#46 President Joe Biden

Tim Simmons

I think if your art is imbued with your politics, I can see how people may think its difficult to for people who don't share that ideology to find enjoyment in it.

Obviusly not all PJ songs are political, but they certainly let you know where they stand politically in interviews and on stage and in actions as well as some of the songs. 

Indifference

gimmesometruth27 said:

imagine singing along to pj songs and being oblivious of the lyrics and their meaning.

Imagine thinking you have to overanalyze lyrics to feel music. Sometimes you connect emotionally before you intellectualize. songs hit people on all kinds of levels, whether they know every reference or not. It’s ok to be able to think for yourself as well.

Tim Simmons

I've always believed conservative PJ fans are just trying to relive their 1991-1994 in their heads because one time they got to second base while Dissident was playing. 

shecky

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

cincybearcat said:

I do wish there was a very easy way to track who posts, who asks those posters questions, and whether or not that poster ever answers.  If they do not answer questions (not all, but at least some) ... boot them from the page.  It's a discussion board.

Good idea except that some of the posters have most of the PJ fans on ignore so they don't see comments and opinions that align with PJs beliefs. Therefore they can't/won't respond.

Music is universal. Not sure what PJs beliefs have to do with anything.  You bring that up very often and I just don’t get it. Good music is good music. Not everything has to be drenched in politics. You think their fan base is 80-90% dem? I’m willing to bet it’s 50/50 , 60/40 the most. And why shouldn’t it be? 

All very good points. 

Lerxst1992

shecky said:

FiveBelow said:

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

cincybearcat said:

I do wish there was a very easy way to track who posts, who asks those posters questions, and whether or not that poster ever answers.  If they do not answer questions (not all, but at least some) ... boot them from the page.  It's a discussion board.

Good idea except that some of the posters have most of the PJ fans on ignore so they don't see comments and opinions that align with PJs beliefs. Therefore they can't/won't respond.

Music is universal. Not sure what PJs beliefs have to do with anything.  You bring that up very often and I just don’t get it. Good music is good music. Not everything has to be drenched in politics. You think their fan base is 80-90% dem? I’m willing to bet it’s 50/50 , 60/40 the most. And why shouldn’t it be? 

It’s a weird stance for sure. The feeling I get hearing a certain riff or lyric has never been ideologically driven, it comes from somewhere I can’t otherwise tap into. I’d assume this happens in all humans, and it shouldn’t be shocking that Pearl Jam is enjoyed by more than just people who identify as liberal. 

I agree, a very weird stance indeed. As I asked here several weeks ago, who made up this rule that one has to have the same political beliefs as the performers they enjoy watching do? And, does this rule apply to all forms of entertainment - such as magicians, actors and atheletes, too? 

Anyone at MSG last fall? The singer, I forget his name,  was loudly booed for criticizing Republicans. In the largest democratic city no less.

Indifference

Tim Simmons said:

I've always believed conservative PJ fans are just trying to relive their 1991-1994 in their heads because one time they got to second base while Dissident was playing. 

That would be hard to do in 1991 or 1992.

Gern Blansten

shecky said:

FiveBelow said:

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

cincybearcat said:

I do wish there was a very easy way to track who posts, who asks those posters questions, and whether or not that poster ever answers.  If they do not answer questions (not all, but at least some) ... boot them from the page.  It's a discussion board.

Good idea except that some of the posters have most of the PJ fans on ignore so they don't see comments and opinions that align with PJs beliefs. Therefore they can't/won't respond.

Music is universal. Not sure what PJs beliefs have to do with anything.  You bring that up very often and I just don’t get it. Good music is good music. Not everything has to be drenched in politics. You think their fan base is 80-90% dem? I’m willing to bet it’s 50/50 , 60/40 the most. And why shouldn’t it be? 

It’s a weird stance for sure. The feeling I get hearing a certain riff or lyric has never been ideologically driven, it comes from somewhere I can’t otherwise tap into. I’d assume this happens in all humans, and it shouldn’t be shocking that Pearl Jam is enjoyed by more than just people who identify as liberal. 

I agree, a very weird stance indeed. As I asked here several weeks ago, who made up this rule that one has to have the same political beliefs as the performers they enjoy watching do? And, does this rule apply to all forms of entertainment - such as magicians, actors and atheletes, too? 

There is no rule shecky...it's just hypocrisy in some cases

Kind of like magats that go to church on Sunday but ignore the teachings of Jesus as it applies to virtually every trump policy that they support

Tim Simmons

Indifference said:

Tim Simmons said:

I've always believed conservative PJ fans are just trying to relive their 1991-1994 in their heads because one time they got to second base while Dissident was playing. 

That would be hard to do in 1991 or 1992.

HughFreakingDillon

Indifference said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

imagine singing along to pj songs and being oblivious of the lyrics and their meaning.

Imagine thinking you have to overanalyze lyrics to feel music. Sometimes you connect emotionally before you intellectualize. songs hit people on all kinds of levels, whether they know every reference or not. It’s ok to be able to think for yourself as well.

I agree with this. As a lyrics guy, I wouldn't be able to sing along to songs that go against my personal beliefs. But, as you said, everyone connects to the music in different ways. 

But I also admittedly have a hard time enjoying an artist's music if I have an extreme difference in views; Billy Corgan is often a blowhard jerk. I sometimes have a hard time connecting to his music for that reason. It's not wrong, it's just how it is. 

I don't blame people for not listening to pearl jam because of their views, just like I don't blame people who still listen to them in spite of their views. 

nicknyr15

Indifference said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

imagine singing along to pj songs and being oblivious of the lyrics and their meaning.

Imagine thinking you have to overanalyze lyrics to feel music. Sometimes you connect emotionally before you intellectualize. songs hit people on all kinds of levels, whether they know every reference or not. It’s ok to be able to think for yourself as well.

Absolutely