2008 btlg sound quality

captainwisejam · July 2008

vedderoffdead wrote:

Yeah but you're missing a big part of the puzzle here. We didn't know UNTIL we bought them. So that theory holds no water whatsoever.

Did you know what the boots sounded like any other year before you bought one?, like 2003, when they were all mailed to you.

buy 1 boot, if you don't like the sound quality, then don't buy any more.

Like other people have said, if you don't care for the product, don't just keep bitching about it.

Haven't you ever had a bad meal at a place? Do you keep going back.

captainwisejam · July 2008

john daker wrote:

i remember about 13 years ago when i bought this $50 bootleg called simply "monkey wrench". it was the San Diego 11/07/1995 show on two discs recorded off someone's radio. the quality compared utterly horrible and the radio dj talks during the show at a few points, plus radio static can be heard occasionally. that being said, i absolutely love that boot. i saved for months to get that thing. i still remember how awesome it was because it had a couple songs that ended up on no code but i knew them before no code even came out. awesome. a bootleg is just that. a live recording. you don't usually buy live recordings expecting quality. at least i don't. i buy them for the energy and the spontanaity they exhibit. compared to that awful-quality bootleg i bought 13 years ago, these new bootlegs are incredibly high quality... and at a third of the price. good deal in my book. i just hope the band is still kind enough to offer the variety of cd, flac, and mp3 in the future even though there are so many ungrateful fans.

exactly.............

pjsteelerfan · July 2008

Raineman wrote:

I for the life of me can't understand why people give a shit about someone complaining about a product they fucking paid for. Why don't you take your logic and go into the thread with the petition for a PJ unplugged dvd and tell them to quit bitching and be happy they saw it at all. And for the people asking why we keep buying them? I bought the Hartford Flac and will def not be buying any more because of the way they came out. Waffles.fm here i come

Why don't you take a lesson in sarcasm, I can tell you don't understand it. It just gets old that you come on here and there are 50 threads all about the same thing. I enjoy the boots and I am glad that I got the chance to get them. Buying the boot before hand is the same as anything else you purchase without using/seeing/hearing it first, you run the risk of not liking it. If you did not know this, well, sorry. Good choice, you did not like Hartford and will buy no more.

Evacuation Rules · July 2008

RestlessSoul92 wrote:

I totally disagree. I think the 2000 series is the best they have released. Shows like Philadelphia 1 #45 Detroit #51 Jones Beach 3 #41 or Tampa #32(just to name a few) are tremendous. I don't think the 2003 series is as good as 2000. They are still good quality, but not as consistent.

Damn right. The 2000 tour can't be beat. I wish the boots were still of that quality.

blueredgray · July 2008

After the first two I think the band sounds good. Problem is there is no atmosphere or crowd except between songs. Sounds like they are playing at the bottom of an empty pool. Hence, there is no energy. If they kept the crowd at a steady level I think these would rock. As it is, I think they are by far the worst boots.

hatnham · July 2008

This tone deaf mother fucker will just chill in my happy place with the 2008 boots I love by the band I love while all you fuckers bitch and moan!

pjl44 · July 2008

wise88 wrote:

Did you know what the boots sounded like any other year before you bought one?, like 2003, when they were all mailed to you.

buy 1 boot, if you don't like the sound quality, then don't buy any more.

Like other people have said, if you don't care for the product, don't just keep bitching about it.

Haven't you ever had a bad meal at a place? Do you keep going back.

I have a shitload of official boots from 00-06. They all sound great and I never gave it a second thought. Bonnaroo 08 arrived a week ago, I listened to it, and it sounded far inferior to the rest.

1. Why is it so offensive to mention this?
2. If the band tried a different approach, wouldn't they welcome the feedback? Like with anything else they sell, you want to optimize quality and profit.

Given to... · July 2008

I just want mine to get here so I can decide! I got an email that they were shipped three days ago, and now I probably wont get them until the 28th when we return from a baseball tournament.

PJamGrunge10 · July 2008

john daker wrote:

i remember about 13 years ago when i bought this $50 bootleg called simply "monkey wrench". it was the San Diego 11/07/1995 show on two discs recorded off someone's radio. the quality compared utterly horrible and the radio dj talks during the show at a few points, plus radio static can be heard occasionally. that being said, i absolutely love that boot. i saved for months to get that thing. i still remember how awesome it was because it had a couple songs that ended up on no code but i knew them before no code even came out. awesome. a bootleg is just that. a live recording. you don't usually buy live recordings expecting quality. at least i don't. i buy them for the energy and the spontanaity they exhibit. compared to that awful-quality bootleg i bought 13 years ago, these new bootlegs are incredibly high quality... and at a third of the price. good deal in my book. i just hope the band is still kind enough to offer the variety of cd, flac, and mp3 in the future even though there are so many ungrateful fans.

Times have changed and so has the quality of recording equipment. They have professionals recording and mixing these. And these shows are about as expensive as a regular studio CD. So, given the quality of some of these boots, it's not a good deal.

vedderoffdead · July 2008

wise88 wrote:

Did you know what the boots sounded like any other year before you bought one?, like 2003, when they were all mailed to you.

buy 1 boot, if you don't like the sound quality, then don't buy any more.

Like other people have said, if you don't care for the product, don't just keep bitching about it.

Haven't you ever had a bad meal at a place? Do you keep going back.

If it was my FAVORITE restaurant EVER? I would give them the benefit of the doubt that it was an isolated incident, and I would make management aware of the situation. Exactly as I've done in this case. Quit bitching about us bitching.

