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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,044
    For those of you who haven’t watched Netflix’s The Hunt for Bid Laden, there is a scene where they interview a CIA analyst involved and she says, paraphrasing, “you have to ask yourself whether you can ‘kill’ your way out of it. Invariably the answer is no.”

    So, can Israel and now the US “kill their way out of it?”
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  • gotthebottle
    gotthebottle San Diego Posts: 3,738
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    For those of you who haven’t watched Netflix’s The Hunt for Bid Laden, there is a scene where they interview a CIA analyst involved and she says, paraphrasing, “you have to ask yourself whether you can ‘kill’ your way out of it. Invariably the answer is no.”

    So, can Israel and now the US “kill their way out of it?”
    No
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,044
    gotthebottle said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    For those of you who haven’t watched Netflix’s The Hunt for Bid Laden, there is a scene where they interview a CIA analyst involved and she says, paraphrasing, “you have to ask yourself whether you can ‘kill’ your way out of it. Invariably the answer is no.”

    So, can Israel and now the US “kill their way out of it?”
    No
    Exactly.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    darwinstheory said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Trump says US forces bombed Iran nuclear sites; says 'Fordow is gone' - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-launch-new-attacks-after-tehran-rules-out-nuclear-talks-2025-06-21/

    Another goddamned useless fucking war.  Excuse my language, but for god's sake, where does the insanity end?  Nuclearfucking holocaust?

    Nope. You ain't wrong, do not apologize Brian.
    Thanks, I guess I won't.  Everybody should be pissed!
    OnWis97 said:
    I vOtED FoR TrUmp to AvOid WoRld wAR IiI.
    The damn fools.
    gotthebottle said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Trump says US forces bombed Iran nuclear sites; says 'Fordow is gone' - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-launch-new-attacks-after-tehran-rules-out-nuclear-talks-2025-06-21/

    Another goddamned useless fucking war.  Excuse my language, but for god's sake, where does the insanity end?  Nuclearfucking holocaust?

    It's appropriate.. no more tip-toeing around it. He has unilaterally decided... violated Constitution AGAIN... we are fucked

    Yeah, it sure feels like we're fucked.  The question is, will congress intervene?  They've gone along with all the bullshit thus far, so I doubt it.   
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    In a matter of weeks, maybe days, the GOP has done a 180 on pro/anti war.
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  • gotthebottle
    gotthebottle San Diego Posts: 3,738
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Trump says US forces bombed Iran nuclear sites; says 'Fordow is gone' - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-launch-new-attacks-after-tehran-rules-out-nuclear-talks-2025-06-21/

    Another goddamned useless fucking war.  Excuse my language, but for god's sake, where does the insanity end?  Nuclearfucking holocaust?

    Nope. You ain't wrong, do not apologize Brian.
    Thanks, I guess I won't.  Everybody should be pissed!
    OnWis97 said:
    I vOtED FoR TrUmp to AvOid WoRld wAR IiI.
    The damn fools.
    gotthebottle said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Trump says US forces bombed Iran nuclear sites; says 'Fordow is gone' - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-launch-new-attacks-after-tehran-rules-out-nuclear-talks-2025-06-21/

    Another goddamned useless fucking war.  Excuse my language, but for god's sake, where does the insanity end?  Nuclearfucking holocaust?

    It's appropriate.. no more tip-toeing around it. He has unilaterally decided... violated Constitution AGAIN... we are fucked

    Yeah, it sure feels like we're fucked.  The question is, will congress intervene?  They've gone along with all the bullshit thus far, so I doubt it.   
    Why would we expect them to grow a pair now. 
  • seanwon
    seanwon Posts: 591
    The overreactions remind me of when Russia invaded Ukraine, and you all claimed we were entering WW3, and Russia would start a nuclear war.  Cool your jets and get a good night's sleep.  This won't go as you all fear.  It never does. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    gotthebottle said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Trump says US forces bombed Iran nuclear sites; says 'Fordow is gone' - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-launch-new-attacks-after-tehran-rules-out-nuclear-talks-2025-06-21/

    Another goddamned useless fucking war.  Excuse my language, but for god's sake, where does the insanity end?  Nuclearfucking holocaust?

