grace at others homes or something like that.
I was at a potluck dinner at the outlaws, it was outside. As the host said dinner is ready I actually didn't hear her say let's take a minute to say grace. My kids and I just started helping ourselves and my son turned to me and said "Dad what are they doing"? I had no answer that would be of reasoning to a young mind so I let the zombies continue to stand like statues listening to a chant while we carried on getting our food. Later no less that 10 people came up to me privately (mostly ones I didn't know) and said "I hate saying grace, I don't even believe that also". We have had a few dinners since and grace has not been said since (while we are there).
1 out of 50!of your posts are very enjoyable. 49 before the next one that makes me laugh.
Gentlemen also take their hats off while indoors, especially while dining. I always take it off when I am seated at the table.
I open the door and hand it off to anyone but I hold it open to allow ladies to enter first.
All of those make much more sense than removing a hat. Except holding a door for a woman, that one's off. You should hold a door for a human, regardless of what type of human.
The same people defending the taking off the hat, are probably the ones who don't hold doors for people. Just saying. If you're going to call someone an asshole over a hat, man you better be a perfect person.
Next time I'm at a game I'm only going to wear a hat during the anthem and then take it off the rest of the time. That should get some interesting reactions.
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I don't expect everyone to know the origin of every custom, of course not. I don't. I only research ones when it comes to mind. And when I have time. or the interest. But this is why when I find myself having a judgy thought, I think "hmmm....maybe I don't know the reason behind (insert act/inact here)", and but that since it also doesn't affect me personally, I don't give a fuck. That's the real point here, is that people are too quick to judge, and most of the time don't even have a clue why. nor does it really affect them. so they need to just calm the fuck down and let people live their lives.
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I was at a potluck dinner at the outlaws, it was outside. As the host said dinner is ready I actually didn't hear her say let's take a minute to say grace. My kids and I just started helping ourselves and my son turned to me and said "Dad what are they doing"? I had no answer that would be of reasoning to a young mind so I let the zombies continue to stand like statues listening to a chant while we carried on getting our food. Later no less that 10 people came up to me privately (mostly ones I didn't know) and said "I hate saying grace, I don't even believe that also". We have had a few dinners since and grace has not been said since (while we are there).
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If I was wearing a hat I would tip it or take it off to say thanks to you sir.
I just can't remember if I own a hat or not.
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The same people defending the taking off the hat, are probably the ones who don't hold doors for people. Just saying.
If you're going to call someone an asshole over a hat, man you better be a perfect person.
Regurgitated info that was already mentioned. But happy one year to this thread anyways lol.
Maybe I will run a social experiment and see how many people actually address me if I choose to keep my hat on during the anthem.
Cincinnati 2014
Greenville 2016
(Raleigh 2016)
Columbia 2016
Cincinnati 2014
Greenville 2016
(Raleigh 2016)
Columbia 2016