Law Enforcement. The Good , The Bad and The Abusive

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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,812
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/elderly-jewelry-store-owner-hospitalized-after-smash-and-grab-robbery-leaves-san-jose-shop-destroyed

    We need to double or triple our police forces! And elect prosecutors who will actually prosecute!
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,872
    We have the largest carceral system in the world. Pretty sure we’re locking people away. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,872
    I think community investment would be better than more policing. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,599
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    shecky said:
    What the f*ck is going on? All of these perpetrators have lengthy rap sheets. Lock 'em up! FOREVER!



    War on white people. All part of the white replacement plan.
    For someone who calls everyone else stupid…… that’s some comment.  
    Except stupid believes it and half of my comment came from shecky’s post. Stupid indeed. And let’s not pretend that the “white replacement theory” isn’t a thing.
    How about discussing the incident? You have any thoughts on how to handle people, NO MATTER THE COLOR, that break the law 10,15,20,40 times? I don’t have the answer. But I’m sure you do? At least thoughts and prayers for the victim and their family? 
    When any “crime incident” is politicized to blame one race over another and an elected leader speaks to an incident as “a war on white people,” I’m disgusted. Any of my thoughts on crime prevention, rehabilitation and punishment would be lost on someone such as yourself who chose to personally attack me, seemingly not having read the full content of Shecky’s post, rather than “discuss the incident.”

    I suppose if the victim could have open carried maybe she’d be alive and the perp dead? Or maybe if the national guard was riding the rails as opposed to picking up trash, she’d be alive? What are your thoughts on the incident seeing how you’re so interested in mine?
    Personally attack? Hilarious coming from you. Any of my thoughts would be lost on someone like you. Just look at that last paragraph. Same old same old. 
    It’s okay, I only played my two of diamonds from my victimhood deck. 51 more left to play.
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,306
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    shecky said:
    What the f*ck is going on? All of these perpetrators have lengthy rap sheets. Lock 'em up! FOREVER!



    War on white people. All part of the white replacement plan.
    For someone who calls everyone else stupid…… that’s some comment.  
    Except stupid believes it and half of my comment came from shecky’s post. Stupid indeed. And let’s not pretend that the “white replacement theory” isn’t a thing.
    How about discussing the incident? You have any thoughts on how to handle people, NO MATTER THE COLOR, that break the law 10,15,20,40 times? I don’t have the answer. But I’m sure you do? At least thoughts and prayers for the victim and their family? 
    When any “crime incident” is politicized to blame one race over another and an elected leader speaks to an incident as “a war on white people,” I’m disgusted. Any of my thoughts on crime prevention, rehabilitation and punishment would be lost on someone such as yourself who chose to personally attack me, seemingly not having read the full content of Shecky’s post, rather than “discuss the incident.”

    I suppose if the victim could have open carried maybe she’d be alive and the perp dead? Or maybe if the national guard was riding the rails as opposed to picking up trash, she’d be alive? What are your thoughts on the incident seeing how you’re so interested in mine?
    Personally attack? Hilarious coming from you. Any of my thoughts would be lost on someone like you. Just look at that last paragraph. Same old same old. 
    It’s okay, I only played my two of diamonds from my victimhood deck. 51 more left to play.
    Seems hypocritical but you do you. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,380
    shecky said:
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/elderly-jewelry-store-owner-hospitalized-after-smash-and-grab-robbery-leaves-san-jose-shop-destroyed

    We need to double or triple our police forces! And elect prosecutors who will actually prosecute!
    lol...how you paying for that?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,679
    it's so insane to have someone (seemingly) seriously suggest they want to live in a police state. Need a time machine to 1930's germany?
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,446
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's so insane to have someone (seemingly) seriously suggest they want to live in a police state. Need a time machine to 1930's germany?
    Is there commonality? Did the 1930 citizens of Germany fear the other and believe they were over running their cities with crime? First you divide the people and then you start feeding them jaded and partial information to get them to support the next step, authoritarian control and the current admin as the only one's who will do something.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,599
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's so insane to have someone (seemingly) seriously suggest they want to live in a police state. Need a time machine to 1930's germany?
    Need a Time Machine? We’re already there.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's so insane to have someone (seemingly) seriously suggest they want to live in a police state. Need a time machine to 1930's germany?
    Yeah a police state wouldn’t help much considering how many violent criminals are let out of prison after their arrest in this country. The subhuman that stabbed the Ukrainian girl to death in Charlotte has been arrested 14 times, yet for his most recent arrest, he was let loose without any cash bail. Of course he was. 


