#46 President Joe Biden

Tim Simmons · September 10

If we have a floor as an age of when you can be president, we need a ceiling too.

DE4173 · September 10

Lerxst1992 said:

I’ll agree to completely take the assertion of dementia completely off the table.

However, that record-breaking debate performance plus a number of his associates who he knew personally for years said flat out he did not recognize them in that last year. Those two factors alone are disqualifying, for those who want to split hairs and say no dementia because There was no medical test performed. We know why there was no medical test performed, but let’s leave that completely off the table.

If you want to see what what seven days of debate prep gets ya:

https://www.youtube.com/live/qqG96G8YdcE?si=ERq_Hv0cEnKwViSz

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HughFreakingDillon · September 10

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.
Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok. He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la.

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If travel of that nature is too taxing, then you're simply not capable of being president. Biden wasn't anymore. This isnt about dem or repub, it's a general rule of thumb all Americans should expect from the CIC. If "democrat" candidates want to win, they need to be speaking to people as a concerned citizen of the current issue/state of affairs and not against a republican. All Americans want to feel safe and be able to afford groceries, housing and healthcare. What steps will you take as a politician to make that happen, not what is someone else doing/not doing. Talk to people about their issues, not the issues of the Republican Party as it exists in this moment.

I agree with this, even though I still maintain he's more capable than trump cognitively. It's just annoying all the "he doesn't even know where he is" bullshit we've been hearing around these parts for months. Like all the experts here know how to diagnose dementia from their keyboard.

exactly...and I've mentioned before that my Dad has early Alzheimer's and Biden does not fucking have that or "dementia"...he's just old and slower

I have personal experience as well and my understanding is completely different. Close acquaintances, plural, said that Biden flat out did not recognize them in that year, during extended discussions . That’s not due to someone being tired.

You should know the aging mind handles pressure differently, and it’s that pressure that likely triggered that awful debate performance. The majority of Americans not loyal to the democrats agreed in overwhelming numbers. By a mile, which should be disqualifying on its own it was that bad. Believe what you want.

Clooney? He was mad that Biden didn't recognize him. Dude got old and gray and Biden likely never watched ER

I googled this "number of associates" claim and came away only with Seth Moulton at D-Day ceremony in France, and Clooney. But hey, maybe I'm out of my element. I don't, after all, use AI to help me form my opinions. lol

Americans rarely agree on politics. Outside of the extreme base, they absolutely agree on this. Yes, this forum is out of its element. It’s nothing more than magaD .

“A CBS News poll found that 72% of registered voters believed Biden did not have the mental and cognitive health to serve. This represented an increase from previous polls and included a significant number of Democrats and independents who shared these concerns. “

+45%.

Umm...yeah, I never disagreed on the public opinion portion.

nicknyr15 · September 10

Tim Simmons said:

If we have a floor as an age of when you can be president, we need a ceiling too.

Yes please

Lerxst1992 · September 10

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.
Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok. He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la.

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If travel of that nature is too taxing, then you're simply not capable of being president. Biden wasn't anymore. This isnt about dem or repub, it's a general rule of thumb all Americans should expect from the CIC. If "democrat" candidates want to win, they need to be speaking to people as a concerned citizen of the current issue/state of affairs and not against a republican. All Americans want to feel safe and be able to afford groceries, housing and healthcare. What steps will you take as a politician to make that happen, not what is someone else doing/not doing. Talk to people about their issues, not the issues of the Republican Party as it exists in this moment.

I agree with this, even though I still maintain he's more capable than trump cognitively. It's just annoying all the "he doesn't even know where he is" bullshit we've been hearing around these parts for months. Like all the experts here know how to diagnose dementia from their keyboard.

exactly...and I've mentioned before that my Dad has early Alzheimer's and Biden does not fucking have that or "dementia"...he's just old and slower

I have personal experience as well and my understanding is completely different. Close acquaintances, plural, said that Biden flat out did not recognize them in that year, during extended discussions . That’s not due to someone being tired.

You should know the aging mind handles pressure differently, and it’s that pressure that likely triggered that awful debate performance. The majority of Americans not loyal to the democrats agreed in overwhelming numbers. By a mile, which should be disqualifying on its own it was that bad. Believe what you want.

Clooney? He was mad that Biden didn't recognize him. Dude got old and gray and Biden likely never watched ER

I googled this "number of associates" claim and came away only with Seth Moulton at D-Day ceremony in France, and Clooney. But hey, maybe I'm out of my element. I don't, after all, use AI to help me form my opinions. lol

We are not going to believe the Bob Woodward and Jamie Harrison claims, because they were spoken to.

Harris is literally talking out of both sides of her mouth. I get there’s a social taboo against dementia, and since he declined to be tested, we can just stick with that avoidance and that wretched debate performance as proof he was unfit to serve.

here is the other side of what Harris said, where she is hedging her bets. If he was cognitively fit, there’s no need for this hedge…from the guardian and Katie Couric via ai,

” However, in a later memoir titled "107 Days," she provided a more detailed perspective on the situation. In the book, she refers to the decision to leave the choice of seeking reelection solely to Biden and his wife, Jill Biden, as "recklessness." She argues that the stakes were too high for the decision to be a purely personal one, and that it should not have been left to "an individual's ego, an individual's ambition."

