I think if someone is willing to sit on a city street for 40 hours you might be underestimating their will to grind out getting GA tickets. It's not thaaat hard especially if you know a bunch of people.
Tell that to the MANY on here that have been grinding for tix (GA, upgrades or otherwise) for months. It's pretty hard this tour.
I'm not sure how the system goes at this point. But what if you have a group of 40 or so people in contact. Can they have memberships for them and family members? Over-buy and they have all sorts of inventory to trade amongst themselves.
Yeah, this system isn't flawed. I know people who have stood at the rail for the last 6 shows. In a lottery system.
I know people who haven't won the Pearl Jam lottery for tickets, in 10 years Not once.
Yeah this system isn't flawed.
This is the question I have. I don't have any ill will to anyone that is going to put in the effort to camp out and be in the first 20 people in line (as long as anyone and everyone who gets in that line gets their spot and isn't bumped down because they aren't in the friend group). I may think they are crazy to do this repeatedly for years, but that's not the issue.
The honest question I have is how do the same people get GA tix to every show in this lottery system. It's a mathematical improbability for everyone to get GA for every show. How does this happen? I have trouble believing that there isn't some gaming of the system going on here. Whether scalping their fanclub tickets to fund GA secondary market purchases or something else. I really genuinely would like to know. I do know that trying to get ten GA pairs for a random group of ten of us in here would be next to impossible without a thumb on the scale.
I’ve posed this same question. The math just doesn’t compute.
who gives a shit? never had GA, could care less. If people can afford taking time off work/retired/decide this month they want to follow the band they love......who cares? Don't blame the people who still love the music and want to see it live and have a good time. If there isa problem with the system for tickets.... how long until we all run out of breath and logging in with limited but maybe fair options... Only PJ can do something about it all these years later... every view is fine...... it's music
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I think if someone is willing to sit on a city street for 40 hours you might be underestimating their will to grind out getting GA tickets. It's not thaaat hard especially if you know a bunch of people.
Tell that to the MANY on here that have been grinding for tix (GA, upgrades or otherwise) for months. It's pretty hard this tour.
The MANY people grinding on here are not in the special club.
pearl Jam was once about music and importance,...... now.... it's just people with a point of view I battle you in discussion... what happened to enjoyment and music? love this band, weird fans these days
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pearl Jam was once about music and importance,...... now.... it's just people with a point of view I battle you in discussion... what happened to enjoyment and music? love this band, weird fans these days
I’ve said it numerous times, the fans are one of the best things about this band, while simultaneously being the absolute worst thing about the band.
pearl Jam was once about music and importance,...... now.... it's just people with a point of view I battle you in discussion... what happened to enjoyment and music? love this band, weird fans these days
I was lucky enough to get to some shows on this tour, and man... this thread especially has driven home how nice it was to get out & be around people in person and away from the bullshit of this forum for a while. The enjoyment and music is still there for those who want it.
pearl Jam was once about music and importance,...... now.... it's just people with a point of view I battle you in discussion... what happened to enjoyment and music? love this band, weird fans these days
I’ve said it numerous times, the fans are one of the best things about this band, while simultaneously being the absolute worst thing about the band.
Most shows if you line up at 5pm… you will be 4-5 heads back worse case scenario… the rail is the reward for the zombies who tough it out all night, helps them not completely collapse once inside 🤣
good for them… I like lil luxury, to each their own
I think if someone is willing to sit on a city street for 40 hours you might be underestimating their will to grind out getting GA tickets. It's not thaaat hard especially if you know a bunch of people.
Tell that to the MANY on here that have been grinding for tix (GA, upgrades or otherwise) for months. It's pretty hard this tour.
The MANY people grinding on here are not in the special club.
@Chrrie fact-based summation was accurate and representative of the situation on the ground.
Where a misunderstanding has occurred or where situational awareness isn't shared by all parties on the ground generally speaking maturity and fairness prevail. I say generally speaking because while emotions are heightened sometimes people say or do silly or offensive things. We've all of us worked hard to afford ourselves the opportunity to see a show or perhaps even tour behind the band for several shows and both adrenaline and FOMO are at their high. The GA line isn't a "buck stops here" scenario but I would just say as @Chrrie noted there are two sides to every story.
There is negativity often directed at those who are dedicated in their efforts to line up extensively for GA. People will attack their lifestyle choices, their passion and level of dedication (or frankly lack thereof), people will hurl insults at those who choose to tour behind the band for multiple shows (and for multiple years) especially focused on their desire to be as close to the front of the GA line so as to afford the chance to be as close to the stage rail as possible. Regardless of your position on the matter every situation on the ground at every show can and will be different. Could one or two bad apples ruin it for the bunch? Naturally. As I noted with a good friend earlier: it's difficult to achieve a good reputation but it's easy to achieve a bad reputation. Judging from afar is often clouded by prejudice.
Having said that I understand, in my humble opinion, why the GA line exists in the matter that it does tour in and tour out. Some have suggested, on multiple occasions, that the band ought to revert to a random GA line: for example come 8am morning of show there are 150 concertgoers already in the GA line and numbered wristbands are handed out to them and anyone else who lines up after them and at 12:00pm venue security will hold a draw to pick out a number that forms the start of the line - if number 76 is drawn that number becomes the front of the line and is followed by 77, 78, and 79 etc until all numbers are exhausted and then number 1 joins the back of the line. Bruce Springsteen has adopted this method and many would like to see this band do the same.
The current GA model is favoured by the band because the GA crowd has proven itself capable of monitoring and policing itself as numerous occasions. As Ed has often asked from the mic, "police yourselves." I don't pretend to be a mind reader but I think it's safe to say for the majority of us serious collectors and dedicated touring ans seeing the band up close and personal is a highly prized event. So much so some can be overwhelmed by their own passion and fandom...with a small minority even taking things to an extreme. I would just say as follows: the band has a security list that is monitored for threats, I don't believe this is confidential information to state publicly, but I think we might take things for granted that perhaps the band still can't.
Attending a concert of the band's involves walking through a metal detector but beyond that if someone were to cause an extremely uncomfortable situation upfront, even an unprovoked verbal assault, at the band I wouldn't think the band would immediately instruct their security to kick said person out. Ed has observed and evaluated a lot from the mic, and he's quickly able to determine the difference between an asshole and a drunk. The GA crowd is an established and proven community, so much so that crew and band personnel have formed friendships with many of them...a chance meeting years ago now leads to meeting up at the GA floor to share photos of their kids and home improvements. You might not agree with the breakdown of informal conduct that occurs in lining up but the friendships and camaraderie that have developed is endorsed by the band.
There exists the opportunity for anyone and everyone to participate. The GA crowd at the front of the lines are often the scapegoats and that's easy to do behind a keyboard here or on the Facebook. I will say what I've noticed this leg, in 2025, that I didn't notice so much while touring behind the band in 2005, for example, is the prevalence of the Me vs We mentality. This I think is the bigger take away here.
I'll cite some examples.
At the recent Hollywood shows the GA and merch lines were subject to some unique circumstances. A casino after all is happy to host concerts at their venue onsite but generally speaking don't care much for obsessed fans roaming and establishing hundreds-long lines on the premises that impact otherwise harmonious operations. I'll get right to the gist of it: a merch line was established at a specific casino security-sanctioned zone during the early hours of the first Hollywood show and a crowd of 50-75 had lined up peacefully and happily to wait it out from very early morning. A general email had gone out advising of no lineups prior to a certain time for merch, and I'm not here to debate this position: the band's merch manager's job is to conduct a safe and secure sale on the ground. This can only be accomplished when fans line up in an orderly fashion. Said merch manager only recognizes one line. Roughly 15 minutes prior to the official start time for the merch line an older woman and her husband arrives on site, walked up and across from the established line to create their own alternate line. This couple's reasoning: ''I don't know what all you people are here for but the email said no line prior to X and I'm here at X and thus I'm at the front of the line." Again, my opinion or interpretation as compared to your opinion and interpretation of her behaviour and logic aside: the band's merch manager was advised of the situation and his thought process is very simple - in this situation he had no intention or arguing with anyone but he was simply going to deny this woman and her husband service. No shouting or fighting or cursing involved. Take it or leave it and it was on her...she ultimately left her alternate front of the line and joined the proper line at her spot.
