I’ve got a lot of varying thoughts on this on both sides. I apologize if this is a bit all over the place. First I’ll say that I only went to the Pitt shows so can only comment on those. From what I could tell those in the front couple of rows brought plenty of energy each show. On night 1 on Mikes side they were dancing and having a good time all the way from Teen Jesus through PJ. They would let kids get up front for fist bumps, picks etc. generally a positive vibe.
I had GA on night 1 and didn’t get in line until doors opened. There were more people on Mikes side but most of them were sitting down on the floor at that point and I estimated that once they stood, that space would condense and we would end up being a lot closer. We had been sitting there for 45 min or so when at least 4-5 people who I had not seen yet began to trickle in and made their way up front, saying things like “I’m just getting back to where I was.” Now I have no way of knowing if they had been there before but I hadn’t seen them in the 45 min or so that I had been sitting there and to me that’s too long of a time to be gone in that situation. They were likely holding spots for people which isn’t cool but I have no way to prove it and who am I to argue when it’s just me against a group of people.
Even with those few extra people, that section still did condense when everyone stood as I expected and I was essentially 5 rows deep between Mike and Ed and was roughly in the same position as someone who said they got in line at 1pm. I couldn’t have been a much better spot so standing in line for an extra 5 hours would have provided zero benefit. The show was amazing, I ended up grabbing 3 picks from Mike and then had my PJ moment at the very end. I had been chasing Indifference for 15 years and they finally played it. Towards the end of the song Ed was right in front of us. I had a sign showing my quest for Indiff, Ed saw it and tossed me his tambourine.
To me there isn’t really a way to top that. I had my moment and if I had GA for night 2, I would have traded out for seats. Let someone else have their moment. So to me it is a bit much to try to be on the rail for every single show. I feel like one time on the rail per tour should be enough and to go for it every single show seems to be a little greedy. I also don’t know how you do it physically. My legs and back were dead after that and I’m in pretty decent shape. I needed a full day to recover, sleep in my own bed etc…, I couldn’t imagine getting straight back in line and camping out for 2 nights.
And on that front things seems to be escalating out of control. Before I felt like people would get in line at like 8am to get the rail. Now people are camping out for 2 days, leaving early on N1 to get back in line etc... It’s too much, and potentially dangerous. There was bad storm that ripped through on my way home that night to where I had to pull off the road. 70mph winds, hail (hail!). Tornado threat. If that was just a little further north it would have went through where people were camping out. People shouldn’t be sleeping in the streets and it’s only a matter of time before some kind of disaster happens. Sometimes you need to put things in place to protect people from themselves.
The last thing I want to mention is some of the comments around how people are able to end up with GA for every show and that they just work harder to get tickets. I feel like this is similar to telling someone who works 2 jobs but still under the poverty line that they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they dont even have boots. People may have worked just as hard as me to get tickets but I don’t know if anyone worked harder. I don’t have a network of PJ friends to work with and I got shut out in the lottery. I looked all day every day for 5 months and it was 4 months before I even got my first tickets in the nosebleeds. Only by chance did I catch a FB post at the exact second it was released for a pair of floor 1 row C tickets for N2 which I was able to convince him to try a link drop with me. I then was on at the right time when someone wanted to trade N1 GAs and agreed to trade for my N2 Floor 1 tickets and he agreed to share his login. The only way I was able to get one pair of GA tickets was to be in the right place at the right time twice and that required endless hours of scanning the forums, FB, etc day in day out.
The current ticket system has some inequalities built into it. If you have a low 10c number there is no penalty for requesting tickets to every show. No one knows what the demand is going to look like for 2 nights in Raleigh but if you have a low 10c number it won’t matter if you don’t get GA you still know that you will get great tickets that can then be leveraged to trade for other great seats at the shows you want to go to or will be easily sold through F2F. If you have a high 10c number and don’t get GA then you might get stuck with tickets that won’t sell if the demand for that show is lower so you likely can’t just put in for every show. Low 10c numbers might not even plan to go to any show but still put in for tickets as you will have great value to trade. People remember who helped them get good tickets, and then can return the favor for later shows. Over time this starts to form different groups of classes of 10c members. Some who always have great tickets to trade so it’s a lot easier to trade up for GA and some who start with nothing and have to fight just to get in the door. I thinks it’s worth trying to find a way to level that out a bit.
