#46 President Joe Biden

HughFreakingDillon

just stop it. he clearly was fine when he was speaking off the cuff without prepared notes. there were countless examples of this around the same time as the debate, but some just feel the need to be laser focused on that one performance, rather than the full package. 

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok.  He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la. 

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok.  He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la. 

lol...he's been on camera recently and isn't any different

tbergs

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok.  He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la. 

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If travel of that nature is too taxing, then you're simply not capable of being president. Biden wasn't anymore. This isnt about dem or repub, it's a general rule of thumb all Americans should expect from the CIC. If "democrat" candidates want to win, they need to be speaking to people as a concerned citizen of the current issue/state of affairs and not against a republican. All Americans want to feel safe and be able to afford groceries, housing and healthcare. What steps will you take as a politician to make that happen, not what is someone else doing/not doing. Talk to people about their issues, not the issues of the Republican Party as it exists in this moment.

DE4173

Kat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

This is also how I saw him from where I am. Didn't he just come from an overseas NATO meeting before the debate? He gave a great speech at that meeting. 

He recovered from those trips in D.C. and Delaware from 6/17 to 6/19 and was at Camp David for debate prep from 6/20 to 6/26 leading up to the debate on 6/27.

Ten days, so I'm not sure that qualifies as "just [came] from." 🤷‍♂️ 

HughFreakingDillon

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok.  He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la. 

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If travel of that nature is too taxing, then you're simply not capable of being president. Biden wasn't anymore. This isnt about dem or repub, it's a general rule of thumb all Americans should expect from the CIC. If "democrat" candidates want to win, they need to be speaking to people as a concerned citizen of the current issue/state of affairs and not against a republican. All Americans want to feel safe and be able to afford groceries, housing and healthcare. What steps will you take as a politician to make that happen, not what is someone else doing/not doing. Talk to people about their issues, not the issues of the Republican Party as it exists in this moment.

I agree with this, even though I still maintain he's more capable than trump cognitively. It's just annoying all the "he doesn't even know where he is" bullshit we've been hearing around these parts for months. Like all the experts here know how to diagnose dementia from their keyboard. 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok.  He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la. 

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If travel of that nature is too taxing, then you're simply not capable of being president. Biden wasn't anymore. This isnt about dem or repub, it's a general rule of thumb all Americans should expect from the CIC. If "democrat" candidates want to win, they need to be speaking to people as a concerned citizen of the current issue/state of affairs and not against a republican. All Americans want to feel safe and be able to afford groceries, housing and healthcare. What steps will you take as a politician to make that happen, not what is someone else doing/not doing. Talk to people about their issues, not the issues of the Republican Party as it exists in this moment.

I agree with this, even though I still maintain he's more capable than trump cognitively. It's just annoying all the "he doesn't even know where he is" bullshit we've been hearing around these parts for months. Like all the experts here know how to diagnose dementia from their keyboard. 

exactly...and I've mentioned before that my Dad has early Alzheimer's and Biden does not fucking have that or "dementia"...he's just old and slower

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

just stop it. he clearly was fine when he was speaking off the cuff without prepared notes. there were countless examples of this around the same time as the debate, but some just feel the need to be laser focused on that one performance, rather than the full package. 

Please stop replying to my comments. You are clearly out of your element. And excessively rude.

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

just stop it. he clearly was fine when he was speaking off the cuff without prepared notes. there were countless examples of this around the same time as the debate, but some just feel the need to be laser focused on that one performance, rather than the full package. 

Please stop replying to my comments. You are clearly out of your element. And excessively rude.

feel free to put me on ignore. I'll comment and point out nonsense where I see fit. There was nothing rude about this. 

Halifax2TheMax

Biden: "There is no place in our country for this kind of violence"

From CNN's Cindy Von Quednow

Former President Joe Biden called for an end to political violence after the fatal shooting of conservative activist Charlie Kirk in Utah.

“There is no place in our country for this kind of violence. It must end now,” Biden said in a post on X. “Jill and I are praying for Charlie Kirk’s family and loved ones.”

HughFreakingDillon

that must have been typed by someone else. Biden probably thought it was Captain Kirk.

Kat

DE4173 said:

Kat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

This is also how I saw him from where I am. Didn't he just come from an overseas NATO meeting before the debate? He gave a great speech at that meeting. 

He recovered from those trips in D.C. and Delaware from 6/17 to 6/19 and was at Camp David for debate prep from 6/20 to 6/26 leading up to the debate on 6/27.

