Middle East ......

BF25394

gimmesometruth27 said:

BF25394 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

OnWis97 said:

In a matter of weeks, maybe days, the GOP has done a 180 on pro/anti war.

I heard repeatedly during the campaign last year that, when Trump was president, "there were no wars." This was hilariously false. Aside from the fact that there were several wars being fought around the world when Trump was president, the United States was at war in Afghanistan for the entire length of Trump's first term.

So they'll probably just claim this isn't a war.

Once again, as they have done for Democratic and Republican presidents alike for the past eighty years, Congress has completely abdicated its responsibility to declare war.

As much as I wished staying uninvolved to be one campaign “promise” he kept, the potus does get 90 days without congress, and I doubt he keeps it up that long, unless Iran attacks American soil. In that case getting a vote would be plausible. Let’s hope it’s over by then.

for those getting angry at this, for good cause, this was all set in motion by Oct 7th, and enabled by Russia being tied up in Ukraine. And by trumps dumb decision to tear up the Iran nuclear treaty 

it was set in motion by israel's constant inability to solve its own problems. it can punch but when it gets punched back it runs to it's friends and gets them involved. we give them billions in weapons per year. that is enough. 

I think you have this backwards. It's Israel that is punching back, and the groups it punches back against after their constant incursions into Israel, lobbing missiles and ultimately with the heinous attack on October 7, are all Iranian proxies. Hamas and Hezbollah couldn't survive without their "friend" Iran.

i think i know exactly what i am talking about. you have it backwards. as stated a thousand times, 10/7 was a result of illegal settlements and the fact that israel is breaking international law by expanding them. israel is creating it's own problems, getting attacked, then striking with an extremely heavy hand, then reaching out to allies for money, weapons, and now boots on the ground military support and help with defense/offense. read a fucking book before you attack me.

I didn't attack you. I disagreed with you. "Read a fucking book"? Now that's an attack. Perhaps if you had read as many books as I have, you would not only know the history of the region and the conflict better, but you'd also know how to punctuate a sentence and which words require capitalization in English.

just_one

Iran wont do shit in the short tems against the US  but give it 5-10 years when all of this has settle and you can bet there will be another 9/11 in US grounds and this will be the justification

josevolution

hunterh75 said:

Hey folks just back from the Gulf of America. I miss anything other than a POTUS with a set of balls?? Proceed to melt down......

No one cares! 

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

seanwon said:

The overreactions remind me of when Russia invaded Ukraine, and you all claimed we were entering WW3, and Russia would start a nuclear war.  Cool your jets and get a good night's sleep.  This won't go as you all fear.  It never does. 

Pathetic I remember a poster saying that Biden’s administration was bringing us close to WWIII! 

Here is a bit of trivia for you, who’s administration ended the nuclear deal in place that was brokered by the Obama administration if this was the Harris administration you’d be here screaming that the democrats want to start WWIII 

I dont know why we ever agreed to help them w their nuclear program in the first place?  That boggles my mind to this day.

help them how? by putting limits on the enrichment percentage allowed? types and quantities of centrifuges?

We let them have the opportunity to have nuclear power in return for having watchdogs eyes on them.  Did you really think they would follow the rules?

they already had that.  bibi had been claiming for TWENTY YEARS they were weeks away from having one. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/explainer-the-handful-of-facilities-at-the-core-of-irans-nuclear-program/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_facilities_in_Iran

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran

Again, we made an agreement to watch over them.  I ask again, Did we really think they'd follow the rules?  Even that article you posted states there was no reason to have all that enriched uranium for normal purposes.

mickeyrat

IAEA chief expects 'very significant damage' at Iran's Fordow site - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/iaea-chief-expects-very-significant-damage-irans-fordow-site-2025-06-23/

tempo_n_groove

just_one said:

Iran wont do shit in the short tems against the US  but give it 5-10 years when all of this has settle and you can bet there will be another 9/11 in US grounds and this will be the justification

If they do have a regime change then we won't have to worry about that.

mickeyrat

think its important to revisit the jcpoa.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-iran-nuclear-deal

Halifax2TheMax

just_one said:

Iran wont do shit in the short tems against the US  but give it 5-10 years when all of this has settle and you can bet there will be another 9/11 in US grounds and this will be the justification

Depends on your definition of “shit.”

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

just_one said:

Iran wont do shit in the short tems against the US  but give it 5-10 years when all of this has settle and you can bet there will be another 9/11 in US grounds and this will be the justification

If they do have a regime change then we won't have to worry about that.

While I hope for a regime change, that won't mean this won't lead to another 9/11. Remember, 9/11 wasn't committed by a national government. What is happening right now is pretty likely to grow more terrorist networks down the road, just like attacking Iraq did. That is literally the whole problem with what's happening right now, and why regime changes should happen from within, and not because the US wants it. 

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

think its important to revisit the jcpoa.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-iran-nuclear-deal

Reading that deal it was crap.  After 10 years they could do whatever they wanted.  When we pulled out they ramped up everything and wouldn't let the watchdogs in anywhere.

