Given EV and the Earthlings are strongly rumoured to be regrouping for the US/Aus shows later this year, I can definitely see next year being some EV European and maybe some American shows, and no PJ. Guess it could look like 2017 or 2019…..
Lets really hope not. Europe needs its DM fix
Agree. Will be madness if all Europe got on Dark Matter was a short Iberian tour
Would it be madness? Euros complained so much about ticket prices.
My guess is that the issue about the higher ticket prices will be much much less of an issue now. There has been a massive hike in ticket prices across the board over here in the last year. Unfortunately PJ were the first major band to increase their prices for the Euro 2024 tour. Since then many other bands playing this year including Oasis, Arcade Fire, Coldplay etc have charged more than PJ! It was unfortunate timing I think, together with the late announcements when most other concerts announced in October - December time in 2023. Also been a cost of living crisis here in 2023/24 which we are slowly coming out of.
Given EV and the Earthlings are strongly rumoured to be regrouping for the US/Aus shows later this year, I can definitely see next year being some EV European and maybe some American shows, and no PJ. Guess it could look like 2017 or 2019…..
Lets really hope not. Europe needs its DM fix
Agree. Will be madness if all Europe got on Dark Matter was a short Iberian tour
Would it be madness? Euros complained so much about ticket prices.
My guess is that the issue about the higher ticket prices will be much much less of an issue now. There has been a massive hike in ticket prices across the board over here in the last year. Unfortunately PJ were the first major band to increase their prices for the Euro 2024 tour. Since then many other bands playing this year including Oasis, Arcade Fire, Coldplay etc have charged more than PJ! It was unfortunate timing I think, together with the late announcements when most other concerts announced in October - December time in 2023. Also been a cost of living crisis here in 2023/24 which we are slowly coming out of.
There is a cost of living crisis all of the world not just Europe. So PJ was ahead of the curve on hiking ticket prices. All that whining was for nothing then. People voted with their wallets and didn’t go to the shows. Yet yall want another tour? Americans easily paid those prices. You can’t whine and then want another tour.
Given EV and the Earthlings are strongly rumoured to be regrouping for the US/Aus shows later this year, I can definitely see next year being some EV European and maybe some American shows, and no PJ. Guess it could look like 2017 or 2019…..
Lets really hope not. Europe needs its DM fix
Agree. Will be madness if all Europe got on Dark Matter was a short Iberian tour
Would it be madness? Euros complained so much about ticket prices.
My guess is that the issue about the higher ticket prices will be much much less of an issue now. There has been a massive hike in ticket prices across the board over here in the last year. Unfortunately PJ were the first major band to increase their prices for the Euro 2024 tour. Since then many other bands playing this year including Oasis, Arcade Fire, Coldplay etc have charged more than PJ! It was unfortunate timing I think, together with the late announcements when most other concerts announced in October - December time in 2023. Also been a cost of living crisis here in 2023/24 which we are slowly coming out of.
The issue was charging the same for the great AND the not so great. PJ needs to shed that model, unfortunately
Given EV and the Earthlings are strongly rumoured to be regrouping for the US/Aus shows later this year, I can definitely see next year being some EV European and maybe some American shows, and no PJ. Guess it could look like 2017 or 2019…..
Lets really hope not. Europe needs its DM fix
Agree. Will be madness if all Europe got on Dark Matter was a short Iberian tour
Would it be madness? Euros complained so much about ticket prices.
My guess is that the issue about the higher ticket prices will be much much less of an issue now. There has been a massive hike in ticket prices across the board over here in the last year. Unfortunately PJ were the first major band to increase their prices for the Euro 2024 tour. Since then many other bands playing this year including Oasis, Arcade Fire, Coldplay etc have charged more than PJ! It was unfortunate timing I think, together with the late announcements when most other concerts announced in October - December time in 2023. Also been a cost of living crisis here in 2023/24 which we are slowly coming out of.
There is a cost of living crisis all of the world not just Europe. So PJ was ahead of the curve on hiking ticket prices. All that whining was for nothing then. People voted with their wallets and didn’t go to the shows. Yet yall want another tour? Americans easily paid those prices. You can’t whine and then want another tour.
I think you are overly simplifying matters but I get your point.
It was a bit of a shit show all round really
But I said back then, and I'll say it again....I would happily pay double those prices to see the band. Take my money. Its the best night of the year seeing this band, by a mile too.
Given EV and the Earthlings are strongly rumoured to be regrouping for the US/Aus shows later this year, I can definitely see next year being some EV European and maybe some American shows, and no PJ. Guess it could look like 2017 or 2019…..
Lets really hope not. Europe needs its DM fix
Agree. Will be madness if all Europe got on Dark Matter was a short Iberian tour
Would it be madness? Euros complained so much about ticket prices.
My guess is that the issue about the higher ticket prices will be much much less of an issue now. There has been a massive hike in ticket prices across the board over here in the last year. Unfortunately PJ were the first major band to increase their prices for the Euro 2024 tour. Since then many other bands playing this year including Oasis, Arcade Fire, Coldplay etc have charged more than PJ! It was unfortunate timing I think, together with the late announcements when most other concerts announced in October - December time in 2023. Also been a cost of living crisis here in 2023/24 which we are slowly coming out of.
There is a cost of living crisis all of the world not just Europe. So PJ was ahead of the curve on hiking ticket prices. All that whining was for nothing then. People voted with their wallets and didn’t go to the shows. Yet yall want another tour? Americans easily paid those prices. You can’t whine and then want another tour.
I get what you are saying but as Paul said, it’s a lot more complex than that. There was so much going on which impacted the ticket sales (the price hike, late announcement, competing concerts on the same days, poor choice of venue at Spurs stadium etc). It’s a completely different market and set of circumstances compared to America and you can’t really compare them.
