Voter ID

shadowcast said:

Tim Simmons said:

Great question. 

For the most part nothing. You would think, everyone has some sort of id for something, but in the US that is not the case. Because you need birth certificates, social security cards, 2 pieces of mail from a utilities provider or credit card company/bank proving your address, as well as a the time to get the id (if you can’t get the time off during work hours when they are open, they re open for a few on Saturdays). On top of that, they charge you money for it. 

There’s a good portion of an Americans who don’t have those things or cannot get/afford those things. This also neglects all the micro changes that can happen that affects the things above (passports have their hoops to jump through for its application, people get married and change names so you need a new social security card, people move, etc)

so while it’s doable, it’s a process. The constitution guarantees the right to vote. It explicitly forbids a poll tax, which is charging for the right to vote, which is essentially what needing an id is. 

On top of all of that, voter fraud is such a statistical insignificant occurrence that if done, is usually caught. All voter id laws set out to do is to prevent people from voting, not protect it.

on top of that this SAVE act doesn’t change any of the currently existing process, all it does is allow poll workers and states a loop hole to deny people the right to vote based on arbitrary circumstances. 

Oh God get it together. State ID, drivers license or Passport. It's not that hard. You don't have to bring your birth certificate (Jesus Christ). Just like all the fraud going on in Minnesota and now the hospice fraud in California you don't think the voter fraud is real as well? I come to realize most of you have zero street smarts.  ...If you do not think there is voter fraud I have a vaccine I want to sell you. 

shadowcast said:

Tim Simmons said:

There is no way to convince everyone. It will always be there. Some people will just never trust institutions. 

I mean, hell, we see examples all the time of people seeing with their own eyes (not in regards to voting, but literally anything conspiracy related) and still going on with their denial.

And why should we trust them? What have they done to earn our trust? What "Conspiracy" are you talking about? No having ID opens up rampant fraud...

cincybearcat said:

I'm honestly surprised you do not have to show proof of ID to vote.  I am pretty aligned with requiring it.  I believe the support is there from the VAST majority of Americans.  Just implement it ... but from the mindset/goal of "We want people to be able to vote".  Making it easy to get what you need if you do not have it, or define an alternative solution for those rare cases where a driver's license, for example, is not easy to obtain.  

Tim Simmons said:

I have to be honest, I had never read the phrase "suicidal empathy" before Cast posted it above. I wondered if the definition of it is as dumb as the phrase sounds (it is). And now the worldview that Cast is describing is really coming into focus. 

Big time Elon/Rogan pilled energy. Maybe some Peterson and Yarvin thrown in for good measure too.

Tim Simmons said:

hmmmmm

The phrase "suicidal empathy" is commonly used by culture warriors, far-right figures, and Christian nationalists to condemn empathy towards groups such as immigrants and racial minorities, often in association with the Great Replacement conspiracy theory.[1][2] It has been referred to as a "right-wing buzzword" by The Bulwark.