Ten days, so I'm not sure that qualifies as "just [came] from." 🤷‍♂️ 

Quite a busy schedule for anyone of that age. I wasn't sure of the timeline so thank you for that. 

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok.  He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la. 

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If travel of that nature is too taxing, then you're simply not capable of being president. Biden wasn't anymore. This isnt about dem or repub, it's a general rule of thumb all Americans should expect from the CIC. If "democrat" candidates want to win, they need to be speaking to people as a concerned citizen of the current issue/state of affairs and not against a republican. All Americans want to feel safe and be able to afford groceries, housing and healthcare. What steps will you take as a politician to make that happen, not what is someone else doing/not doing. Talk to people about their issues, not the issues of the Republican Party as it exists in this moment.

I agree with this, even though I still maintain he's more capable than trump cognitively. It's just annoying all the "he doesn't even know where he is" bullshit we've been hearing around these parts for months. Like all the experts here know how to diagnose dementia from their keyboard. 

exactly...and I've mentioned before that my Dad has early Alzheimer's and Biden does not fucking have that or "dementia"...he's just old and slower

I have personal  experience as well and my understanding is completely different. Close acquaintances, plural, said that Biden flat out did not recognize them in that year, during extended discussions . That’s not due to someone being tired.

You should know the aging mind handles pressure differently, and it’s that pressure that likely triggered that awful debate performance. The majority of Americans not loyal to the democrats agreed in overwhelming numbers. By a mile, which should be disqualifying on its own it was that bad. Believe what you want.

HughFreakingDillon

Feel awful for kirk's kids and wife. They were apparently there. To witness that...ugh

Lerxst1992

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok.  He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la. 

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If travel of that nature is too taxing, then you're simply not capable of being president. Biden wasn't anymore. This isnt about dem or repub, it's a general rule of thumb all Americans should expect from the CIC. If "democrat" candidates want to win, they need to be speaking to people as a concerned citizen of the current issue/state of affairs and not against a republican. All Americans want to feel safe and be able to afford groceries, housing and healthcare. What steps will you take as a politician to make that happen, not what is someone else doing/not doing. Talk to people about their issues, not the issues of the Republican Party as it exists in this moment.

With his future as president on the line, he took zero medical test to prove assertions that “Joe was fine” after that record breaking debate performance. CBS news via AI,

” However, the White House stated that he did not undergo a specific, extensive cognitive test. A neurological exam, which he did undergo, is generally more basic and focuses on things like motor strength and sensation, while a full neurocognitive test is more in-depth and can take hours, measuring things like memory, communication, and motor skills. When asked in the past about taking a cognitive test, Biden stated that his daily work as president served as his own test. “


if that were trump saying that, we KNOW how this forum would respond. 

Lerxst1992

I’ll agree to completely take the assertion of dementia completely off the table.

 However, that record-breaking debate performance plus a number of his associates who he knew personally for years said flat out he did not recognize them in that last year. Those two factors alone are disqualifying, for those who want to split hairs and say no dementia because There was no medical test performed. We know why there was no medical test performed, but let’s leave that completely off the table. 

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok.  He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la. 

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If travel of that nature is too taxing, then you're simply not capable of being president. Biden wasn't anymore. This isnt about dem or repub, it's a general rule of thumb all Americans should expect from the CIC. If "democrat" candidates want to win, they need to be speaking to people as a concerned citizen of the current issue/state of affairs and not against a republican. All Americans want to feel safe and be able to afford groceries, housing and healthcare. What steps will you take as a politician to make that happen, not what is someone else doing/not doing. Talk to people about their issues, not the issues of the Republican Party as it exists in this moment.

I agree with this, even though I still maintain he's more capable than trump cognitively. It's just annoying all the "he doesn't even know where he is" bullshit we've been hearing around these parts for months. Like all the experts here know how to diagnose dementia from their keyboard. 

exactly...and I've mentioned before that my Dad has early Alzheimer's and Biden does not fucking have that or "dementia"...he's just old and slower

I have personal  experience as well and my understanding is completely different. Close acquaintances, plural, said that Biden flat out did not recognize them in that year, during extended discussions . That’s not due to someone being tired.

You should know the aging mind handles pressure differently, and it’s that pressure that likely triggered that awful debate performance. The majority of Americans not loyal to the democrats agreed in overwhelming numbers. By a mile, which should be disqualifying on its own it was that bad. Believe what you want.