Saying that I was happy to pay the ticket prices and had tickets for 5 shows (2 of which were cancelled) and didn’t complain at all so probably not representative of others.
Why do we think pj needs 1-2 years off? Just burnt out?
Eddie was pretty direct about it being a year or two. I know you can’t take his word most of the time at face value but Sunday night really felt like a farewell….whereas Austin 2 2023 and Denver 2022 did not feel that way at all
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Why do we think pj needs 1-2 years off? Just burnt out?
They're not burnt out enough for side projects. I suspect we'll get plenty of them in the next 1-2 years. They're always doing something, whether together or as a side project.
Time off = studio time.
I think that's what it comes down to. They want/need to retreat in order to work on the next album. If they keep touring Dark Matter, they end up with a Lightning Bolt situation where we go 5+ years without a new album. In my worst-case scenario, we get the new album in spring of 2027 and that's four years between album releases.
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Why do we think pj needs 1-2 years off? Just burnt out?
Eddie was pretty direct about it being a year or two. I know you can’t take his word most of the time at face value but Sunday night really felt like a farewell….whereas Austin 2 2023 and Denver 2022 did not feel that way at all
This.
He was direct/honest during the final Fenway 2018 show as well.
Hunker down, go find some other stuff to listen to or listen to the PJ boots and whatever music comes from the individual members the next year or two. It's gonna be a while until the Pearl Jam machine rides again.
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I’d be surprised if we don’t get something like ‘23 or this year in ‘26. They have to pay the bills.
Yes because the $100 million they made off the Dark Matter tour is not enough to live for a year or two. We have been lucky with tours during the past three years. I would not be surprised if they take two years off.
Unless I'm misremembering, which is always possible, the 2018 comparisons aren't apples to apples. What he said in 2018 was that the next time they played together would be in the studio, not that they weren't going to tour for awhile. Fans took it to mean that because 2019 came and went and then COVID postponed 2020, but Ed said nothing about any of that at Fenway.
Sunday night was different. Sunday night was definitely them ending one tour and taking a break before the next.
I think they are most certainly taking a well deserved break. However, I would be surprised if we don’t see/ hear from the band before 2027. Jeff had some great remarks at the end of the Rick Beato interview about life and loss. He talks about how he would drop anything to play with the guys, not taking the time they have together for granted, etc. I thought it was really genuine/ powerful message. Mike also agreed that he’s at his best when they are all together. They’ve got a ton of great momentum going right now. I think they’ll build on that.
I have a hard time seeing them take the entirety of 2026 off. I have no inside knowledge would guess we get shows in the last third or quarter of 2026. Hopefully this break looks something like 2010-2011. Canada and South America hopefully get shows and UK/EU are deserving as well.
I remember in Chicago 2016, Boston 2018 and Denver 2022 feeling uncertain about when we would see the band again. Chicago 2016 it was nearly two years until EU 2018, Denver turned out to be about a year and Boston turned out to be three years due to COVID.
2003 - June 15 Fargo 2005 - Sept 1 George, Sept 8 Winnipeg 2006 - May 9/10 Toronto, June 26/27 St. Paul, July 22/23 George, Oct 21/22 Mountain View 2007 - Aug 2/5 Chicago 2008 - June 22 Washington, June 24/25 New York 2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia 2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View 2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon 2012 - Sept 30 Missoula 2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle 2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee 2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York 2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago
Why do we think pj needs 1-2 years off? Just burnt out?
Eddie was pretty direct about it being a year or two. I know you can’t take his word most of the time at face value but Sunday night really felt like a farewell….whereas Austin 2 2023 and Denver 2022 did not feel that way at all
This.
He was direct/honest during the final Fenway 2018 show as well.
Hunker down, go find some other stuff to listen to or listen to the PJ boots and whatever music comes from the individual members the next year or two. It's gonna be a while until the Pearl Jam machine rides again.
I am glad he was clear about this. I am always hesitant to make big travel plans until I know what PJ is going to do because I don't want to miss anything I could reasonably get to. This gives me the freedom to do some other stuff and not have that lingering worry.
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It was a bit of a shit show all round really
But I said back then, and I'll say it again....I would happily pay double those prices to see the band. Take my money. Its the best night of the year seeing this band, by a mile too.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
They're not burnt out enough for side projects. I suspect we'll get plenty of them in the next 1-2 years. They're always doing something, whether together or as a side project.
Time off = studio time.
I think that's what it comes down to. They want/need to retreat in order to work on the next album. If they keep touring Dark Matter, they end up with a Lightning Bolt situation where we go 5+ years without a new album. In my worst-case scenario, we get the new album in spring of 2027 and that's four years between album releases.
This.
He was direct/honest during the final Fenway 2018 show as well.
Hunker down, go find some other stuff to listen to or listen to the PJ boots and whatever music comes from the individual members the next year or two. It's gonna be a while until the Pearl Jam machine rides again.
Yes because the $100 million they made off the Dark Matter tour is not enough to live for a year or two. We have been lucky with tours during the past three years. I would not be surprised if they take two years off.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Sunday night was different. Sunday night was definitely them ending one tour and taking a break before the next.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I remember in Chicago 2016, Boston 2018 and Denver 2022 feeling uncertain about when we would see the band again. Chicago 2016 it was nearly two years until EU 2018, Denver turned out to be about a year and Boston turned out to be three years due to COVID.
2005 - Sept 1 George, Sept 8 Winnipeg
2006 - May 9/10 Toronto, June 26/27 St. Paul, July 22/23 George, Oct 21/22 Mountain View
2007 - Aug 2/5 Chicago
2008 - June 22 Washington, June 24/25 New York
2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia
2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View
2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon
2012 - Sept 30 Missoula
2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle
2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee
2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York
2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago