#46 President Joe Biden

Tim Simmons

I think if your art is imbued with your politics, I can see how people may think its difficult to for people who don't share that ideology to find enjoyment in it.

Obviusly not all PJ songs are political, but they certainly let you know where they stand politically in interviews and on stage and in actions as well as some of the songs. 

Indifference

gimmesometruth27 said:

imagine singing along to pj songs and being oblivious of the lyrics and their meaning.

Imagine thinking you have to overanalyze lyrics to feel music. Sometimes you connect emotionally before you intellectualize. songs hit people on all kinds of levels, whether they know every reference or not. It’s ok to be able to think for yourself as well.

Tim Simmons

I've always believed conservative PJ fans are just trying to relive their 1991-1994 in their heads because one time they got to second base while Dissident was playing. 

shecky

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

cincybearcat said:

I do wish there was a very easy way to track who posts, who asks those posters questions, and whether or not that poster ever answers.  If they do not answer questions (not all, but at least some) ... boot them from the page.  It's a discussion board.

Good idea except that some of the posters have most of the PJ fans on ignore so they don't see comments and opinions that align with PJs beliefs. Therefore they can't/won't respond.

Music is universal. Not sure what PJs beliefs have to do with anything.  You bring that up very often and I just don’t get it. Good music is good music. Not everything has to be drenched in politics. You think their fan base is 80-90% dem? I’m willing to bet it’s 50/50 , 60/40 the most. And why shouldn’t it be? 

All very good points. 

Lerxst1992

shecky said:

FiveBelow said:

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

cincybearcat said:

I do wish there was a very easy way to track who posts, who asks those posters questions, and whether or not that poster ever answers.  If they do not answer questions (not all, but at least some) ... boot them from the page.  It's a discussion board.

Good idea except that some of the posters have most of the PJ fans on ignore so they don't see comments and opinions that align with PJs beliefs. Therefore they can't/won't respond.

Music is universal. Not sure what PJs beliefs have to do with anything.  You bring that up very often and I just don’t get it. Good music is good music. Not everything has to be drenched in politics. You think their fan base is 80-90% dem? I’m willing to bet it’s 50/50 , 60/40 the most. And why shouldn’t it be? 

It’s a weird stance for sure. The feeling I get hearing a certain riff or lyric has never been ideologically driven, it comes from somewhere I can’t otherwise tap into. I’d assume this happens in all humans, and it shouldn’t be shocking that Pearl Jam is enjoyed by more than just people who identify as liberal. 

I agree, a very weird stance indeed. As I asked here several weeks ago, who made up this rule that one has to have the same political beliefs as the performers they enjoy watching do? And, does this rule apply to all forms of entertainment - such as magicians, actors and atheletes, too? 

Anyone at MSG last fall? The singer, I forget his name,  was loudly booed for criticizing Republicans. In the largest democratic city no less.

Indifference

Tim Simmons said:

I've always believed conservative PJ fans are just trying to relive their 1991-1994 in their heads because one time they got to second base while Dissident was playing. 

That would be hard to do in 1991 or 1992.

Gern Blansten

shecky said:

FiveBelow said:

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

cincybearcat said:

I do wish there was a very easy way to track who posts, who asks those posters questions, and whether or not that poster ever answers.  If they do not answer questions (not all, but at least some) ... boot them from the page.  It's a discussion board.

Good idea except that some of the posters have most of the PJ fans on ignore so they don't see comments and opinions that align with PJs beliefs. Therefore they can't/won't respond.

Music is universal. Not sure what PJs beliefs have to do with anything.  You bring that up very often and I just don’t get it. Good music is good music. Not everything has to be drenched in politics. You think their fan base is 80-90% dem? I’m willing to bet it’s 50/50 , 60/40 the most. And why shouldn’t it be? 

It’s a weird stance for sure. The feeling I get hearing a certain riff or lyric has never been ideologically driven, it comes from somewhere I can’t otherwise tap into. I’d assume this happens in all humans, and it shouldn’t be shocking that Pearl Jam is enjoyed by more than just people who identify as liberal. 

I agree, a very weird stance indeed. As I asked here several weeks ago, who made up this rule that one has to have the same political beliefs as the performers they enjoy watching do? And, does this rule apply to all forms of entertainment - such as magicians, actors and atheletes, too? 

