zeitgeist is the pumpkins 3rd grand masterpiece

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  • culot4culot4 Posts: 775
    Okay fine. Smashing Pumpkinds weren't the only ones plugging their albums. It still doesn't make it right. I would expect that kind of thing from an R&B artist like Alicia Keyes or a hack like Kelly Clarkson who had to cancel her tour because nobody bought any tickets. Bon Jovi....well they're Bon Jovi. Is Billy really all that hard up for a commercial success. If people liked his set they could have found out for themselves where to get the music instead of the singer selling his shit on an inappropriate platform.
    Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
  • rhcpjam1029rhcpjam1029 Posts: 1,968
    Zeitgeist is a horrible album. It just isn't good. The production, lyrics, music all suck. Billy is trying too hard. I agress with everyting said in this allmusic.com review: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:jcfoxzu5ldde

    I'm so happy that Pearl Jam is a real band and they all contribute to songs, and Eddie isn't a dictator like Corgan.


    Zeitgeist just falls flat and lacks the real feel of a Pumpkins album. If you call it a masterpiece, there is something wrong with you and you probably also listen to Hinder and Blue October. I'm a huge Pumpkins fans and really wanted to like the album but I don't. I already ordered the iTunes version, but if I hadn't I wouldn't have bought it after the leak.



    Also in terms of best of 07...Zeitgeist doesn't have ANYTHING on QOTSA's Era Vulgaris...the BEST rock album of 07 by FAR.

    Queens of the Stone Age...more like Queens of the Boner Age. Huh huh, boner. Huh huh.
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    Butthead: It means that his friends are like turds and that they like suck.
    Beavis: Heh heh. Oh yeah. Yeah! Get those spoons out of my face before I shove them up your butt!
    Butthead: Huh huh.
  • D.C.D.C. Posts: 20
    right up there with the best cds of 07..i listen to it constantly

    united states, tarantula, and doomsday clock are solid
  • he said please explain to me how it was a joke... i guess he didnt hear when billy corgan laughed immediately after saying "i know you all will go out tuesday and buy the new album" and then said "just kiddin".

    nd i dont care wat critics say, im gonna buy zeitgeist because i like the pumpkins and i will decide for myself it is as good as mellon collie or siamese dream
  • culot4culot4 Posts: 775
    he said please explain to me how it was a joke... i guess he didnt hear when billy corgan laughed immediately after saying "i know you all will go out tuesday and buy the new album" and then said "just kiddin".

    nd i dont care wat critics say, im gonna buy zeitgeist because i like the pumpkins and i will decide for myself it is as good as mellon collie or siamese dream

    Why don't you just quote me directly instead of this all 'he' stuff. If I walk up to my boss and call him a fucking douchebag but say just kidding, I still called him a fucking douchebag.
    Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    culot4 wrote:
    Why don't you just quote me directly instead of this all 'he' stuff. If I walk up to my boss and call him a fucking douchebag but say just kidding, I still called him a fucking douchebag.

    IP BAN, delete thread
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    jsaso wrote:
    IP BAN, delete thread
    your kidding right, what are we in the 3rd grade, grow up
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  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    your kidding right, what are we in the 3rd grade, grow up

    no...but...this is getting absurd...the man said..."we have a new album called zeitgeist comming out in tuesday, i know you are all gonna buy it, and not illegaly downloaded from the net, like you did all our other albums...just kidding..."

    wau...lets make a big deal cause of that?
    that guy is on this board is showing needless dissrespect...i would like
    to see him be a highlight of live earth...
    call me when you do that...
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    jsaso wrote:
    no...but...this is getting absurd...the man said..."we have a new album called zeitgeist comming out in tuesday, i know you are all gonna buy it, and not illegaly downloaded from the net, like you did all our other albums...just kidding..."

    wau...lets make a big deal cause of that?
    that guy is on this board is showing needless dissrespect...i would like
    to see him be a highlight of live earth...
    call me when you do that...
    dude relax, its called a message board of course people are gonna disrespect each other. what are you 14 or something.
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    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    dude relax, its called a message board of course people are gonna disrespect each other. what are you 14 or something.

    no i am 80 years old. why do you care? well if you would read the
    rules of this board you would find out that disrespect means a ban...
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    jsaso wrote:
    no i am 80 years old. why do you care? well if you would read the
    rules of this board you would find out that disrespect means a ban...
    haha, u think anyone ever reads those.i asked you what your age was cause your acting like a 14 year old child and what do i get a disrespectfull response. IP BAN DELETE THREAD :rolleyes:
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    haha, u think anyone ever reads those.

