zeitgeist is the pumpkins 3rd grand masterpiece

western pearl

Anybody know if iTunes pre-orders are available for download at midnight? If not, what time? I've only listened to about four tracks so far. So fuckin excited to get my hands on it

DaytimeDilemma

jhawk98 wrote:

Now that the thread is actually back on topic, would the person who said he/she was a pumpkins fan but really didn't like the album explain why? I'm just curious. I really enjoy all of their albums - even Machina I AND Machina II. I've only heard snippets of most of the songs, but I liked most of what I heard and was looking forward to picking this up. I would like to hear from other pumpkins fans who don't like it. Please tell me what you don't like about it, more than just "it sucks".

The lyrics are semi-retarded. "I don't wanna fight/every single night/everything I want is in your light!" Compare that to "The useless drag of another day/The endless drags of a death rock boy/Mascara sure and lipstick lost/Glitter burned by restless thoughts/Of being forgotten!"

Songs like "That's The Way," "Never Lost," and "Bring The Light" all sound like Zwan outtakes. "Come On (Let's Go)" is cock rock at it's best. Something the Pumpkins would never have done back in the day. The only song that sounds like what the Pumpkins would have done is "7 Shades Of Black."

It's just a bland rock album, and it sucks that the Smashing Pumpkins name is on it. When I think the Pumpkins I think of grand, huge symphonic rock with pure feeling. "Starz" sounds like Billy dialing in.


My main quip with the album is the production. It sucks. They should have brought back Butch Vig, Flood, or whoever. Billy's litte vocal harmonies run parts of United States and Doomsday Clock for me. And I hate the Brian May-esque guitar solos. I was just hoping for something more, but I feel let down. The album would have been so much better also if they included the title-track Zeitgeist in real tracklist instead of a bonus track. It's a simple acoustic song that's very powerful and one of the best thing Corgan's done in a while.

I hope that is enough reason as to why I just can't get into it. I mean it's better than alot of shit rock on the radio, granted. But it's the fucking Smashing Pumpkins. These guys made the best fucking double-album of all time. Zeitgeist is just too basic. Besides United States(the end fucking rules though), there isn't anything
powerful on the whole record.


EDIT: And the weirdest thing, I think God And Country might be my favorite track on the album.

pjalive21

honestly what were some of you expecting on this album??? i get the feeling you wanted a meloncholly and infinite sadness part 2???

i dont have any expectations for this album, i dont even remember the last good thing Coragan has done

prytocorduroy

DaytimeDilemma wrote:

And the weirdest thing, I think God And Country might be my favorite track on the album.

I like most of the album and this is my favorite track too.

I sincerely hate the mixing of the vocals on this album, except for the title track which is just Billy and his acoustic (so I know it was the production sounding like utter shit, not Billy).

I also think that Billy may have created some anthems. Starz definitely, and I'd even stand by Doomsday Clock.

DaytimeDilemma

pjalive21 wrote:

honestly what were some of you expecting on this album??? i get the feeling you wanted a meloncholly and infinite sadness part 2???

i dont have any expectations for this album, i dont even remember the last good thing Coragan has done

No not exactly, but something that varies a little more. I just can't listen to tracks 4, 8, 9, and 10 without thinking, "My god Billy what have you done?"

jsaso

DaytimeDilemma wrote:

No not exactly, but something that varies a little more. I just can't listen to tracks 4, 8, 9, and 10 without thinking, "My god Billy what have you done?"

the main question is what have you done?
you said you were a musician...how many fan boyz do YOU have?
how many grammys have you won??? post a video of your music on you tube and lets see the mighty musician

DaytimeDilemma

jsaso wrote:

the main question is what have you done?
you said you were a musician...how many fan boyz do YOU have?
how many grammys have you won??? post a video of your music on you tube and lets see the mighty musician

Dude shut up, you are an idiot.

itsevobaby

jsaso wrote:

the main question is what have you done?
you said you were a musician...how many fan boyz do YOU have?
how many grammys have you won??? post a video of your music on you tube and lets see the mighty musician

dude, let the guy have his/her opinion, even though i can't agree, they stated what they wanted to say in a far more mature & accepting way than what you have. it's posts like that send threads spiraling into verbal insults & ruining it for those who actually want to discuss the topic.

as you were peoples

jsaso

DaytimeDilemma wrote:

Dude shut up, you are an idiot.

yes but you said...united states is easy on guitar so let me
see you...or where you just ...you know...pretending to be
something you are not???
i am just wondering and expecting a video on you tube
...from you playing united states....cause you said
it is easy...

DaytimeDilemma

jsaso wrote:

yes but you said...united states is easy on guitar so let me
see you...or where you just ...you know...pretending to be
something you are not???
i am just wondering and expecting a video on you tube
...from you playing united states....cause you said
it is easy...

Ok dude, I'm not going to fucking post a youtube video of me playing guitar to prove to some random dude on the message board that I'm not a liar. I'm not "that guy." I don't care what you think, but United States is NOT a very difficult song to play on guitar. If you really care so much, listen to my band here: myspace.com/tchoupchupacabra

jsaso

DaytimeDilemma wrote:

Ok dude, I'm not going to fucking post a youtube video of me playing guitar to prove to some random dude on the message board that I'm not a liar. I'm not "that guy." I don't care what you think, but United States is NOT a very difficult song to play on guitar. If you really care so much, listen to my band here: myspace.com/tchoupchupacabra

well you are not half bad...but why no vocals?
it tottaly kills the songs

DaytimeDilemma

jsaso wrote:

well you are not half bad...but why no vocals?
it tottaly kills the songs

Those are just demos, we have just recently added a new vocalist/guitar player. So now you can finally shut up.

western pearl

Get a room you two.

PJammin'

can we please get back to the pumpkins' new album.

intodeep

western pearl wrote:

Anybody know if iTunes pre-orders are available for download at midnight? If not, what time? I've only listened to about four tracks so far. So fuckin excited to get my hands on it

I tried to get it at midnight last night. Waited until about 15 after and tried again and no dice.

I got up this morning around 6:30 and before i hopped in the shower i was able to download it at that point.

pirlo21

I like the album. Only listened to it 3 times, but with each listen it gets better.
Agree with the comments on the production and I really don't like the art work, but overall I think it's great.
The closest challenger to Dinosaur Jr for album of the year in my opinion.

NOCODE#1

culot4 wrote:

Billy goes and pulls that shit on Live Earth plugging the album like some kind of desperate asshole.

yea its amazing that people fail to realize musicians are in it for the $$$

class dismissed

NOCODE#1

jsaso wrote:

IP BAN, delete thread

not quite

darthvedder88

So when do we get our code for the tix?!

western pearl

darthvedder88 wrote:

So when do we get our code for the tix?!

Probably the day before the pre-sale....i hope. Can't wait for Oct. 7, Detroit.

As for the album...I've only given it a full listen once. Can't say that i like it or dislike it at this point. We'll see after a few more listens

Btw, did anybody catch the Pumpkins on Letterman last night? I guess they're going to be on Fri. night as well.