You have people willing to work for a wage, yet insist that they should not.
Would you prefer they be on welfare, or starve?
I would prefer a universal basic income, which is neither
Close the borders, end all other welfare first Zuck.
Why do you want to remove all incentive for people to achieve?
Why not just end the income tax and let people keep what they earn?
Geezuz, Unsung.
Youre not thinking so good here. For example, If you don't tax people... how are you going to reinforce your borders?
Aye-yay-aye.
C'mon, Thirty, you're being unfair. Don't you know that people will voluntarily work to patrol the borders, just like they'll voluntarily work to build the roads and other infrastructure?
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Your reality consists of paying people to do nothing and actually believing that the money won't run out.
when the money runs out, we just borrow more from china, problem solved!
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We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy. I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other. Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another.
There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy. I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other. Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another.
There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...
Yes Brian, you are correct that it works in a fictional landscape.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy. I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other. Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another.
There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...
absolutely, libertarianism sounds great in theory. it's just not practical to the real world.
I don't think anyone is "against" a living wage. There are many who fear it will have negative outcomes, but that is not to say they don't wish everyone could make a good living. not everyone needs a livable wage, for example if you are a defendant you probably don't. I like the concept of different minimum wages for ages; a high school kid can earn one amount, while someone older earns more. But what would prevent more businesses hiring younger people then, my guess it would become even more difficult for the uneducated adults to earn a living than it is now. i also don't get what cost of living in your area has to do with it. If you can't afford it, move. It is not your constitutional right to live in NYC or San Francisco. Those are very expensive places to live. I lived in San Diego for 8 years and absolutely loved it. I moved for 1 reason. I knew I could never afford a house on my salary if I stayed. So I moved. Giving $4000/month rent as examples is irrelevant, there are plenty of places for about 1/5 that cost or less, you may not be able to walk to the beach though.
this has been said before: moving out of state because you are broke makes zero sense. it is not a practical solution for most.
That seems to be the entire Republican philosophy. If you don't like your state's
gun laws
abortion laws
minimum wage laws
health care laws
marijuana laws
just move to another state, problem solved! As if 320 million people could just pick up and relocate to somewhere that suits them better.
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We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy. I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other. Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another.
There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...
Yes Brian, you are correct that it works in a fictional landscape.
OK, so I love in a fictional landscape. John Lennon suggested being a dreamer. Why not?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy. I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other. Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another.
There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...
absolutely, libertarianism sounds great in theory. it's just not practical to the real world.
"Let's start a new country up." -Michael Stipe
Let's start a new world up.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
McDonalds has employees working for min wage, whatever it is ($10 for sake of this discussion). McDonalds is fulfilling their obligation to the wage rate set by government. People are willing to work for that because they know that someone will take the job and McDonalds won't pay more for the same reason.
If no min wage existed McDonalds would be forced to pay what the market will bear. If everyone stuck together for $12 then you'd get $12.
I would still prefer to eliminate the income tax instead of raising the min wage. Govt wants min wage raised because it would mean more revenue for govt through more taxes taken. I prefer a person keep what they earn.
even if there is a minimum wage, if all worker stuck together for $12 McDonald would have to pay that. the reason for the minimum wage is that we know that there are very desperate people who will not stick to $12 an hour and we don't want them taken advantage of by big business.
again, minimum wage is a starting point it does not mean that McDonalds has to start at that rate.
We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy. I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other. Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another.
There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...
absolutely, libertarianism sounds great in theory. it's just not practical to the real world.
No, namely because it requires private corporations to regulate themselves and make decisions that are good for society and not their bank accounts. Obviously that is the craziest fantasy of all time.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
The federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Congress hasn't raised it in 10 years.
I guess all of these places are going to have all of their businesses shut down, unemployment will enter double digits and everyone will end up on welfare?
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Youre not thinking so good here. For example, If you don't tax people... how are you going to reinforce your borders?
Aye-yay-aye.
There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...
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not everyone needs a livable wage, for example if you are a defendant you probably don't.
I like the concept of different minimum wages for ages; a high school kid can earn one amount, while someone older earns more. But what would prevent more businesses hiring younger people then, my guess it would become even more difficult for the uneducated adults to earn a living than it is now.
i also don't get what cost of living in your area has to do with it. If you can't afford it, move. It is not your constitutional right to live in NYC or San Francisco. Those are very expensive places to live. I lived in San Diego for 8 years and absolutely loved it. I moved for 1 reason. I knew I could never afford a house on my salary if I stayed. So I moved. Giving $4000/month rent as examples is irrelevant, there are plenty of places for about 1/5 that cost or less, you may not be able to walk to the beach though.
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- gun laws
- abortion laws
- minimum wage laws
- health care laws
- marijuana laws
just move to another state, problem solved! As if 320 million people could just pick up and relocate to somewhere that suits them better.Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
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Let's start a new world up.
again, minimum wage is a starting point it does not mean that McDonalds has to start at that rate.
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The federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Congress hasn't raised it in 10 years.
I guess all of these places are going to have all of their businesses shut down, unemployment will enter double digits and everyone will end up on welfare?
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/news/minimum-wage-hikes-july-1/index.html
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/12/one-in-three-us-manufacturing-workers-are-on-welfare-study.html