    Nope. You ain't wrong, do not apologize Brian.
    Thanks, I guess I won't.  Everybody should be pissed!
    OnWis97 said:
    I vOtED FoR TrUmp to AvOid WoRld wAR IiI.
    The damn fools.
    gotthebottle said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Trump says US forces bombed Iran nuclear sites; says 'Fordow is gone' - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-launch-new-attacks-after-tehran-rules-out-nuclear-talks-2025-06-21/

    Another goddamned useless fucking war.  Excuse my language, but for god's sake, where does the insanity end?  Nuclearfucking holocaust?

    It's appropriate.. no more tip-toeing around it. He has unilaterally decided... violated Constitution AGAIN... we are fucked

    Yeah, it sure feels like we're fucked.  The question is, will congress intervene?  They've gone along with all the bullshit thus far, so I doubt it.   
    Why would we expect them to grow a pair now. 

    Your right, it ain't gonna happen.
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,662
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    For those of you who haven’t watched Netflix’s The Hunt for Bid Laden, there is a scene where they interview a CIA analyst involved and she says, paraphrasing, “you have to ask yourself whether you can ‘kill’ your way out of it. Invariably the answer is no.”

    So, can Israel and now the US “kill their way out of it?”

    That doc was surprisingly good. 
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,524
    So upside, young white men may now have a good job opportunity. 
  • mickeyrat
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    I wonder how old Vlad feels about things now
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  • tbergs
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    seanwon said:
    The overreactions remind me of when Russia invaded Ukraine, and you all claimed we were entering WW3, and Russia would start a nuclear war.  Cool your jets and get a good night's sleep.  This won't go as you all fear.  It never does. 
    Oh I don't know, something in the far reaches of my mind keep mumbling Iraq something something. That didn't go anywhere though, never does.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,939
    OnWis97 said:
    In a matter of weeks, maybe days, the GOP has done a 180 on pro/anti war.
    I heard repeatedly during the campaign last year that, when Trump was president, "there were no wars." This was hilariously false. Aside from the fact that there were several wars being fought around the world when Trump was president, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire length of Trump's first term.

    So they'll probably just claim this isn't a war.

    Once again, as they have done for Democratic and Republican presidents alike for the past eighty years, Congress has completely abdicated its responsibility to declare war.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited June 22
    tbergs said:
    seanwon said:
    The overreactions remind me of when Russia invaded Ukraine, and you all claimed we were entering WW3, and Russia would start a nuclear war.  Cool your jets and get a good night's sleep.  This won't go as you all fear.  It never does. 
    Oh I don't know, something in the far reaches of my mind keep mumbling Iraq something something. That didn't go anywhere though, never does.

    Nope, you're right, T, that little skirmish didn't go anywhere. 
     
    Oh, and seanwon, as you probably also already know, thousands of guys and their buddies weren't killed or maimed or suffered with PTSD or eventually took their lives as a result of what they went through over in Iraq.  Hell no, of course none of that stuff happened.  "It never does."

    Oh, except maybe my very close family member who died by suicide as a result of that mess.  He was buried yesterday.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    seanwon said:
    The overreactions remind me of when Russia invaded Ukraine, and you all claimed we were entering WW3, and Russia would start a nuclear war.  Cool your jets and get a good night's sleep.  This won't go as you all fear.  It never does. 
    You have faith in this? Catch JD Byryder’s, Little Marco Rube’s and Pig Seth’s facial expressions as COOTWH’s adderal induced blabber pours forth. You have faith in this? And if you haven’t, catch Bibi’s taint licking. Boy, to be played like that. So easy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Trump says US forces bombed Iran nuclear sites; says 'Fordow is gone' - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-launch-new-attacks-after-tehran-rules-out-nuclear-talks-2025-06-21/

    Another goddamned useless fucking war.  Excuse my language, but for god's sake, where does the insanity end?  Nuclearfucking holocaust?

    He wants the war to get a third term
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited June 22
    nvm
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,625
    Not sure where to put this
    https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-execs-just-joined-the-army-boot-camp-not-required-2025-6
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,456
    edited June 22
    Overhearing two different conversations at the hotel breakfast talking about what a shit country the US is while news of bombings being aired on the TV. 

    Have to let then know the boards ToS regarding critizing the US 😅

    Maybe the conversation will differ in Denmark
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