I’ve got a lot of varying thoughts on this on both sides. I apologize if this is a bit all over the place. First I’ll say that I only went to the Pitt shows so can only comment on those. From what I could tell those in the front couple of rows brought plenty of energy each show. On night 1 on Mikes side they were dancing and having a good time all the way from Teen Jesus through PJ. They would let kids get up front for fist bumps, picks etc. generally a positive vibe.
I had GA on night 1 and didn’t get in line until doors opened. There were more people on Mikes side but most of them were sitting down on the floor at that point and I estimated that once they stood, that space would condense and we would end up being a lot closer. We had been sitting there for 45 min or so when at least 4-5 people who I had not seen yet began to trickle in and made their way up front, saying things like “I’m just getting back to where I was.” Now I have no way of knowing if they had been there before but I hadn’t seen them in the 45 min or so that I had been sitting there and to me that’s too long of a time to be gone in that situation. They were likely holding spots for people which isn’t cool but I have no way to prove it and who am I to argue when it’s just me against a group of people.
Even with those few extra people, that section still did condense when everyone stood as I expected and I was essentially 5 rows deep between Mike and Ed and was roughly in the same position as someone who said they got in line at 1pm. I couldn’t have been a much better spot so standing in line for an extra 5 hours would have provided zero benefit. The show was amazing, I ended up grabbing 3 picks from Mike and then had my PJ moment at the very end. I had been chasing Indifference for 15 years and they finally played it. Towards the end of the song Ed was right in front of us. I had a sign showing my quest for Indiff, Ed saw it and tossed me his tambourine.
To me there isn’t really a way to top that. I had my moment and if I had GA for night 2, I would have traded out for seats. Let someone else have their moment. So to me it is a bit much to try to be on the rail for every single show. I feel like one time on the rail per tour should be enough and to go for it every single show seems to be a little greedy. I also don’t know how you do it physically. My legs and back were dead after that and I’m in pretty decent shape. I needed a full day to recover, sleep in my own bed etc…, I couldn’t imagine getting straight back in line and camping out for 2 nights.
And on that front things seems to be escalating out of control. Before I felt like people would get in line at like 8am to get the rail. Now people are camping out for 2 days, leaving early on N1 to get back in line etc... It’s too much, and potentially dangerous. There was bad storm that ripped through on my way home that night to where I had to pull off the road. 70mph winds, hail (hail!). Tornado threat. If that was just a little further north it would have went through where people were camping out. People shouldn’t be sleeping in the streets and it’s only a matter of time before some kind of disaster happens. Sometimes you need to put things in place to protect people from themselves.
The last thing I want to mention is some of the comments around how people are able to end up with GA for every show and that they just work harder to get tickets. I feel like this is similar to telling someone who works 2 jobs but still under the poverty line that they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they dont even have boots. People may have worked just as hard as me to get tickets but I don’t know if anyone worked harder. I don’t have a network of PJ friends to work with and I got shut out in the lottery. I looked all day every day for 5 months and it was 4 months before I even got my first tickets in the nosebleeds. Only by chance did I catch a FB post at the exact second it was released for a pair of floor 1 row C tickets for N2 which I was able to convince him to try a link drop with me. I then was on at the right time when someone wanted to trade N1 GAs and agreed to trade for my N2 Floor 1 tickets and he agreed to share his login. The only way I was able to get one pair of GA tickets was to be in the right place at the right time twice and that required endless hours of scanning the forums, FB, etc day in day out.
