Middle East ......

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

Top intel @repjimhimes told Sam Stein that he found out about the Iran strikes on Twitter. He followed with this message to Trump: “You don’t get to ignore the constitution” 

Watch the full interview on thebulwark.com

dude is lawless. does anybody think trump is going to think twice about this rhetoric? he can't be impeached and can't be held accountable so he is going to do whatever he wants.

BF25394

Eraserhead said:

"I'll make a decision in two weeks"  two days later...

Well, if you're going to attack someone, it makes sense to lull them into a false sense of security. Before D-Day, we went to great lengths and expense to fool the Germans into thinking the attack would come at a different time in a different place.

BF25394

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

OnWis97 said:

In a matter of weeks, maybe days, the GOP has done a 180 on pro/anti war.

I heard repeatedly during the campaign last year that, when Trump was president, "there were no wars." This was hilariously false. Aside from the fact that there were several wars being fought around the world when Trump was president, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire length of Trump's first term.

So they'll probably just claim this isn't a war.

Once again, as they have done for Democratic and Republican presidents alike for the past eighty years, Congress has completely abdicated its responsibility to declare war.

As much as I wished staying uninvolved to be one campaign “promise” he kept, the potus does get 90 days without congress, and I doubt he keeps it up that long, unless Iran attacks American soil. In that case getting a vote would be plausible. Let’s hope it’s over by then.

for those getting angry at this, for good cause, this was all set in motion by Oct 7th, and enabled by Russia being tied up in Ukraine. And by trumps dumb decision to tear up the Iran nuclear treaty 

They haven't declared war since 1942, but we've had Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, Libya, Syria and now this. If Congress actually asserted itself, we would have had far fewer military adventures.

BF25394

gimmesometruth27 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

OnWis97 said:

In a matter of weeks, maybe days, the GOP has done a 180 on pro/anti war.

I heard repeatedly during the campaign last year that, when Trump was president, "there were no wars." This was hilariously false. Aside from the fact that there were several wars being fought around the world when Trump was president, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire length of Trump's first term.

So they'll probably just claim this isn't a war.

Once again, as they have done for Democratic and Republican presidents alike for the past eighty years, Congress has completely abdicated its responsibility to declare war.

As much as I wished staying uninvolved to be one campaign “promise” he kept, the potus does get 90 days without congress, and I doubt he keeps it up that long, unless Iran attacks American soil. In that case getting a vote would be plausible. Let’s hope it’s over by then.

for those getting angry at this, for good cause, this was all set in motion by Oct 7th, and enabled by Russia being tied up in Ukraine. And by trumps dumb decision to tear up the Iran nuclear treaty 

it was set in motion by israel's constant inability to solve its own problems. it can punch but when it gets punched back it runs to it's friends and gets them involved. we give them billions in weapons per year. that is enough. 

I think you have this backwards. It's Israel that is punching back, and the groups it punches back against after their constant incursions into Israel, lobbing missiles and ultimately with the heinous attack on October 7, are all Iranian proxies. Hamas and Hezbollah couldn't survive without their "friend" Iran.

BF25394

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

seanwon said:

The overreactions remind me of when Russia invaded Ukraine, and you all claimed we were entering WW3, and Russia would start a nuclear war.  Cool your jets and get a good night's sleep.  This won't go as you all fear.  It never does. 

Pathetic I remember a poster saying that Biden’s administration was bringing us close to WWIII! 

Here is a bit of trivia for you, who’s administration ended the nuclear deal in place that was brokered by the Obama administration if this was the Harris administration you’d be here screaming that the democrats want to start WWIII 

I dont know why we ever agreed to help them w their nuclear program in the first place?  That boggles my mind to this day.

We had a deal to allow them to enrich for peaceful use in exchange for an agreement not to pursue nuclear weapons. It was in our interest and in the interest of the world to make this tradeoff. Israel never trusted Iran to abide by the agreement, and between the Republicans' reflexive support of Israel and the fact that they could never admit that anything Obama did was worthwhile, it was inevitable that Trump  would abandon it, and he did.

