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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,011
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i stand by my assertion that it is time for pelosi, schumer, and the old guard to go out to pasture. either by retirement, or getting primaried.
    the dems have lost what should have been layup elections. in 2024 especially.

    also they failed to run manchin and sinema out of the party years ago. if someone cannot get on board with the rest of the party they can be an independent.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    I don't think things are that bad for the dems. 2024 wasn't really a layup...it should have been no doubt but inflation, etc., and a GOP willing to run Satan as their candidate got them over the mark.

    We have time to regroup for 2028. I think 2026 will shift the House and give us some breathing room.


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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i stand by my assertion that it is time for pelosi, schumer, and the old guard to go out to pasture. either by retirement, or getting primaried.
    I totally agree. But I don't know that this would keep the party from trying to be centrist and cozying up to MAGA with seeming ignorance that a chunk of its old base is starting to feel politically homeless.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,011
    OnWis97 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i stand by my assertion that it is time for pelosi, schumer, and the old guard to go out to pasture. either by retirement, or getting primaried.
    I totally agree. But I don't know that this would keep the party from trying to be centrist and cozying up to MAGA with seeming ignorance that a chunk of its old base is starting to feel politically homeless.
    the majority of the party feels politically homeless. i know i do. 

    that party will not fight. the majority of them went on record in the impeachment vote as being ok with trump's actions, so what is the point of even having an opposition party?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i stand by my assertion that it is time for pelosi, schumer, and the old guard to go out to pasture. either by retirement, or getting primaried.
    the dems have lost what should have been layup elections. in 2024 especially.

    also they failed to run manchin and sinema out of the party years ago. if someone cannot get on board with the rest of the party they can be an independent.
    Do you think Murkowski and Collins should be run out of their party?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,011
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i stand by my assertion that it is time for pelosi, schumer, and the old guard to go out to pasture. either by retirement, or getting primaried.
    the dems have lost what should have been layup elections. in 2024 especially.

    also they failed to run manchin and sinema out of the party years ago. if someone cannot get on board with the rest of the party they can be an independent.
    Do you think Murkowski and Collins should be run out of their party?
    murkowski is seeing her way out. 

    collins has "concerns" but always votes with the party.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i stand by my assertion that it is time for pelosi, schumer, and the old guard to go out to pasture. either by retirement, or getting primaried.
    the dems have lost what should have been layup elections. in 2024 especially.

    also they failed to run manchin and sinema out of the party years ago. if someone cannot get on board with the rest of the party they can be an independent.
    Do you think Murkowski and Collins should be run out of their party?
    murkowski is seeing her way out. 

    collins has "concerns" but always votes with the party.
    I don't mind centrists.  Let's be honest, if Manchin didn't play this card for years, the R's would have had that WV seat long ago.  He can vote where he wants, but the caucus is important for leadership, committees, etc. 

    Sinema knew after her last election that she would not get through the primary in AZ considering her views.  So she left.  Problem solved. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    edited June 25
    For the “dems are terrible at messaging/trump is dems fault” crowd, let me make this as clear as day for you(been saying this for months)


    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,656
    edited June 25
    Way to go Mamdani. I am loving watching the establishment Dems freaking out about it, lol. Doofuses. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,004
    Yup, “the other” versus wonky policy legislation like the Infrastructure and Investment Jobs Act. Or “the other” versus the Bi-partisan Border Bill.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,869
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i stand by my assertion that it is time for pelosi, schumer, and the old guard to go out to pasture. either by retirement, or getting primaried.
    the dems have lost what should have been layup elections. in 2024 especially.

    also they failed to run manchin and sinema out of the party years ago. if someone cannot get on board with the rest of the party they can be an independent.
    Do you think Murkowski and Collins should be run out of their party?
     

    collins has "concerns" but always votes with the party.
    With a furrowed eyebrow.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,011
    it looks like cuomo is going to stay on the ballot for nyc mayor in november. 

    this fuckin guy...
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,011
    forgot the link....

    Cuomo will stay on NYC mayor’s ballot after conceding Democratic primary to Mamdani, sources tell CNN


    https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/26/politics/cuomo-mamdani-mayor-november-ballot
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    forgot the link....

    Cuomo will stay on NYC mayor’s ballot after conceding Democratic primary to Mamdani, sources tell CNN


    https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/26/politics/cuomo-mamdani-mayor-november-ballot
    I thought it was Adams that was going to be on the ballot. Is it both?
  • Tim Simmons
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,004
    Tim Simmons said:
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    Cage match? Or back yard trampoline? With thumb tacks?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,011
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    forgot the link....

    Cuomo will stay on NYC mayor’s ballot after conceding Democratic primary to Mamdani, sources tell CNN


    https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/26/politics/cuomo-mamdani-mayor-november-ballot
    I thought it was Adams that was going to be on the ballot. Is it both?
    both
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,063
    Split the progressive vote three ways and hand the governorship to,an unqualified conservative, seems like the current Dem playbook.  Who really still believes this isn’t a scripted soap opera at this point?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,004
    static111 said:
    Split the progressive vote three ways and hand the governorship to,an unqualified conservative, seems like the current Dem playbook.  Who really still believes this isn’t a scripted soap opera at this point?
    C’mon, “Dem playbook?” Did the DNC, governor Hochel or the NY Dem establishment endorse this and come out for it? This is part of the problem. You’d be better off to follow the money and the egos. Time and effort should be spent on pressuring the governor and dem party apparatus to support the dem primary winner and kick all others to the curb. That said, you have to know billionaire white supremacist dirty money is fucking with things. It is not the “Dem playbook.”
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  • brianlux
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    static111 said:
    Split the progressive vote three ways and hand the governorship to,an unqualified conservative, seems like the current Dem playbook.  Who really still believes this isn’t a scripted soap opera at this point?

    A lot of that sounds right, but I don't know how much of it is scripted.  One factor is that republicans get caught up in group behavior that is fueled by limited and highly biased information sources, and thus they become more strongly united around a few things that piss them off such as LGBTQ issues, immigrants, other races, and any religion that isn't fundamentalist Christianity or Christian Nationalist.  
    Democrats, on the other hand, tend to be more broadly diverse in things they stand behind, and as individuals, tend to prioritize the issues that mean the most to them.  
    A group of people having diverse interests and concerns is actually a good thing when your talking about democracy.  But under authoritarian rule, diversity and critical thinking are considered dangerous and is discouraged. 

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