The current ticket system has some inequalities built into it. If you have a low 10c number there is no penalty for requesting tickets to every show. No one knows what the demand is going to look like for 2 nights in Raleigh but if you have a low 10c number it won’t matter if you don’t get GA you still know that you will get great tickets that can then be leveraged to trade for other great seats at the shows you want to go to or will be easily sold through F2F. If you have a high 10c number and don’t get GA then you might get stuck with tickets that won’t sell if the demand for that show is lower so you likely can’t just put in for every show. Low 10c numbers might not even plan to go to any show but still put in for tickets as you will have great value to trade. People remember who helped them get good tickets, and then can return the favor for later shows. Over time this starts to form different groups of classes of 10c members. Some who always have great tickets to trade so it’s a lot easier to trade up for GA and some who start with nothing and have to fight just to get in the door. I thinks it’s worth trying to find a way to level that out a bit.
Very nice write up. I share your thoughts especially when you used the guy working 2 jobs analogy. Come on buddy just work harder, hah.
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I’ve got a lot of varying thoughts on this on both sides. I apologize if this is a bit all over the place. First I’ll say that I only went to the Pitt shows so can only comment on those. From what I could tell those in the front couple of rows brought plenty of energy each show. On night 1 on Mikes side they were dancing and having a good time all the way from Teen Jesus through PJ. They would let kids get up front for fist bumps, picks etc. generally a positive vibe.
I had GA on night 1 and didn’t get in line until doors opened. There were more people on Mikes side but most of them were sitting down on the floor at that point and I estimated that once they stood, that space would condense and we would end up being a lot closer. We had been sitting there for 45 min or so when at least 4-5 people who I had not seen yet began to trickle in and made their way up front, saying things like “I’m just getting back to where I was.” Now I have no way of knowing if they had been there before but I hadn’t seen them in the 45 min or so that I had been sitting there and to me that’s too long of a time to be gone in that situation. They were likely holding spots for people which isn’t cool but I have no way to prove it and who am I to argue when it’s just me against a group of people.
Even with those few extra people, that section still did condense when everyone stood as I expected and I was essentially 5 rows deep between Mike and Ed and was roughly in the same position as someone who said they got in line at 1pm. I couldn’t have been a much better spot so standing in line for an extra 5 hours would have provided zero benefit. The show was amazing, I ended up grabbing 3 picks from Mike and then had my PJ moment at the very end. I had been chasing Indifference for 15 years and they finally played it. Towards the end of the song Ed was right in front of us. I had a sign showing my quest for Indiff, Ed saw it and tossed me his tambourine.
To me there isn’t really a way to top that. I had my moment and if I had GA for night 2, I would have traded out for seats. Let someone else have their moment. So to me it is a bit much to try to be on the rail for every single show. I feel like one time on the rail per tour should be enough and to go for it every single show seems to be a little greedy. I also don’t know how you do it physically. My legs and back were dead after that and I’m in pretty decent shape. I needed a full day to recover, sleep in my own bed etc…, I couldn’t imagine getting straight back in line and camping out for 2 nights.
And on that front things seems to be escalating out of control. Before I felt like people would get in line at like 8am to get the rail. Now people are camping out for 2 days, leaving early on N1 to get back in line etc... It’s too much, and potentially dangerous. There was bad storm that ripped through on my way home that night to where I had to pull off the road. 70mph winds, hail (hail!). Tornado threat. If that was just a little further north it would have went through where people were camping out. People shouldn’t be sleeping in the streets and it’s only a matter of time before some kind of disaster happens. Sometimes you need to put things in place to protect people from themselves.
The last thing I want to mention is some of the comments around how people are able to end up with GA for every show and that they just work harder to get tickets. I feel like this is similar to telling someone who works 2 jobs but still under the poverty line that they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they dont even have boots. People may have worked just as hard as me to get tickets but I don’t know if anyone worked harder. I don’t have a network of PJ friends to work with and I got shut out in the lottery. I looked all day every day for 5 months and it was 4 months before I even got my first tickets in the nosebleeds. Only by chance did I catch a FB post at the exact second it was released for a pair of floor 1 row C tickets for N2 which I was able to convince him to try a link drop with me. I then was on at the right time when someone wanted to trade N1 GAs and agreed to trade for my N2 Floor 1 tickets and he agreed to share his login. The only way I was able to get one pair of GA tickets was to be in the right place at the right time twice and that required endless hours of scanning the forums, FB, etc day in day out.
The current ticket system has some inequalities built into it. If you have a low 10c number there is no penalty for requesting tickets to every show. No one knows what the demand is going to look like for 2 nights in Raleigh but if you have a low 10c number it won’t matter if you don’t get GA you still know that you will get great tickets that can then be leveraged to trade for other great seats at the shows you want to go to or will be easily sold through F2F. If you have a high 10c number and don’t get GA then you might get stuck with tickets that won’t sell if the demand for that show is lower so you likely can’t just put in for every show. Low 10c numbers might not even plan to go to any show but still put in for tickets as you will have great value to trade. People remember who helped them get good tickets, and then can return the favor for later shows. Over time this starts to form different groups of classes of 10c members. Some who always have great tickets to trade so it’s a lot easier to trade up for GA and some who start with nothing and have to fight just to get in the door. I thinks it’s worth trying to find a way to level that out a bit.
Very nice write up. I share your thoughts especially when you used the guy working 2 jobs analogy. Come on buddy just work harder, hah.
i've seen them 52 times. never had rail. never wanted rail because i hate standing in line. i'd rather hang out at a bar with my friends and walk in 10 minutes before showtime. my life doesn't revolve around the band and my time is too valuable for me to waste it standing in a ga line. i guarantee i have had just as much fun as the people down front, and that's ok.
people have their thing. some like the rail, some don't. its all good.
Exactly, +1. Never 'Camped out', and never wil. I personally dont like the sound so much in the first 3 rows, been there several times. For me the sound is a big difference there and 10 rows back (wich i prefere). At the end its everyones own choice, its all good.
Dead and Company tickets are getting ready go on sale next week. People will be paying $6,346. for VIP tickets but will have random lottery for 1st entry.
Dead and Company tickets are getting ready go on sale next week. People will be paying $6,346. for VIP tickets but will have random lottery for 1st entry.
I’ve got a lot of varying thoughts on this on both sides. I apologize if this is a bit all over the place. First I’ll say that I only went to the Pitt shows so can only comment on those. From what I could tell those in the front couple of rows brought plenty of energy each show. On night 1 on Mikes side they were dancing and having a good time all the way from Teen Jesus through PJ. They would let kids get up front for fist bumps, picks etc. generally a positive vibe.
I had GA on night 1 and didn’t get in line until doors opened. There were more people on Mikes side but most of them were sitting down on the floor at that point and I estimated that once they stood, that space would condense and we would end up being a lot closer. We had been sitting there for 45 min or so when at least 4-5 people who I had not seen yet began to trickle in and made their way up front, saying things like “I’m just getting back to where I was.” Now I have no way of knowing if they had been there before but I hadn’t seen them in the 45 min or so that I had been sitting there and to me that’s too long of a time to be gone in that situation. They were likely holding spots for people which isn’t cool but I have no way to prove it and who am I to argue when it’s just me against a group of people.
Even with those few extra people, that section still did condense when everyone stood as I expected and I was essentially 5 rows deep between Mike and Ed and was roughly in the same position as someone who said they got in line at 1pm. I couldn’t have been a much better spot so standing in line for an extra 5 hours would have provided zero benefit. The show was amazing, I ended up grabbing 3 picks from Mike and then had my PJ moment at the very end. I had been chasing Indifference for 15 years and they finally played it. Towards the end of the song Ed was right in front of us. I had a sign showing my quest for Indiff, Ed saw it and tossed me his tambourine.
To me there isn’t really a way to top that. I had my moment and if I had GA for night 2, I would have traded out for seats. Let someone else have their moment. So to me it is a bit much to try to be on the rail for every single show. I feel like one time on the rail per tour should be enough and to go for it every single show seems to be a little greedy. I also don’t know how you do it physically. My legs and back were dead after that and I’m in pretty decent shape. I needed a full day to recover, sleep in my own bed etc…, I couldn’t imagine getting straight back in line and camping out for 2 nights.