There is no rule shecky...it's just hypocrisy in some cases

Kind of like magats that go to church on Sunday but ignore the teachings of Jesus as it applies to virtually every trump policy that they support

Tim Simmons

Indifference said:

Tim Simmons said:

I've always believed conservative PJ fans are just trying to relive their 1991-1994 in their heads because one time they got to second base while Dissident was playing. 

That would be hard to do in 1991 or 1992.

HughFreakingDillon

Indifference said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

imagine singing along to pj songs and being oblivious of the lyrics and their meaning.

Imagine thinking you have to overanalyze lyrics to feel music. Sometimes you connect emotionally before you intellectualize. songs hit people on all kinds of levels, whether they know every reference or not. It’s ok to be able to think for yourself as well.

I agree with this. As a lyrics guy, I wouldn't be able to sing along to songs that go against my personal beliefs. But, as you said, everyone connects to the music in different ways. 

But I also admittedly have a hard time enjoying an artist's music if I have an extreme difference in views; Billy Corgan is often a blowhard jerk. I sometimes have a hard time connecting to his music for that reason. It's not wrong, it's just how it is. 

I don't blame people for not listening to pearl jam because of their views, just like I don't blame people who still listen to them in spite of their views. 

nicknyr15

Indifference said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

imagine singing along to pj songs and being oblivious of the lyrics and their meaning.

Imagine thinking you have to overanalyze lyrics to feel music. Sometimes you connect emotionally before you intellectualize. songs hit people on all kinds of levels, whether they know every reference or not. It’s ok to be able to think for yourself as well.

Absolutely 

gimmesometruth27

Indifference said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

imagine singing along to pj songs and being oblivious of the lyrics and their meaning.

Imagine thinking you have to overanalyze lyrics to feel music. Sometimes you connect emotionally before you intellectualize. songs hit people on all kinds of levels, whether they know every reference or not. It’s ok to be able to think for yourself as well.

i am a lyrics person. if the person's lyrics are shit, its a shit band. see kid rock, limp bizkit, ted nugent, etc. 

Halifax2TheMax

gimmesometruth27 said:

Indifference said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

imagine singing along to pj songs and being oblivious of the lyrics and their meaning.

Imagine thinking you have to overanalyze lyrics to feel music. Sometimes you connect emotionally before you intellectualize. songs hit people on all kinds of levels, whether they know every reference or not. It’s ok to be able to think for yourself as well.

i am a lyrics person. if the person's lyrics are shit, its a shit band. see kid rock, limp bizkit, ted nugent, etc. 

Speaking of which, what does that ven diagram of PJ, TN, KR look like?

Halifax2TheMax

Never mind! AI is fun!

 what does a Venn diagram of Pearl Jam, Kid Rock and Ted Nugent fans look like?

A proper Venn diagram illustrating the fanbases of Pearl Jam, Kid Rock, and Ted Nugent would show almost no overlap, as their music styles and associated demographics are sharply distinct. The diagram would feature three separate, or nearly separate, circles.

How a Venn diagram of these fanbases would look

Little to no intersection

A traditional Venn diagram shows all possible intersections between sets. But in the case of these three artists, the overlapping areas would be very small or empty, representing a negligible number of fans who genuinely appreciate all three. The reason for the separation lies in the artists' radically different musical styles and political associations.

• Pearl Jam: A major band of the 1990s grunge movement. Their fans typically value introspective, socially conscious, and lyrically complex rock music. The band is known for its left-leaning politics and activism.
• Kid Rock: A musician who blended rock, country, and hip-hop in the 1990s and 2000s before shifting toward conservative political commentary. His fanbase is often described as working-class and is strongly associated with the MAGA movement.
• Ted Nugent: A hard rock and heavy metal guitarist who rose to prominence in the 1970s. He is a prominent political conservative and outspoken activist for gun rights and hunting. His fanbase largely consists of older, hard rock enthusiasts who share his political leanings.

The overlapping zones

• Pearl Jam + Kid Rock fans: This intersection would be very small. A potential crossover fan might be someone who appreciated the anti-establishment ethos of both artists in the 1990s before their political paths diverged significantly.
• Pearl Jam + Ted Nugent fans: This intersection would also be very small, if it exists at all. The bands represent different eras and subgenres of rock, and their political positions are generally considered to be on opposite ends of the spectrum.
• Kid Rock + Ted Nugent fans: This intersection would be the most substantial of the three, but still not large. Both artists attract a politically conservative fanbase and are known for their outspoken advocacy for gun rights. A fan of one is more likely to also be a fan of the other than of Pearl Jam.
• Pearl Jam + Kid Rock + Ted Nugent fans: This hypothetical intersection would likely be empty. No common musical style or political views unite these three artists.