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

seanwon said:

The overreactions remind me of when Russia invaded Ukraine, and you all claimed we were entering WW3, and Russia would start a nuclear war.  Cool your jets and get a good night's sleep.  This won't go as you all fear.  It never does. 

Pathetic I remember a poster saying that Biden’s administration was bringing us close to WWIII! 

Here is a bit of trivia for you, who’s administration ended the nuclear deal in place that was brokered by the Obama administration if this was the Harris administration you’d be here screaming that the democrats want to start WWIII 

I dont know why we ever agreed to help them w their nuclear program in the first place?  That boggles my mind to this day.

help them how? by putting limits on the enrichment percentage allowed? types and quantities of centrifuges?

We let them have the opportunity to have nuclear power in return for having watchdogs eyes on them.  Did you really think they would follow the rules?

Tim Simmons

they were. Almost daily surprise inspections across their facilities from the IAEA . They followed the terms even after Trump pulled out of the deal until US sanctions because more severe.  

mickeyrat

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

seanwon said:

The overreactions remind me of when Russia invaded Ukraine, and you all claimed we were entering WW3, and Russia would start a nuclear war.  Cool your jets and get a good night's sleep.  This won't go as you all fear.  It never does. 

Pathetic I remember a poster saying that Biden’s administration was bringing us close to WWIII! 

Here is a bit of trivia for you, who’s administration ended the nuclear deal in place that was brokered by the Obama administration if this was the Harris administration you’d be here screaming that the democrats want to start WWIII 

I dont know why we ever agreed to help them w their nuclear program in the first place?  That boggles my mind to this day.

help them how? by putting limits on the enrichment percentage allowed? types and quantities of centrifuges?

We let them have the opportunity to have nuclear power in return for having watchdogs eyes on them.  Did you really think they would follow the rules?

they already had that.  bibi had been claiming for TWENTY YEARS they were weeks away from having one. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/explainer-the-handful-of-facilities-at-the-core-of-irans-nuclear-program/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_facilities_in_Iran

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran

gimmesometruth27

BF25394 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

OnWis97 said:

In a matter of weeks, maybe days, the GOP has done a 180 on pro/anti war.

I heard repeatedly during the campaign last year that, when Trump was president, "there were no wars." This was hilariously false. Aside from the fact that there were several wars being fought around the world when Trump was president, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire length of Trump's first term.

So they'll probably just claim this isn't a war.

Once again, as they have done for Democratic and Republican presidents alike for the past eighty years, Congress has completely abdicated its responsibility to declare war.

As much as I wished staying uninvolved to be one campaign “promise” he kept, the potus does get 90 days without congress, and I doubt he keeps it up that long, unless Iran attacks American soil. In that case getting a vote would be plausible. Let’s hope it’s over by then.

for those getting angry at this, for good cause, this was all set in motion by Oct 7th, and enabled by Russia being tied up in Ukraine. And by trumps dumb decision to tear up the Iran nuclear treaty 

it was set in motion by israel's constant inability to solve its own problems. it can punch but when it gets punched back it runs to it's friends and gets them involved. we give them billions in weapons per year. that is enough. 

I think you have this backwards. It's Israel that is punching back, and the groups it punches back against after their constant incursions into Israel, lobbing missiles and ultimately with the heinous attack on October 7, are all Iranian proxies. Hamas and Hezbollah couldn't survive without their "friend" Iran.

i think i know exactly what i am talking about. you have it backwards. as stated a thousand times, 10/7 was a result of illegal settlements and the fact that israel is breaking international law by expanding them. israel is creating it's own problems, getting attacked, then striking with an extremely heavy hand, then reaching out to allies for money, weapons, and now boots on the ground military support and help with defense/offense. [comment removed by admin. Discuss politely please.]

brianlux

Great!  Now everybody will get to suffer.  This has to be another MAGA fans wet dream.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow

Israel-Iran war live: Trump floats regime change to ‘make Iran great again’; Iran parliament votes to shut Hormuz strait

Halifax2TheMax

gimmesometruth27 said:

BF25394 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

OnWis97 said:

In a matter of weeks, maybe days, the GOP has done a 180 on pro/anti war.