And on that front things seems to be escalating out of control. Before I felt like people would get in line at like 8am to get the rail. Now people are camping out for 2 days, leaving early on N1 to get back in line etc... It’s too much, and potentially dangerous. There was bad storm that ripped through on my way home that night to where I had to pull off the road. 70mph winds, hail (hail!). Tornado threat. If that was just a little further north it would have went through where people were camping out. People shouldn’t be sleeping in the streets and it’s only a matter of time before some kind of disaster happens. Sometimes you need to put things in place to protect people from themselves.
The last thing I want to mention is some of the comments around how people are able to end up with GA for every show and that they just work harder to get tickets. I feel like this is similar to telling someone who works 2 jobs but still under the poverty line that they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they dont even have boots. People may have worked just as hard as me to get tickets but I don’t know if anyone worked harder. I don’t have a network of PJ friends to work with and I got shut out in the lottery. I looked all day every day for 5 months and it was 4 months before I even got my first tickets in the nosebleeds. Only by chance did I catch a FB post at the exact second it was released for a pair of floor 1 row C tickets for N2 which I was able to convince him to try a link drop with me. I then was on at the right time when someone wanted to trade N1 GAs and agreed to trade for my N2 Floor 1 tickets and he agreed to share his login. The only way I was able to get one pair of GA tickets was to be in the right place at the right time twice and that required endless hours of scanning the forums, FB, etc day in day out.
The current ticket system has some inequalities built into it. If you have a low 10c number there is no penalty for requesting tickets to every show. No one knows what the demand is going to look like for 2 nights in Raleigh but if you have a low 10c number it won’t matter if you don’t get GA you still know that you will get great tickets that can then be leveraged to trade for other great seats at the shows you want to go to or will be easily sold through F2F. If you have a high 10c number and don’t get GA then you might get stuck with tickets that won’t sell if the demand for that show is lower so you likely can’t just put in for every show. Low 10c numbers might not even plan to go to any show but still put in for tickets as you will have great value to trade. People remember who helped them get good tickets, and then can return the favor for later shows. Over time this starts to form different groups of classes of 10c members. Some who always have great tickets to trade so it’s a lot easier to trade up for GA and some who start with nothing and have to fight just to get in the door. I thinks it’s worth trying to find a way to level that out a bit.
Regarding the tickets, I didn't mean to come off as flippant "just work harder" when I responded a couple pages back but I was perhaps overly snarky in my response because I was specifically responding to allegations that I'm gaming the system somehow because that was definitely the undertone of what those comments were getting at. In all honestly getting ANY tickets more than a couple days ahead of time was agony for this tour and I made my frustrations very known in the fan to fan threads and how I emailed screenshots of scalped tickets to the ten club what felt like every other day. It might be surprising but I want the system changed and I offered plenty of thoughts on the matter ranging from will call to simply putting pressure on Ticketmaster to fix the hack that allows barcodes to be shared which in my opinion is what single-handedly ruined fan to fan.
That said... acquiring tickets IS a lot of work. I was basically nonstop checking Facebook in the months leading up to the shows and was able to secure about half of my tickets before I actually left for Florida. Zero of my trades were among people I knew going into it but 100% due to just having a presence on this forum, Reddit, or Facebook and being the first to respond. Honestly I barely traded with people I know personally because we all need the same tickets. It really was a numbers game and obsessively checking social media similar to how I used to obsessively refresh fan to fan in '22 and '23. I honestly got pretty burned out by it all and instead of my usual I'm-too-excited-to-even-eat feeling before previous tours this time I was stressed and frustrated. Especially because I felt like the deck was stacked against people who didn't know every single nuance of fan to fan and took it upon myself to feel responsible for getting my friends tickets too.
i've seen them 52 times. never had rail. never wanted rail because i hate standing in line. i'd rather hang out at a bar with my friends and walk in 10 minutes before showtime. my life doesn't revolve around the band and my time is too valuable for me to waste it standing in a ga line. i guarantee i have had just as much fun as the people down front, and that's ok.
people have their thing. some like the rail, some don't. its all good.