If we do a new deal it has to not have a time expiration.

Tim Simmons

Thats assuming after 10 years neither side would want to strike a new deal with new terms. 

Why would either side enter a deal with forever terms? 

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

seanwon said:

The overreactions remind me of when Russia invaded Ukraine, and you all claimed we were entering WW3, and Russia would start a nuclear war.  Cool your jets and get a good night's sleep.  This won't go as you all fear.  It never does. 

Pathetic I remember a poster saying that Biden’s administration was bringing us close to WWIII! 

Here is a bit of trivia for you, who’s administration ended the nuclear deal in place that was brokered by the Obama administration if this was the Harris administration you’d be here screaming that the democrats want to start WWIII 

I dont know why we ever agreed to help them w their nuclear program in the first place?  That boggles my mind to this day.

help them how? by putting limits on the enrichment percentage allowed? types and quantities of centrifuges?

We let them have the opportunity to have nuclear power in return for having watchdogs eyes on them.  Did you really think they would follow the rules?

they already had that.  bibi had been claiming for TWENTY YEARS they were weeks away from having one. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/explainer-the-handful-of-facilities-at-the-core-of-irans-nuclear-program/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_facilities_in_Iran

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran

Again, we made an agreement to watch over them.  I ask again, Did we really think they'd follow the rules?  Even that article you posted states there was no reason to have all that enriched uranium for normal purposes.

We exited the JCPOA in Trump's first term.  Or are you speaking of some other "watch"?

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

think its important to revisit the jcpoa.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-iran-nuclear-deal

Reading that deal it was crap.  After 10 years they could do whatever they wanted.  When we pulled out they ramped up everything and wouldn't let the watchdogs in anywhere.

If we do a new deal it has to not have a time expiration.

No, after 10 years you re-negotiate.  In what world do geopolitical deals have evergreen clauses?  

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

just_one said:

Iran wont do shit in the short tems against the US  but give it 5-10 years when all of this has settle and you can bet there will be another 9/11 in US grounds and this will be the justification

If they do have a regime change then we won't have to worry about that.

While I hope for a regime change, that won't mean this won't lead to another 9/11. Remember, 9/11 wasn't committed by a national government. What is happening right now is pretty likely to grow more terrorist networks down the road, just like attacking Iraq did. That is literally the whole problem with what's happening right now, and why regime changes should happen from within, and not because the US wants it. 

The US has no understanding of what the people of Iran, particularly the youth, want.  We don't know regime change will lead to a more radical gov't, a more western-oriented gov't (ideally) or a complete power vacuum like Afghanistan.  All we are doing is rolling dice here.  

static111

Have people completely forgot about WMDs and Mission Accomplished and you're either with us or you're with the terrorists etc?  I get that some people don't want to read history books, but come on this shit happened 20 years ago and created a disaster. Usually history takes much longer to repeat.

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

think its important to revisit the jcpoa.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-iran-nuclear-deal

Reading that deal it was crap.  After 10 years they could do whatever they wanted.  When we pulled out they ramped up everything and wouldn't let the watchdogs in anywhere.

If we do a new deal it has to not have a time expiration.

No, after 10 years you re-negotiate.  In what world do geopolitical deals have evergreen clauses?  

Japan, Germany both off the top of my head.

josevolution

static111 said:

Have people completely forgot about WMDs and Mission Accomplished and you're either with us or you're with the terrorists etc?  I get that some people don't want to read history books, but come on this shit happened 20 years ago and created a disaster. Usually history takes much longer to repeat.

As the Republicans would say about 1/6th it’s time to move on 20 years that’s ancient history as far as they are concerned 😦 

tempo_n_groove

static111 said:

Have people completely forgot about WMDs and Mission Accomplished and you're either with us or you're with the terrorists etc?  I get that some people don't want to read history books, but come on this shit happened 20 years ago and created a disaster. Usually history takes much longer to repeat.

Difference is we do know what they are doing.

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

just_one said:

Iran wont do shit in the short tems against the US  but give it 5-10 years when all of this has settle and you can bet there will be another 9/11 in US grounds and this will be the justification

If they do have a regime change then we won't have to worry about that.

While I hope for a regime change, that won't mean this won't lead to another 9/11. Remember, 9/11 wasn't committed by a national government. What is happening right now is pretty likely to grow more terrorist networks down the road, just like attacking Iraq did. That is literally the whole problem with what's happening right now, and why regime changes should happen from within, and not because the US wants it. 

The US has no understanding of what the people of Iran, particularly the youth, want.  We don't know regime change will lead to a more radical gov't, a more western-oriented gov't (ideally) or a complete power vacuum like Afghanistan.  All we are doing is rolling dice here.  

 Iran had a big protest not too long ago about who is in power now.  I thought that was pretty telling. 

Gern Blansten

just_one said:

Iran wont do shit in the short tems against the US  but give it 5-10 years when all of this has settle and you can bet there will be another 9/11 in US grounds and this will be the justification

I said this exact thing to my kids yesterday. trump and co were already in their targets from the assassination of Soleimani....this just gets added to the list.