I heard repeatedly during the campaign last year that, when Trump was president, "there were no wars." This was hilariously false. Aside from the fact that there were several wars being fought around the world when Trump was president, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire length of Trump's first term.

So they'll probably just claim this isn't a war.

Once again, as they have done for Democratic and Republican presidents alike for the past eighty years, Congress has completely abdicated its responsibility to declare war.

As much as I wished staying uninvolved to be one campaign “promise” he kept, the potus does get 90 days without congress, and I doubt he keeps it up that long, unless Iran attacks American soil. In that case getting a vote would be plausible. Let’s hope it’s over by then.

for those getting angry at this, for good cause, this was all set in motion by Oct 7th, and enabled by Russia being tied up in Ukraine. And by trumps dumb decision to tear up the Iran nuclear treaty 

it was set in motion by israel's constant inability to solve its own problems. it can punch but when it gets punched back it runs to it's friends and gets them involved. we give them billions in weapons per year. that is enough. 

I think you have this backwards. It's Israel that is punching back, and the groups it punches back against after their constant incursions into Israel, lobbing missiles and ultimately with the heinous attack on October 7, are all Iranian proxies. Hamas and Hezbollah couldn't survive without their "friend" Iran.

i think i know exactly what i am talking about. you have it backwards. as stated a thousand times, 10/7 was a result of illegal settlements and the fact that israel is breaking international law by expanding them. israel is creating it's own problems, getting attacked, then striking with an extremely heavy hand, then reaching out to allies for money, weapons, and now boots on the ground military support and help with defense/offense. 

[comment removed by admin. Discuss politely please.]

Not to mention being actively complicit with supporting Hamas against the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank so as to ensure that there would never be a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Now it’s all about keeping Bibi out of prison.

Has anyone calculated the cost of the US attack on Iran? On top of the $4B+ the US sends to Israel? I mean because we shouldn’t pay for university research when they have endowments and we have $35T in debt. New fiscal year starts October 1st.

hunterh75

Hey folks just back from the Gulf of America. I miss anything other than a POTUS with a set of balls?? Proceed to melt down......

Halifax2TheMax

hunterh75 said:

Hey folks just back from the Gulf of America. I miss anything other than a POTUS with a set of balls?? Proceed to melt down......

So you’re not a citizen?

Tim Simmons

weirdos

cutz

hunterh75 said:

Hey folks just back from the Gulf of America. I miss anything other than a POTUS with a set of balls?? Proceed to melt down......

TDS

mrussel1

hunterh75 said:

Hey folks just back from the Gulf of America. I miss anything other than a POTUS with a set of balls?? Proceed to melt down......

Remember how ballzy the Iraq war was?  Think the families that suffered through tragedy are impressed with the Bush administration today? 

I know, you don’t think about that. That requires empathy and MAGA is too cool for that. 

Halifax2TheMax

So tough. So presidentially tough. So presidentially commander in chief tough. So presidentially commander in chief like no one has ever seen tough.

Tim Simmons

mrussel1 said:

hunterh75 said:

Hey folks just back from the Gulf of America. I miss anything other than a POTUS with a set of balls?? Proceed to melt down......

Remember how ballzy the Iraq war was?  Think the families that suffered through tragedy are impressed with the Bush administration today? 

I know, you don’t think about that. That requires empathy and MAGA is too cool for that. 

counterpoint: owning libz and not having to consider anything else because why expend any emotion or thought on something that doesn’t REALLY affect you? 

mickeyrat

Tim Simmons said:

mrussel1 said:

hunterh75 said:

Hey folks just back from the Gulf of America. I miss anything other than a POTUS with a set of balls?? Proceed to melt down......

Remember how ballzy the Iraq war was?  Think the families that suffered through tragedy are impressed with the Bush administration today? 

I know, you don’t think about that. That requires empathy and MAGA is too cool for that. 

counterpoint: owning libz and not having to consider anything else because why expend any emotion or thought on something that doesn’t REALLY affect you? 

counter to your counter. consider its both and more....

HughFreakingDillon

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