I went to 8 shows during the DM tour. Didn't see one opening act... oops lol
Glen Hansard is really good.
I agree. I've seen him several times but I just like to enjoy my day as much as possible before PJ goes on stage.
I’ve got a lot of varying thoughts on this on both sides. I apologize if this is a bit all over the place. First I’ll say that I only went to the Pitt shows so can only comment on those. From what I could tell those in the front couple of rows brought plenty of energy each show. On night 1 on Mikes side they were dancing and having a good time all the way from Teen Jesus through PJ. They would let kids get up front for fist bumps, picks etc. generally a positive vibe.
I had GA on night 1 and didn’t get in line until doors opened. There were more people on Mikes side but most of them were sitting down on the floor at that point and I estimated that once they stood, that space would condense and we would end up being a lot closer. We had been sitting there for 45 min or so when at least 4-5 people who I had not seen yet began to trickle in and made their way up front, saying things like “I’m just getting back to where I was.” Now I have no way of knowing if they had been there before but I hadn’t seen them in the 45 min or so that I had been sitting there and to me that’s too long of a time to be gone in that situation. They were likely holding spots for people which isn’t cool but I have no way to prove it and who am I to argue when it’s just me against a group of people.
Even with those few extra people, that section still did condense when everyone stood as I expected and I was essentially 5 rows deep between Mike and Ed and was roughly in the same position as someone who said they got in line at 1pm. I couldn’t have been a much better spot so standing in line for an extra 5 hours would have provided zero benefit. The show was amazing, I ended up grabbing 3 picks from Mike and then had my PJ moment at the very end. I had been chasing Indifference for 15 years and they finally played it. Towards the end of the song Ed was right in front of us. I had a sign showing my quest for Indiff, Ed saw it and tossed me his tambourine.
To me there isn’t really a way to top that. I had my moment and if I had GA for night 2, I would have traded out for seats. Let someone else have their moment. So to me it is a bit much to try to be on the rail for every single show. I feel like one time on the rail per tour should be enough and to go for it every single show seems to be a little greedy. I also don’t know how you do it physically. My legs and back were dead after that and I’m in pretty decent shape. I needed a full day to recover, sleep in my own bed etc…, I couldn’t imagine getting straight back in line and camping out for 2 nights.
And on that front things seems to be escalating out of control. Before I felt like people would get in line at like 8am to get the rail. Now people are camping out for 2 days, leaving early on N1 to get back in line etc... It’s too much, and potentially dangerous. There was bad storm that ripped through on my way home that night to where I had to pull off the road. 70mph winds, hail (hail!). Tornado threat. If that was just a little further north it would have went through where people were camping out. People shouldn’t be sleeping in the streets and it’s only a matter of time before some kind of disaster happens. Sometimes you need to put things in place to protect people from themselves.
The last thing I want to mention is some of the comments around how people are able to end up with GA for every show and that they just work harder to get tickets. I feel like this is similar to telling someone who works 2 jobs but still under the poverty line that they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they dont even have boots. People may have worked just as hard as me to get tickets but I don’t know if anyone worked harder. I don’t have a network of PJ friends to work with and I got shut out in the lottery. I looked all day every day for 5 months and it was 4 months before I even got my first tickets in the nosebleeds. Only by chance did I catch a FB post at the exact second it was released for a pair of floor 1 row C tickets for N2 which I was able to convince him to try a link drop with me. I then was on at the right time when someone wanted to trade N1 GAs and agreed to trade for my N2 Floor 1 tickets and he agreed to share his login. The only way I was able to get one pair of GA tickets was to be in the right place at the right time twice and that required endless hours of scanning the forums, FB, etc day in day out.
