Greenday on american idol.

this is a joke. bands appear on tv all the time to promote songs/albums. why are you all so bitter? because it was american idol? and its cool to not like it?

i guess bands that appear on leno/letterman/snl (hello pearl jam) are sellouts too? they're doing the same exact thing green day did.

off_the_record wrote:

this is a joke. bands appear on tv all the time to promote songs/albums. why are you all so bitter? because it was american idol? and its cool to not like it?

i guess bands that appear on leno/letterman/snl (hello pearl jam) are sellouts too? they're doing the same exact thing green day did.

Exactly. I'm so sick of everyone jumping on their soap boxes, screaming at the top of their lungs, "I hate fill-in-the-blank" It's so tiresome. Everyone thinks they're so fresh, so cutting edge, so radical by declaring they hate whatever happens to be popular at the time. But honestly, by the time they've made their self-important declarations public, the whole issue has been played to death.

It's one thing to not like a tv show or a band. It's a whole other thing when people start acting like it's the downfall of western civilization. Join a real fight. Find a real cause.

mookie9999 wrote:

I always play on an even field. Or at least try to. Now back to this Watt/Clarkson duo, do tell. Please tell me it will be an acapella duet of Piss Bottle Man!

Watt plays on her new album. Frankly I love it. I seriously love it. I don't mean the album. I haven't heard it. I love the fact that he's playing on her album. Pitchfork snobs need to be put in their place sometimes

gibbits wrote:

-Green Day are pushing a message they didn't give a fuck about 5 years ago - or was there no problems in the world to speak against before Bush?

Yeah God forbid someone actually awaken politically. You know grow. Evolve.

Bleeding hearts? That's fresh. Good luck to everyone arguing in this thread. I pity the people who have him on their side.

gibbits wrote:

who "awakens" to politics at 35? this shit is going on in front of your eyes from day one.

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realize they was an age requirement. You have to be politically active by a certain age or else you sit on the sidelines for the rest of your life?

off_the_record wrote:

this is a joke. bands appear on tv all the time to promote songs/albums. why are you all so bitter? because it was american idol? and its cool to not like it?

i guess bands that appear on leno/letterman/snl (hello pearl jam) are sellouts too? they're doing the same exact thing green day did.

The difference is, American Idol represents all that is wrong with music today. Seriously.

Instead of promoting artists with something to say, they promote cookie cutter acts singing other people's songs, and the one with the prettiest hair wins.

This is offensive to those of us who came of age in a time when music and the message actually mattered. I'm sorry.

Promoting your album on TV isn't selling out, IMO. Doing it on a show that is killing music as we know it is.

well put, jane. agree completely.

janegosford wrote:

But I don't understand how it's killing music? I watch the show but I've never once (nor will I probably ever) buy an album from any of the contestants. Why? Because it's not my cup of tea. I watch the show b/c I find it fun & entertaining. Trashy? Sure. But you know what? At the end of the day when it's over, I put on my PJ cds, or The Clash or Arcade Fire or The Who & I enjoy them. So how exactly is it killing music? I watch it & STILL enjoy good music. And if you're going to argue that it's made it difficult for legit artists to get deals then I'm sorry but that's historically inaccurate. The music industry was fucked up way before AI & will continue to be fucked up after it. I've said it before but I'm an actress & if I let every no talent millionaire actress or every mindless Hollywood film (when I have talented friends who are scraping to get by) get me down then I'd never get out of bed in the morning. But I do b/c, while it may not be mainstream & it may not be easily accessible good art, good filmmaking, good theater, good music, is still out there. So what if I have to go in search of it. In my opinion that's half the fun. My sister & I couldn't possibly have more different taste in music but if she enjoys the latest Gwen Stefani cd why the fuck should that effect me. I have my music, she has hers & we're both happy.

As an actress (artist) I would be interested to know what you thought of my earlier statement which you didn't comment on like you had my other remarks. This is what I said earlier:

"It is because it is on American Idol, but not because it's cool not to like it, but rather for what the show stands for and who it is being marketed to. Letterman is a sardonic, no nonsense host who you can tell when he does and does not like an act or guest. He seems to respect music and musicians and enjoys having a good time. Whereas AI whores their contestants out on some tour, force them to sign a recording contract of the likes of producers from the 1950's where the "artists" get screwed everywhich way from Thursday, and have no say in what they can or cannot do."

green day this linkin park, some of u people need to relieve that there are other good bands out there besides the ones the pj likes. I can't believe lp is opening for pearljam,lp only has the #1 selling album by far this year after an opening week ,but they suck cause there not mmj,jack johnson,sk,sonic youth. get out of the bubble and respest green day and lp u narrow minded fools. Pearljam is my fav band by far but lp first 2 albums and american idiot but are better then riot act.

mookie9999 wrote:

As an actress (artist) I would be interested to know what you thought of my earlier statement which you didn't comment on like you had my other remarks. This is what I said earlier:

"It is because it is on American Idol, but not because it's cool not to like it, but rather for what the show stands for and who it is being marketed to. Letterman is a sardonic, no nonsense host who you can tell when he does and does not like an act or guest. He seems to respect music and musicians and enjoys having a good time. Whereas AI whores their contestants out on some tour, force them to sign a recording contract of the likes of producers from the 1950's where the "artists" get screwed everywhich way from Thursday, and have no say in what they can or cannot do."

I assume you want me to comment on the AI contract part of your post. It's a good question. So here goes...the entertainment industry is a business on both sides. In a perfect world we'd all make art for art's sake. But I also have to eat. I have to pay rent. I have to pay bills. Life isn't free and in L.A. & NYC especially, it's certainly not cheap. I've done things sorely lacking artistic sensibility (no not porn!) but I did it because bills had to get paid. I've had friends (actors, directors, writers, etc) work on SHITTY projects for the same reason. I'd draw the line at something that would offend me morally or politically. For instance, I couldn't ever bring myself to appear in a commercial for a corporation I don't approve of, like say Walmart, but I don't begrudge anyone else who would take the job. Who knows if it's true but I remember reading that during the Green River days Jeff used to have to defend wanting to play metal clubs to Mark Arm & Steve Turner. He'd have to explain to them he had to pay his rent, that he didn't exactly come from a privileged family, & that he wasn't going to be made to feel bad for whatever temporary sacrifices he had to make. I understand that feeling all too well.

It's easy to criticize the AI contestants but when you find yourself struggling in this industry...well just trust me. It's not fun. So if I was in a comparable situation & say I was offered a role on a shitty sitcom pilot, yeah I'd probably snatch it up in a heartbeat. They might "own" me for a few years but I'd see it as a stepping stone. My hope being of course that it would simply be a jumping off point for my career & a chance to make connections (an invaluable tool in my industry); one that would hopefully allow me to move on to bigger & better things (i.e. projects I could actually be proud of)

I've been joking around about Kelly Clarkson's new album with Mike Watt but the rumors are that her label (mainly Clive Davis) are incredibly unhappy with it. They wanted her to shelve it. They wanted something more pop friendly. There's another rumor that they also told her she needed to lose weight before she started promoting it. Her response? The rumor is she told them to go screw themselves on all fronts & that she was going to be doing things her way. I think that's what every artist hopes for one day; you may have to make sacrifices here & there, but hopefully you'll be able to reach a stage in your career where you can make your own policies.