    i see your location is ...smoking a joint in a tree???
    so i am gonna end this little talk
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    jsaso wrote:
    i see your location is ...smoking a joint in a tree???
    so i am gonna end this little talk
    i live on long island and my location is a lyiric sometimes ed uses in given to fly.i love talking, so lets not end this, its fun talking isnt it
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • pjoasisrulepjoasisrule Posts: 3,412
    haha, u think anyone ever reads those.i asked you what your age was cause your acting like a 14 year old child and what do i get a disrespectfull response. IP BAN DELETE THREAD :rolleyes:

    LMAO
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jsaso wrote:
    no...but...this is getting absurd...the man said..."we have a new album called zeitgeist comming out in tuesday, i know you are all gonna buy it, and not illegaly downloaded from the net, like you did all our other albums...just kidding..."

    wau...lets make a big deal cause of that?
    that guy is on this board is showing needless dissrespect...i would like
    to see him be a highlight of live earth...
    call me when you do that...


    he made pretty much the same joke at the show i was at in asheville
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    LMAO
    now he wont talk to me cause my location is smoking a joint in a tree. oh well, not like he said anything of value to say anyways. and jsaso if you really are 80, you might wanna lay off the viagra i think its gone to the wrong head
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • Kids kids. Calm down kids. Lots of temper tantrums going on here. Sounds like everyone here got their afternoon recess taken away.
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  • pdh1978pdh1978 Posts: 211
    Um, can we get the conversation back onto Zeitgeist please?

    I haven't got my copy yet, and I'm interested to hear people's opinions (on the album, not on Billy!)
    If you all stop hitting refresh for just two minutes, I can buy my tickets...
  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    pdh1978 wrote:
    Um, can we get the conversation back onto Zeitgeist please?

    I haven't got my copy yet, and I'm interested to hear people's opinions (on the album, not on Billy!)

    it is great..very diverse...from grunge to electronica...
  • muppetmuppet Posts: 980
    Not a Pumpkins fan; checked it out becuase I've been hearing a lot of things about them. Really, really bad. I love the drumming but the rest is just a mess.

    Although the older stuff that I'm checking out sounds cool so maybe I'll appreciate it more later. But I doubt it.

    "well if you make a record that is as good as zeitgeist le me know...
    ...musician ... i bet you could do the united states drumm bit in a flash..."

    Oh man, people really need to stop saying this in reply to a bad review. I can't cook food, so dammit, I guess I can't eat anymore.
  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,228
    I saw them at their final show in asheville last week. Great show. I love the first three pumpkin albums and i like Machina and Adore some.

    It is too bad Gossamer is not on the album that song is massive.

    I am looking forward to hearing the album tonight/tomorrow whenever i get the itunes presale.

    Bleeding the Orchid sounded really good live. As did United States, doomsday clock, Tarantula, and starz. I did not think Neverlost was bad.
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  • prytocorduroyprytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    I like it, not as much as the first four records (yes I'm counting Adore). Billy's vocals are terribly mixed on this disc. Masterpiece....nah. But he's gotta (re)start somewhere right?
  • drew0drew0 Posts: 943
    Anyone know where I can get mp3s of the studio versions of Stellar and Gossamer?
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  • culot4 wrote:
    Why don't you just quote me directly instead of this all 'he' stuff. If I walk up to my boss and call him a fucking douchebag but say just kidding, I still called him a fucking douchebag.


    umm... what?
  • duggroduggro Posts: 1,343
    you're all mental
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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,228
    drew0 wrote:
    Anyone know where I can get mp3s of the studio versions of Stellar and Gossamer?
    Stellar i'm not sure
    Gossamer does not exist it has only been played live never recorded in studio.
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  • DaytimeDilemmaDaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    I think Gossamer does have a live version, but it isn't being released. But yes, it's a shame. The best Pumpkins song post-Iha.
  • itsevobabyitsevobaby Posts: 1,809
    I think Gossamer does have a live version, but it isn't being released. But yes, it's a shame. The best Pumpkins song post-Iha.
    i really wanna hear gossamer, sounds freakin amazing.

    oh, & a big thanks to everyone who bought the thread back to a civilised zeitgeist discussion :)
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  • jhawk98jhawk98 Posts: 145
    Now that the thread is actually back on topic, would the person who said he/she was a pumpkins fan but really didn't like the album explain why? I'm just curious. I really enjoy all of their albums - even Machina I AND Machina II. I've only heard snippets of most of the songs, but I liked most of what I heard and was looking forward to picking this up. I would like to hear from other pumpkins fans who don't like it. Please tell me what you don't like about it, more than just "it sucks".
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  • 7 Kettles7 Kettles Posts: 86
    zeitgeist is nicegeist! ha

    honestly, it really is a great album...i can't seem to stop listening to it. i've had it for a week now and it's only getting better. in addition, the b-sides that have surfaced (sorry, no gossamer) are amazing too. the title track and stellar are more than worthy of being on the album.

    i can confidently say it's the best album billy has created since adore (which was brilliant, you know).
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