The current ticket system has some inequalities built into it. If you have a low 10c number there is no penalty for requesting tickets to every show. No one knows what the demand is going to look like for 2 nights in Raleigh but if you have a low 10c number it won’t matter if you don’t get GA you still know that you will get great tickets that can then be leveraged to trade for other great seats at the shows you want to go to or will be easily sold through F2F. If you have a high 10c number and don’t get GA then you might get stuck with tickets that won’t sell if the demand for that show is lower so you likely can’t just put in for every show. Low 10c numbers might not even plan to go to any show but still put in for tickets as you will have great value to trade. People remember who helped them get good tickets, and then can return the favor for later shows. Over time this starts to form different groups of classes of 10c members. Some who always have great tickets to trade so it’s a lot easier to trade up for GA and some who start with nothing and have to fight just to get in the door. I thinks it’s worth trying to find a way to level that out a bit.
Regarding the tickets, I didn't mean to come off as flippant "just work harder" when I responded a couple pages back but I was perhaps overly snarky in my response because I was specifically responding to allegations that I'm gaming the system somehow because that was definitely the undertone of what those comments were getting at. In all honestly getting ANY tickets more than a couple days ahead of time was agony for this tour and I made my frustrations very known in the fan to fan threads and how I emailed screenshots of scalped tickets to the ten club what felt like every other day. It might be surprising but I want the system changed and I offered plenty of thoughts on the matter ranging from will call to simply putting pressure on Ticketmaster to fix the hack that allows barcodes to be shared which in my opinion is what single-handedly ruined fan to fan.
That said... acquiring tickets IS a lot of work. I was basically nonstop checking Facebook in the months leading up to the shows and was able to secure about half of my tickets before I actually left for Florida. Zero of my trades were among people I knew going into it but 100% due to just having a presence on this forum, Reddit, or Facebook and being the first to respond. Honestly I barely traded with people I know personally because we all need the same tickets. It really was a numbers game and obsessively checking social media similar to how I used to obsessively refresh fan to fan in '22 and '23. I honestly got pretty burned out by it all and instead of my usual I'm-too-excited-to-even-eat feeling before previous tours this time I was stressed and frustrated. Especially because I felt like the deck was stacked against people who didn't know every single nuance of fan to fan and took it upon myself to feel responsible for getting my friends tickets too.
You were right there with me on pretty much every post and link attempt that I went for along the way. I know you worked hard on it and put in just as much time or more as anyone. It was was a difficult road indeed and hopefully none of us will have to put in that much time next time.
i've seen them 52 times. never had rail. never wanted rail because i hate standing in line. i'd rather hang out at a bar with my friends and walk in 10 minutes before showtime. my life doesn't revolve around the band and my time is too valuable for me to waste it standing in a ga line. i guarantee i have had just as much fun as the people down front, and that's ok.
people have their thing. some like the rail, some don't. its all good.
I went to 8 shows during the DM tour. Didn't see one opening act... oops lol
You missed out if any of them were the western shows with Deep Sea Diver. I watched their set ten times, loved it every time, and now have a favorite "new" band.
i've seen them 52 times. never had rail. never wanted rail because i hate standing in line. i'd rather hang out at a bar with my friends and walk in 10 minutes before showtime. my life doesn't revolve around the band and my time is too valuable for me to waste it standing in a ga line. i guarantee i have had just as much fun as the people down front, and that's ok.
people have their thing. some like the rail, some don't. its all good.
I went to 8 shows during the DM tour. Didn't see one opening act... oops lol
You missed out if any of them were the western shows with Deep Sea Diver. I watched their set ten times, loved it every time, and now have a favorite "new" band.
Love them. Caught their tour last month:
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
i've seen them 52 times. never had rail. never wanted rail because i hate standing in line. i'd rather hang out at a bar with my friends and walk in 10 minutes before showtime. my life doesn't revolve around the band and my time is too valuable for me to waste it standing in a ga line. i guarantee i have had just as much fun as the people down front, and that's ok.
people have their thing. some like the rail, some don't. its all good.