Clooney? He was mad that Biden didn't recognize him. Dude got old and gray and Biden likely never watched ER

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok.  He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la. 

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If travel of that nature is too taxing, then you're simply not capable of being president. Biden wasn't anymore. This isnt about dem or repub, it's a general rule of thumb all Americans should expect from the CIC. If "democrat" candidates want to win, they need to be speaking to people as a concerned citizen of the current issue/state of affairs and not against a republican. All Americans want to feel safe and be able to afford groceries, housing and healthcare. What steps will you take as a politician to make that happen, not what is someone else doing/not doing. Talk to people about their issues, not the issues of the Republican Party as it exists in this moment.

I agree with this, even though I still maintain he's more capable than trump cognitively. It's just annoying all the "he doesn't even know where he is" bullshit we've been hearing around these parts for months. Like all the experts here know how to diagnose dementia from their keyboard. 

exactly...and I've mentioned before that my Dad has early Alzheimer's and Biden does not fucking have that or "dementia"...he's just old and slower

I have personal  experience as well and my understanding is completely different. Close acquaintances, plural, said that Biden flat out did not recognize them in that year, during extended discussions . That’s not due to someone being tired.

You should know the aging mind handles pressure differently, and it’s that pressure that likely triggered that awful debate performance. The majority of Americans not loyal to the democrats agreed in overwhelming numbers. By a mile, which should be disqualifying on its own it was that bad. Believe what you want.

Clooney? He was mad that Biden didn't recognize him. Dude got old and gray and Biden likely never watched ER

I googled this "number of associates" claim and came away only with Seth Moulton at D-Day ceremony in France, and Clooney. But hey, maybe I'm out of my element. I don't, after all, use AI to help me form my opinions. lol

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

from the article:

She also tackles what was one of the trickiest topics facing her as she set out to put this memoir together: how Biden’s age took a public and private toll.

Harris disputes that there was any serious problem.

“On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired,” Harris writes. “That’s when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don’t believe it was incapacity. If I believed that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country.”

that's fair...and seems to follow what other aides have said

It has also been my opinion of Biden. Capable but the optics were bad. Unfortunately our system has turned into a WWF event.

Capable but fly to europe and then the west coast and can't hardly speak.... it was visible to everyone, he was not ok.  He might not have had many moments as bad as that, but I feel this is disingenuous of ,la. 

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If travel of that nature is too taxing, then you're simply not capable of being president. Biden wasn't anymore. This isnt about dem or repub, it's a general rule of thumb all Americans should expect from the CIC. If "democrat" candidates want to win, they need to be speaking to people as a concerned citizen of the current issue/state of affairs and not against a republican. All Americans want to feel safe and be able to afford groceries, housing and healthcare. What steps will you take as a politician to make that happen, not what is someone else doing/not doing. Talk to people about their issues, not the issues of the Republican Party as it exists in this moment.

I agree with this, even though I still maintain he's more capable than trump cognitively. It's just annoying all the "he doesn't even know where he is" bullshit we've been hearing around these parts for months. Like all the experts here know how to diagnose dementia from their keyboard. 

exactly...and I've mentioned before that my Dad has early Alzheimer's and Biden does not fucking have that or "dementia"...he's just old and slower

I have personal  experience as well and my understanding is completely different. Close acquaintances, plural, said that Biden flat out did not recognize them in that year, during extended discussions . That’s not due to someone being tired.

You should know the aging mind handles pressure differently, and it’s that pressure that likely triggered that awful debate performance. The majority of Americans not loyal to the democrats agreed in overwhelming numbers. By a mile, which should be disqualifying on its own it was that bad. Believe what you want.

Clooney? He was mad that Biden didn't recognize him. Dude got old and gray and Biden likely never watched ER

I googled this "number of associates" claim and came away only with Seth Moulton at D-Day ceremony in France, and Clooney. But hey, maybe I'm out of my element. I don't, after all, use AI to help me form my opinions. lol

Americans rarely agree on politics. Outside of the extreme base, they absolutely agree on this. Yes, this forum is out of its element. It’s nothing more than magaD . 

“A CBS News poll found that 72% of registered voters believed Biden did not have the mental and cognitive health to serve. This represented an increase from previous polls and included a significant number of Democrats and independents who shared these concerns. “


+45%.

josevolution

HughFreakingDillon said:

that must have been typed by someone else. Biden probably thought it was Captain Kirk.

😂😂