zeitgeist is the pumpkins 3rd grand masterpiece

jhawk98 wrote:

Now that the thread is actually back on topic, would the person who said he/she was a pumpkins fan but really didn't like the album explain why? I'm just curious. I really enjoy all of their albums - even Machina I AND Machina II. I've only heard snippets of most of the songs, but I liked most of what I heard and was looking forward to picking this up. I would like to hear from other pumpkins fans who don't like it. Please tell me what you don't like about it, more than just "it sucks".

The lyrics are semi-retarded. "I don't wanna fight/every single night/everything I want is in your light!" Compare that to "The useless drag of another day/The endless drags of a death rock boy/Mascara sure and lipstick lost/Glitter burned by restless thoughts/Of being forgotten!"

Songs like "That's The Way," "Never Lost," and "Bring The Light" all sound like Zwan outtakes. "Come On (Let's Go)" is cock rock at it's best. Something the Pumpkins would never have done back in the day. The only song that sounds like what the Pumpkins would have done is "7 Shades Of Black."

It's just a bland rock album, and it sucks that the Smashing Pumpkins name is on it. When I think the Pumpkins I think of grand, huge symphonic rock with pure feeling. "Starz" sounds like Billy dialing in.


My main quip with the album is the production. It sucks. They should have brought back Butch Vig, Flood, or whoever. Billy's litte vocal harmonies run parts of United States and Doomsday Clock for me. And I hate the Brian May-esque guitar solos. I was just hoping for something more, but I feel let down. The album would have been so much better also if they included the title-track Zeitgeist in real tracklist instead of a bonus track. It's a simple acoustic song that's very powerful and one of the best thing Corgan's done in a while.

I hope that is enough reason as to why I just can't get into it. I mean it's better than alot of shit rock on the radio, granted. But it's the fucking Smashing Pumpkins. These guys made the best fucking double-album of all time. Zeitgeist is just too basic. Besides United States(the end fucking rules though), there isn't anything
powerful on the whole record.


EDIT: And the weirdest thing, I think God And Country might be my favorite track on the album.

DaytimeDilemma wrote:

And the weirdest thing, I think God And Country might be my favorite track on the album.

I like most of the album and this is my favorite track too.

I sincerely hate the mixing of the vocals on this album, except for the title track which is just Billy and his acoustic (so I know it was the production sounding like utter shit, not Billy).

I also think that Billy may have created some anthems. Starz definitely, and I'd even stand by Doomsday Clock.

DaytimeDilemma wrote:

No not exactly, but something that varies a little more. I just can't listen to tracks 4, 8, 9, and 10 without thinking, "My god Billy what have you done?"

the main question is what have you done?
you said you were a musician...how many fan boyz do YOU have?
how many grammys have you won??? post a video of your music on you tube and lets see the mighty musician

jsaso wrote:

yes but you said...united states is easy on guitar so let me
see you...or where you just ...you know...pretending to be
something you are not???
i am just wondering and expecting a video on you tube
...from you playing united states....cause you said
it is easy...

Ok dude, I'm not going to fucking post a youtube video of me playing guitar to prove to some random dude on the message board that I'm not a liar. I'm not "that guy." I don't care what you think, but United States is NOT a very difficult song to play on guitar. If you really care so much, listen to my band here: myspace.com/tchoupchupacabra

jsaso wrote:

well you are not half bad...but why no vocals?
it tottaly kills the songs

Those are just demos, we have just recently added a new vocalist/guitar player. So now you can finally shut up.

can we please get back to the pumpkins' new album.

I like the album. Only listened to it 3 times, but with each listen it gets better.
Agree with the comments on the production and I really don't like the art work, but overall I think it's great.
The closest challenger to Dinosaur Jr for album of the year in my opinion.

jsaso wrote:

IP BAN, delete thread

not quite

darthvedder88 wrote:

So when do we get our code for the tix?!

Probably the day before the pre-sale....i hope. Can't wait for Oct. 7, Detroit.

As for the album...I've only given it a full listen once. Can't say that i like it or dislike it at this point. We'll see after a few more listens

Btw, did anybody catch the Pumpkins on Letterman last night? I guess they're going to be on Fri. night as well.