DE4173

Halifax2TheMax said:

Never mind! AI is fun!

 what does a Venn diagram of Pearl Jam, Kid Rock and Ted Nugent fans look like?

A proper Venn diagram illustrating the fanbases of Pearl Jam, Kid Rock, and Ted Nugent would show almost no overlap, as their music styles and associated demographics are sharply distinct. The diagram would feature three separate, or nearly separate, circles.

How a Venn diagram of these fanbases would look

Little to no intersection

A traditional Venn diagram shows all possible intersections between sets. But in the case of these three artists, the overlapping areas would be very small or empty, representing a negligible number of fans who genuinely appreciate all three. The reason for the separation lies in the artists' radically different musical styles and political associations.

• Pearl Jam: A major band of the 1990s grunge movement. Their fans typically value introspective, socially conscious, and lyrically complex rock music. The band is known for its left-leaning politics and activism.
• Kid Rock: A musician who blended rock, country, and hip-hop in the 1990s and 2000s before shifting toward conservative political commentary. His fanbase is often described as working-class and is strongly associated with the MAGA movement.
• Ted Nugent: A hard rock and heavy metal guitarist who rose to prominence in the 1970s. He is a prominent political conservative and outspoken activist for gun rights and hunting. His fanbase largely consists of older, hard rock enthusiasts who share his political leanings.

The overlapping zones

• Pearl Jam + Kid Rock fans: This intersection would be very small. A potential crossover fan might be someone who appreciated the anti-establishment ethos of both artists in the 1990s before their political paths diverged significantly.
• Pearl Jam + Ted Nugent fans: This intersection would also be very small, if it exists at all. The bands represent different eras and subgenres of rock, and their political positions are generally considered to be on opposite ends of the spectrum.
• Kid Rock + Ted Nugent fans: This intersection would be the most substantial of the three, but still not large. Both artists attract a politically conservative fanbase and are known for their outspoken advocacy for gun rights. A fan of one is more likely to also be a fan of the other than of Pearl Jam.
• Pearl Jam + Kid Rock + Ted Nugent fans: This hypothetical intersection would likely be empty. No common musical style or political views unite these three artists.

gimmesometruth27

ai still sucks ass and stifles discussion.

HughFreakingDillon

what's funny is that my old roommate would most definitely fit into that venn diagram. lovable chap who likes a good song you can sing along to, doesn't care about lyrics or politics. I'd assume there'd be loads more like him. 

mace1229

gimmesometruth27 said:

imagine singing along to pj songs and being oblivious of the lyrics and their meaning.

Most of my favorite and early songs have nothing to do with left vs right. 

Alive, release, Black, rvm, elderly woman, corduroy, breath, solat, etc. all have nothing to do with politics.
I think I was into PJ for years before I was aware of their politics. At least to the extent that they are. No internet, no YouTube to watch videos, only a couple bootlegs. I had no idea of their political views listening to Vs and vitalogy. I don’t think I even saw the unplugged show for the first time until about 99 or 2000 when someone gave me a vhs copy. If you didn’t catch a rerun live on MTV, you didn’t see it.

 Why would anyone suddenly start disliking the music they’ve loved for years just because they don’t like their politics?

josevolution

Just the fact that PJ was totally against a giant like TM back in the 90’s and seeing Ed with arm message I clearly knew of their political views! But I was already infatuated with them by 92 but but if the band would of turned and started writing anti immigrant songs or anti gay community songs I would of dropped them like a rock 

Bentleyspop

josevolution said:

Just the fact that PJ was totally against a giant like TM back in the 90’s and seeing Ed with arm message I clearly knew of their political views! But I was already infatuated with them by 92 but but if the band would of turned and started writing anti immigrant songs or anti gay community songs I would of dropped them like a rock 

This is my feeling. 
There have been a few bands/artists I liked and supported by buying their releases and concert tickets that I dropped when I became aware of their political beliefs. 

cincybearcat

So....Just asking for a friend, how aligned do you need to be politically with an entertainer to enjoy what they do?  I mean is it 100%?  50%?  Asking the experts here...