Separately the Hollywood merch line was in a specific zone of the casino that was next to an area closed off to those not staying at the hotel property. This closed off zone was made up of some hallways which lead to the ballroom where the merch sale was to occur. Some of our fellow fans who happened to be staying at the hotel property, and I'd say it was roughly 5-10 of them, decided since they had access to circumvent security and walk up right to the ballroom entrance they'd now form the basis for what would become the merch line. Worth noting the email mentioning the approved location for the merch line did not specify this: this small group of people splintered off to do what was best for them and ignored the line which they knew had formed elsewhere. To quote one of these people "I paid a lot of money to stay here and I am entitled to line up where I want." LIke with the older couple mentioned prior the merch line crowd attempted to reason with these people, to everyone's benefit so casino security wouldn't get fed up with any arguments and toss everyone out, but to no avail. Once again the band's merch manager was advised and he proceeded to advise casino security who promptly removed this alternate ballroom line.
I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.
But these examples and others...it's all at the heart of it a Me vs We mentality. And these examples of the Me vs We mentality are the opposite of what I've seen occur at the GA lines by those who are attacked and bashed and mocked and ridiculed for choosing to line up very early. We don't like the drunk Even Bro forcing his way up front at the perfectly timed moment for a chance at the tambo pushing anyone and everyone aside including those who have earned their spot. We bash those who have earned their spot while someone else could have done so.
Forest for the trees. That's all I want to say.
The Hollywood examples are part of whats actually wrong though. The "band" will announce no pre-line ups. So those that don't know any better, will read that and think it actually means no pre lines. They'll go about their business, hangout in the casino or whatever, then when the time comes walk up to the merch line only to be told to go to the back because they weren't waiting in the non-existent pre-line.
I understand your point that they need to do something like that to maintain order. But then make that information available to everyone. Don't post one thing, then punish those who followed the rules.
If you line up first, you go in first. If you want to be closer, line up earlier. No one owes anyone else anything.
Welcome to a basic human life.
Which is fine if everyone is treated equally. It seems the problem is it's a "rules for thee and not for me" situation. I think it's the gatekeeper attitude that people that are camping for one show get from people doing it regularly. Follow our ways and it's copacetic. Deviate and well not so much. Honestly this type of behavior isn't just for Pearl Jam. It happens in a lot of fan bases from the Killers to Wide Spread Panic to Dead & Co that has GA. If this is what they want to do cool. I'd never criticize where people get they're joy as long as someone else isn't wronged. Do I find it a bit strange? Yeah and this is coming from a guy that spend two half semesters and two quarter semesters camping out for basketball games. But that was thirty years ago.
The GA scalper/broker amongst them though is a slap in the face to other 10C members. That news was disheartening.
@Chrrie fact-based summation was accurate and representative of the situation on the ground.
Where a misunderstanding has occurred or where situational awareness isn't shared by all parties on the ground generally speaking maturity and fairness prevail. I say generally speaking because while emotions are heightened sometimes people say or do silly or offensive things. We've all of us worked hard to afford ourselves the opportunity to see a show or perhaps even tour behind the band for several shows and both adrenaline and FOMO are at their high. The GA line isn't a "buck stops here" scenario but I would just say as @Chrrie noted there are two sides to every story.