WaveCameCrashin · July 2008

vedderoffdead wrote:

Finally!!! I'm getting a bit sick of people 'bitching' about people 'bitching' as well. Do you not see any irony in that? Seriously? According to some of these people's theory, if I BUY a gallon of milk, and it's sour. I should just shut the fuck up, drink it, and be thankful I have milk in the first place??? That's just plain old riding the short bus to school dumb. Now, if someone GAVE me that same gallon of milk, and it ended up sour then that's too fucking bad for me. THAT makes sense. The 10C and Kufala aren't giving us these boots out of the kindness of their hearts. They're selling them at full retail. That makes us consumers, and therefore gives us the right to bitch, moan, complain, stomp our feet, etc. Money isn't exactly EASY to come by lately, and between the concerts, the merchandise, the boots, and now the EV solo tour we've all given quite a bit of it to the 10C this year, so I don't think we're asking too much for them to take a tiny portion of that money and put it into hiring somebody with fully functioning inner ears to mix these boots properly. Geez...

well said sir.

clark_kent · July 2008

gvn2fly74 wrote:

I just got the columbia show a few days ago and i have tried listening to it in my car ,home stereo,and a diskman and it sounds like shit.WTF It sounds like an old greatful dead boot on a casette tape.Do the mp3s sound better?

does it sound as bad as the live at the gorge box? i wanted to like that set becos it had stellar shows and a great setlist, but man the sound was painfully thin.

captainwisejam · July 2008

vedderoffdead wrote:

If it was my FAVORITE restaurant EVER? I would give them the benefit of the doubt that it was an isolated incident, and I would make management aware of the situation. Exactly as I've done in this case. Quit bitching about us bitching.

Fair enough about the restaurant, and I think you've made your point about the sound of the boots. Some people like them and some people don't, you obviously don't.
I've listened to Tampa and Bonnaroo, and I can't for the life of me agree they sound like "shit". Are they as good as 2000 or 2003 ? who knows. Some people like crowd noise, I personally think Mike is too low in the mix. But you know what?
At the end of the day they are just CD's. Still way better than before 2000.

I think the band changes up the sound of the boots for every tour to keep them fresh sounding and different, much like they do when they record a album in the studio. You can't make everybody happy all the time, but even if Pearl Jam could make everyone happy all the time ,
someone would still bitch about it.

slightofjeff · July 2008

RestlessSoul92 wrote:

I totally disagree. I think the 2000 series is the best they have released. Shows like Philadelphia 1 #45 Detroit #51 Jones Beach 3 #41 or Tampa #32(just to name a few) are tremendous. I don't think the 2003 series is as good as 2000. They are still good quality, but not as consistent.

And I think this is the point. Apparently, the mix of a show is a matter of taste.

Some people think 2000 were the best boots ever. Some think they are the worst.

So it's probably unfair to say they "sound like shit" and act like it some kind of "problem" that needs to be rectified -- because it really is just a matter of what you want to hear.

I happen to think 2003 are the best-sounding of the official boot series.

slightofjeff · July 2008

Raineman wrote:

I for the life of me can't understand why people give a shit about someone complaining about a product they fucking paid for.

I understand to a point. But the complaining is fucking CONSTANT. And it's ANNOYING. And it does no good to complain HERE. You want to affect change, email the fuckin' band. Bitching here is like eating a bad meal at a restaurant, and instead of immediately talking to the manager, you go home and write a really mean letter to the editor of the newspaper. It might make you feel better, but it doesn't really accomplish shit.

The other thing is, I personally find the complaints to be baffling. The Bonnaroo boot, which admittedly is the only boot I've heard from this tour, sounds completely fine to me.

So my responses aren't so much from the standpoint of being pissed off at the bitchers ... just completely confused by them. It's sort of like how my wife will complain about being hot in a 72-degree room. You can't tell her, "You're not hot" -- if you're hot, you're hot. But it still baffles the hell out of me.

Ledbetterman10 · July 2008

slightofjeff wrote:

I understand to a point. But the complaining is fucking CONSTANT. And it's ANNOYING. And it does no good to complain HERE. You want to affect change, email the fuckin' band. Bitching here is like eating a bad meal at a restaurant, and instead of immediately talking to the manager, you go home and write a really mean letter to the editor of the newspaper. It might make you feel better, but it doesn't really accomplish shit.

be realistic, emailing the band isn't going to accomplish anything either. if people want to vent, this really is the place for it. it's all confined to a few threads anyway.

slightofjeff · July 2008

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

be realistic, emailing the band isn't going to accomplish anything either.

Shhhh! Don't tell them that. I almost got them to leave us alone.

if people want to vent, this really is the place for it. it's all confined to a few threads anyway.

Yeah, a few DOZEN threads

ECM · July 2008

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

be realistic, emailing the band isn't going to accomplish anything either. if people want to vent, this really is the place for it. it's all confined to a few threads anyway.

I think he meant 10C, not the band.....

If you have an issue, email the 10c first.....

slightofjeff · July 2008

Evil Closet Monkey wrote:

I think he meant 10C, not the band.....

If you have an issue, email the 10c first.....

Nope. I meant the band.

edvedder@bitchabouttheboots.com

Karts · July 2008

MSG1 was the loudest crowd I have been in and you really can't tell at all. And Mike is so low in Watchtower, it's simply horrendous.

The Boston2 boot is much better - it's still raw but it sounds good.

All I have pales compared to the 06 boots though.

2008 btlg sound quality

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