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Tim Simmons · June 7

Gern Blansten · June 7

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example.

Like, how do you combat that?

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men
“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles.

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right? Trump fucks something up every single day. We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago. How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here? That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released. Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out. See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty. But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities. I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

He was indicted based on the testimony of someone in jail in Alabama or something. He hasn’t been convicted of anything. The tragedy isn’t that he is or isn’t deported, it’s that he was jailed in a third world country without due process which he is entitled to under US immigration law. And subsequently the DOJ refused to honor the SCOTUS order until today, after he is indicted. Get a clue. Your red hat is eating your brain cells. It makes you stupid.

And this investigation into the charges just started a month ago... Pretty obvious why

Garcia has grounds for a civil rights suit doesn't he?

Gern Blansten · June 7

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example.

Like, how do you combat that?

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men
“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles.

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right? Trump fucks something up every single day. We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago. How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here? That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released. Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out. See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty. But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities. I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

Advocating for due process is extreme?

What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

The majority of the country decided advocating for foreigners here improperly is extreme.

and you have no idea how long DOJ was working on this indictment with a grand jury.. They could have gone to Roberts a month ago to tell the court they had evidence of significant crimes and were working with a grand jury. Since it ended May 21, Probably over a month.

its only your extremism that assumes all of the unknowns somehow support what you want to be true. That fact above proves how you think about this case is false. We did not have a significant fact available to us for about half of the time he was held in prison.

I hope you're properly warmed up before doing these mental gymnastic routines.

Lerxst1992 · June 7

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example.

Like, how do you combat that?

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men
“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles.

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right? Trump fucks something up every single day. We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago. How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here? That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released. Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out. See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty. But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities. I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

Advocating for due process is extreme?

What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

The majority of the country decided advocating for foreigners here improperly is extreme.

and you have no idea how long DOJ was working on this indictment with a grand jury.. They could have gone to Roberts a month ago to tell the court they had evidence of significant crimes and were working with a grand jury. Since it ended May 21, Probably over a month.

its only your extremism that assumes all of the unknowns somehow support what you want to be true. That fact above proves how you think about this case is false. We did not have a significant fact available to us for about half of the time he was held in prison.

Got it. You think advocating for constitutionally protected rights is extremism.

You have more worms in your brain than RFKJR.

They’ve been facilitating Garcia‘s return for well over a month. Obviously that fact was not known to the public.I’m not sure what the hell is going on in this forum

It took 24 hours to deport him but a month to facilitate his return. Sure.

Grand jury concluded May 21. Get a grip on reality dude

mrussel1 · June 7

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example.

Like, how do you combat that?

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men
“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles.

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right? Trump fucks something up every single day. We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago. How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here? That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released. Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out. See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty. But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities. I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

Advocating for due process is extreme?

What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

The majority of the country decided advocating for foreigners here improperly is extreme.

and you have no idea how long DOJ was working on this indictment with a grand jury.. They could have gone to Roberts a month ago to tell the court they had evidence of significant crimes and were working with a grand jury. Since it ended May 21, Probably over a month.

its only your extremism that assumes all of the unknowns somehow support what you want to be true. That fact above proves how you think about this case is false. We did not have a significant fact available to us for about half of the time he was held in prison.

Got it. You think advocating for constitutionally protected rights is extremism.

You have more worms in your brain than RFKJR.

They’ve been facilitating Garcia‘s return for well over a month. Obviously that fact was not known to the public.I’m not sure what the hell is going on in this forum

It took 24 hours to deport him but a month to facilitate his return. Sure.

Grand jury concluded May 21. Get a grip on reality dude

The indictment is NOT what should have triggered his return. The SCOTUS ordered him returned to the US on April 10th. Are you really defending the ignoring the court order? This is why everyone here believes you are full MAGA. Your arguments are no longer tethered to reality, the most obvious sign.

HughFreakingDillon · June 7

Tim Simmons said:

Haha spot on

shecky · June 7

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5021252/uploads/editor/cq/3j18hk7aks1a.jpg

Correction, AOC: Kilmar is all of Dems, only. No one else.

mickeyrat · June 7

shecky said:

Correction, AOC: Kilmar is all of Dems, only. No one else.

seems to be joe rogan and his ilk too.

its all about due process of which there had been none.

if you arent all about due process then why are you still here? it IS a founding principle of this nation.

shecky · June 7

mickeyrat said:

shecky said:

Correction, AOC: Kilmar is all of Dems, only. No one else.

seems to be joe rogan and his ilk too.

its all about due process of which there had been none.

if you arent all about due process then why are you still here? it IS a founding principle of this nation.

As usual, you miss the point of the post. Kilmar is back in the U.S., yet AOC's post is still up. And, most importantly, Kilmar is NOT all of us!
We all are not illegal immigrant smugglers, and worse.

mrussel1 · June 7

shecky said:

mickeyrat said:

shecky said:

Correction, AOC: Kilmar is all of Dems, only. No one else.

seems to be joe rogan and his ilk too.

its all about due process of which there had been none.

if you arent all about due process then why are you still here? it IS a founding principle of this nation.

As usual, you miss the point of the post. Kilmar is back in the U.S., yet AOC's post is still up. And, most importantly, Kilmar is NOT all of us!
We all are not illegal immigrant smugglers, and worse.

Exactly why would she delete the post? It's still true. He was ordered immediately returned by the Supreme Court, because he was deprived due process rights under US immigration law. That was on 4/10. And yet somehow, after they indict him, he is expeditiously returned. It's not about Garcia directly, it's about violation of rights, laws and the separation of powers. Please try to think more deeply about this.

Tim Simmons · June 7

Also, they’re just tweets. Not policy. Relax.

josevolution · June 7

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

static111 said:

My bad it was the GOP thread. So I’m psychic but have poor recall

Forward thinking is where it’s at anyway

You mean we don’t want to go to an imagined past where it was all great all the time!?

😂😂

DE4173 · June 8

Welp

Tim Simmons · June 8

blow it up

DE4173 · June 8

Oh no

shecky · June 10

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsoms-political-future-practically-nonexistent-la-devolves-riots-social-media-critics-predict

"Greasy Gavin" is history. He thinks he's going to be president? Ha ha ha!

Halifax2TheMax · June 10

shecky said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsoms-political-future-practically-nonexistent-la-devolves-riots-social-media-critics-predict

"Greasy Gavin" is history. He thinks he's going to be president? Ha ha ha!

The whole point of why what is happening is happening. It’s unfortunate that you think violating constitutional rights is a means to scoring political points, eh? It’s Benghazi all over again. And before that “birtherism”. And before that “Swift Boating”. And before that “Slick Willie”. And before that “Willy Horton”. And before that “Morning in ‘Murica”. And before that “Attack rabbits and lust in my heart”.

Who are these “social media critics?” Oli London?

Good luck with JD Byryder.

mrussel1 · June 10

shecky said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsoms-political-future-practically-nonexistent-la-devolves-riots-social-media-critics-predict

"Greasy Gavin" is history. He thinks he's going to be president? Ha ha ha!

BAM! Fox Opinion piece! Newsome might as well resign. Once you lose Fox opinion writers, you’ve lost 98% of real Americans. Democrats aren’t real Americans.

Tim Simmons · June 10

I mean, I don’t want him. But I made up my mind about that 5 years ago.

That being said the last few days aren’t moving any needle that could have been moved.

Tim Simmons · June 10

Though this is good.

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