I went to 8 shows during the DM tour. Didn't see one opening act... oops lol
You missed out if any of them were the western shows with Deep Sea Diver. I watched their set ten times, loved it every time, and now have a favorite "new" band.
Love them. Caught their tour last month:
I'm jealous. They played two shows in L.A. (and one in S.D.), and they all took place during a five-day span when I was back east. I had been listening to the new album non-stop. I'm really hoping they play a SoCal gig or two when they're here for Ohana.
i've seen them 52 times. never had rail. never wanted rail because i hate standing in line. i'd rather hang out at a bar with my friends and walk in 10 minutes before showtime. my life doesn't revolve around the band and my time is too valuable for me to waste it standing in a ga line. i guarantee i have had just as much fun as the people down front, and that's ok.
people have their thing. some like the rail, some don't. its all good.
I went to 8 shows during the DM tour. Didn't see one opening act... oops lol
You missed out if any of them were the western shows with Deep Sea Diver. I watched their set ten times, loved it every time, and now have a favorite "new" band.
I did not enjoy them much. Nor the sweatpants teasers. Average at best for both.
Again, just for me. Josh K I loved, so maybe my musical tastes are … unique.
This is ridiculous. I'm glad PJ are not pulling this crap on us.
You should have seen some of the Jazz Fest packages and Ohana has a $10,255 package (with hotel and food and merch vouchers, etc). They all sell out.
You think Ed is making money off the hotel packages?
Yeah. I know they are. I was in hospitality for decades. The promoters (and whatever Ed’s company is) will either get a rebate from the hotel or they where given the rooms at rate A and mark it up to rate B and include it in the package. It’s probably the first, not uncommon and acceptable business practice. There’s nothing wrong with it. They will get a rebate from the other hotels that are partnered with them too or those hotels paid for placement or both. You think they aren’t and those “preferred” hotels don’t have a business arrangement? It’s not altruism. It’s business. That’s how all the festivals, sports tournaments, conferences, expos, Comic Con, etc work.
i've seen them 52 times. never had rail. never wanted rail because i hate standing in line. i'd rather hang out at a bar with my friends and walk in 10 minutes before showtime. my life doesn't revolve around the band and my time is too valuable for me to waste it standing in a ga line. i guarantee i have had just as much fun as the people down front, and that's ok.
people have their thing. some like the rail, some don't. its all good.
I went to 8 shows during the DM tour. Didn't see one opening act... oops lol
You missed out if any of them were the western shows with Deep Sea Diver. I watched their set ten times, loved it every time, and now have a favorite "new" band.
Best opener of the DM tour was Hansard and it’s not even close. At least for me. With all due respect to the others, I had to spend a lot of time on the concourse.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2; Indy; Chicago 1-2; MSG 1-2; Philly 2; Boston 2; Ohana 1-2; 2025: FL 1-2, ATL 1-2, Nash 1-2, Pit 1-2.
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
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Never 'Camped out', and never wil. I personally dont like the sound so much in the first 3 rows, been there several times. For me the sound is a big difference there and 10 rows back (wich i prefere).
At the end its everyones own choice, its all good.
Dead and Company tickets are getting ready go on sale next week. People will be paying $6,346. for VIP tickets but will have random lottery for 1st entry.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
That said... acquiring tickets IS a lot of work. I was basically nonstop checking Facebook in the months leading up to the shows and was able to secure about half of my tickets before I actually left for Florida. Zero of my trades were among people I knew going into it but 100% due to just having a presence on this forum, Reddit, or Facebook and being the first to respond. Honestly I barely traded with people I know personally because we all need the same tickets. It really was a numbers game and obsessively checking social media similar to how I used to obsessively refresh fan to fan in '22 and '23. I honestly got pretty burned out by it all and instead of my usual I'm-too-excited-to-even-eat feeling before previous tours this time I was stressed and frustrated. Especially because I felt like the deck was stacked against people who didn't know every single nuance of fan to fan and took it upon myself to feel responsible for getting my friends tickets too.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023