Harris also explains in the book that she felt she was in a difficult position as Vice President to voice any opposition. She believed that if she had advised him against running, it would have been seen as "incredibly self-serving," "naked ambition," and "poisonous disloyalty." She notes that she and others in the administration repeated the phrase, "It's Joe and Jill's decision," as if they were "hypnotized."

Tim Simmons · September 10

If you are gonna be 65 years old by Inauguration Day, you can’t run for president.

HughFreakingDillon · September 10

Tim Simmons said:

If you are gonna be 65 years old by Inauguration Day, you can’t run for president.

why 65? that's actually pretty young by today's standards. Maybe an extensive health exam should be required, instead of an arbitrary number. Like how trans in sports should be handled.

Lerxst1992 · September 10

Tim Simmons said:

If you are gonna be 65 years old by Inauguration Day, you can’t run for president.

If someone is mentally sharp there should be no limitations. That’s why we vote. 270 electoral votes is a fine test. Biden seemed fine in 2020 and perhaps he didnt have cognitive decline, perhaps he was just tired from four years on the most stressful job. A test could have been his friend.

Tim Simmons · September 10

62 is the earliest you can get retirement benefits, and 67 is the average retirement age. I’m splitting the difference there. I understand people above that to be capable. but let’s be realistic here we need people who are not so young and people who are not so old

HughFreakingDillon · September 10

Tim Simmons said:

62 is the earliest you can get retirement benefits, and 67 is the average retirement age. I’m splitting the difference there. I understand people above that to be capable. but let’s be realistic here we need people who are not so young and people who are not so old

My company has a mandatory retirement age of 71 (and as early as 55 if you qualify like I do). I'm not entirely sure why that is, or how they came to that specific age for that. I'll have to ask.

Tim Simmons · September 10

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

If you are gonna be 65 years old by Inauguration Day, you can’t run for president.

If someone is mentally sharp there should be no limitations.

Absolutely not. Make a statistically safe cut off.

Tim Simmons · September 10

Would you equally advocate for a charismatic brilliant and focused 25 year old?

HughFreakingDillon · 4:44AM

Tim Simmons said:

Would you equally advocate for a charismatic brilliant and focused 25 year old?

Life experience is a pretty big factor I think, the type that comes with wisdom and time, whereas cognitive ability at an older age can vary wildly.

I totally get the argument, I just think they're kind of apples and oranges.

cincybearcat · 12:29PM

Kat said:

DE4173 said:

Kat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.
Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

This is also how I saw him from where I am. Didn't he just come from an overseas NATO meeting before the debate? He gave a great speech at that meeting.

He recovered from those trips in D.C. and Delaware from 6/17 to 6/19 and was at Camp David for debate prep from 6/20 to 6/26 leading up to the debate on 6/27.

Ten days, so I'm not sure that qualifies as "just [came] from." 🤷‍♂️

Quite a busy schedule for anyone of that age. I wasn't sure of the timeline so thank you for that.

Perhaps that's why someone that age shouldn't be president?

mickeyrat · 2:34PM

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

DE4173 said:

Kat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.
Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

This is also how I saw him from where I am. Didn't he just come from an overseas NATO meeting before the debate? He gave a great speech at that meeting.

He recovered from those trips in D.C. and Delaware from 6/17 to 6/19 and was at Camp David for debate prep from 6/20 to 6/26 leading up to the debate on 6/27.

Ten days, so I'm not sure that qualifies as "just [came] from." 🤷‍♂️

Quite a busy schedule for anyone of that age. I wasn't sure of the timeline so thank you for that.

Perhaps that's why someone that age shouldn't be president?

or a judge or a senator or representative

Lerxst1992 · 3:20PM

HughFreakingDillon said:

Tim Simmons said:

Would you equally advocate for a charismatic brilliant and focused 25 year old?

Life experience is a pretty big factor I think, the type that comes with wisdom and time, whereas cognitive ability at an older age can vary wildly.

I totally get the argument, I just think they're kind of apples and oranges.

Someone must have taken your account over, so much agreement. Life experience is huge.

The constitution does a pretty good job with minimum age, and making winning 270 electoral votes difficult to accomplish.

In the end, the system worked, because the country overwhelmingly believed Biden was not fit to serve after that debate. The problem was, they were able to keep him out of live, on the spot, stressful appearances until it was too late for the democrats to have a fair and democratic process to select its nominee. The why became irrefutable to the country at large after that debate, and after he refused the detailed test. A year or two earlier perhaps he was fit. That’s why age limits are not the right path.

Tim Simmons · 3:56PM

Look guys this is not an indictment of men of a certain age, but at a certain point theres diminishing returns, i'm saying putting a cap on it minimizes the risk.

HughFreakingDillon · 4:06PM

Tim Simmons said:

Look guys this is not an indictment of men of a certain age, but at a certain point theres diminishing returns, i'm saying putting a cap on it minimizes the risk.

then you significantly narrow your field of candidates, with an arbitrary number. I understand your reasoning, but it could be severely detrimental to who you get to lead your country.

Lerxst1992 · 4:25PM

Of course if more young folks bothered to vote, it could be different. But every election, they are the lowest turnout age demographic.

#46 President Joe Biden

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