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  • nicknyr15
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's so insane to have someone (seemingly) seriously suggest they want to live in a police state. Need a time machine to 1930's germany?
    Yeah a police state wouldn’t help much considering how many violent criminals are let out of prison after their arrest in this country. The subhuman that stabbed the Ukrainian girl to death in Charlotte has been arrested 14 times, yet for his most recent arrest, he was let loose without any cash bail. Of course he was. 


    Nothing can be done. Thoughts and prayers. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,872
    edited September 9
    A little more context on the "cashless bail" system of NC

    https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/nc-bail-system-explained-9-9-2025/275-b1076285-ce70-439b-95fb-3f60f68b6bcd

    with this tag

    Court records show that in January, Brown was arrested for allegedly making several 9-1-1 calls. Court documents also show he was released on a written promise to appear, meaning he did not have to pay money to the court.

    For prior arrests, he has had to pay bail.


  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,872
    edited September 9
    Added context, he suffers from schizophrenia and that led to prior arrests.


    So...mental health issues.

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,997
    Tim Simmons said:
    A little more context on the "cashless bail" system of NC

    https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/nc-bail-system-explained-9-9-2025/275-b1076285-ce70-439b-95fb-3f60f68b6bcd

    with this tag

    Court records show that in January, Brown was arrested for allegedly making several 9-1-1 calls. Court documents also show he was released on a written promise to appear, meaning he did not have to pay money to the court.

    For prior arrests, he has had to pay bail.


    Fair enough. Not his worst offense. But I think after so many arrests, including for armed robbery, a written promise is ridiculous. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,679
    nicknyr15 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's so insane to have someone (seemingly) seriously suggest they want to live in a police state. Need a time machine to 1930's germany?
    Yeah a police state wouldn’t help much considering how many violent criminals are let out of prison after their arrest in this country. The subhuman that stabbed the Ukrainian girl to death in Charlotte has been arrested 14 times, yet for his most recent arrest, he was let loose without any cash bail. Of course he was. 


    Nothing can be done. Thoughts and prayers. 
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,812

    NOBODY DID ANYTHING TO HELP HER. 
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,812
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/leavitt-blasts-many-outlets-room-briefing-failing-cover-murder-iryna-zarutska


  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,812

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,599
    shecky said:

    NOBODY DID ANYTHING TO HELP HER. 
    Are you sure?

    Zarutska died on the train from her injuries as passengers kneeled over her trying to help. Brown has been charged with first-degree murder in her killing.

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,714
    DarthMaeglin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    He was, but bail in this situation is pretty standard. It's easy to point fingers in hindsight, but you can't deny bail to every single person accused of assault. 

    Court records show 26-year-old Tyrone Simard was charged with assault with a weapon and mischief for alleged offences that happened June 8.

    The records show a Winnipeg court granted his release June 12 with various conditions, including a curfew and an order to not use drugs or alcohol or possess weapons.

    That does raise another angle that needs to be addressed then: enforcement of those conditions. Have we gotten the toxicology tests back yet?

    Assault with a weapon is much more serious than “simple” assault to most people.

    In the end, though, the simple fact remains, he intentionally killed someone with a weapon while he was out on conditions that should have prevented the second incident. So another black mark on our bail system.

    Getting back on topic, with Canadian bail as a backdrop, I completely understand the police if they feel a sense of futility as they perform their duties.

    Just a general question that I'll ask you, but but what is  the purpose of bail to begin with?

    I would assume the presumption of innocence applies in canada like it does here, no?
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