There is negativity often directed at those who are dedicated in their efforts to line up extensively for GA. People will attack their lifestyle choices, their passion and level of dedication (or frankly lack thereof), people will hurl insults at those who choose to tour behind the band for multiple shows (and for multiple years) especially focused on their desire to be as close to the front of the GA line so as to afford the chance to be as close to the stage rail as possible. Regardless of your position on the matter every situation on the ground at every show can and will be different. Could one or two bad apples ruin it for the bunch? Naturally. As I noted with a good friend earlier: it's difficult to achieve a good reputation but it's easy to achieve a bad reputation. Judging from afar is often clouded by prejudice.
Having said that I understand, in my humble opinion, why the GA line exists in the matter that it does tour in and tour out. Some have suggested, on multiple occasions, that the band ought to revert to a random GA line: for example come 8am morning of show there are 150 concertgoers already in the GA line and numbered wristbands are handed out to them and anyone else who lines up after them and at 12:00pm venue security will hold a draw to pick out a number that forms the start of the line - if number 76 is drawn that number becomes the front of the line and is followed by 77, 78, and 79 etc until all numbers are exhausted and then number 1 joins the back of the line. Bruce Springsteen has adopted this method and many would like to see this band do the same.
The current GA model is favoured by the band because the GA crowd has proven itself capable of monitoring and policing itself as numerous occasions. As Ed has often asked from the mic, "police yourselves." I don't pretend to be a mind reader but I think it's safe to say for the majority of us serious collectors and dedicated touring ans seeing the band up close and personal is a highly prized event. So much so some can be overwhelmed by their own passion and fandom...with a small minority even taking things to an extreme. I would just say as follows: the band has a security list that is monitored for threats, I don't believe this is confidential information to state publicly, but I think we might take things for granted that perhaps the band still can't.
Attending a concert of the band's involves walking through a metal detector but beyond that if someone were to cause an extremely uncomfortable situation upfront, even an unprovoked verbal assault, at the band I wouldn't think the band would immediately instruct their security to kick said person out. Ed has observed and evaluated a lot from the mic, and he's quickly able to determine the difference between an asshole and a drunk. The GA crowd is an established and proven community, so much so that crew and band personnel have formed friendships with many of them...a chance meeting years ago now leads to meeting up at the GA floor to share photos of their kids and home improvements. You might not agree with the breakdown of informal conduct that occurs in lining up but the friendships and camaraderie that have developed is endorsed by the band.
There exists the opportunity for anyone and everyone to participate. The GA crowd at the front of the lines are often the scapegoats and that's easy to do behind a keyboard here or on the Facebook. I will say what I've noticed this leg, in 2025, that I didn't notice so much while touring behind the band in 2005, for example, is the prevalence of the Me vs We mentality. This I think is the bigger take away here.
I'll cite some examples.
At the recent Hollywood shows the GA and merch lines were subject to some unique circumstances. A casino after all is happy to host concerts at their venue onsite but generally speaking don't care much for obsessed fans roaming and establishing hundreds-long lines on the premises that impact otherwise harmonious operations. I'll get right to the gist of it: a merch line was established at a specific casino security-sanctioned zone during the early hours of the first Hollywood show and a crowd of 50-75 had lined up peacefully and happily to wait it out from very early morning. A general email had gone out advising of no lineups prior to a certain time for merch, and I'm not here to debate this position: the band's merch manager's job is to conduct a safe and secure sale on the ground. This can only be accomplished when fans line up in an orderly fashion. Said merch manager only recognizes one line. Roughly 15 minutes prior to the official start time for the merch line an older woman and her husband arrives on site, walked up and across from the established line to create their own alternate line. This couple's reasoning: ''I don't know what all you people are here for but the email said no line prior to X and I'm here at X and thus I'm at the front of the line." Again, my opinion or interpretation as compared to your opinion and interpretation of her behaviour and logic aside: the band's merch manager was advised of the situation and his thought process is very simple - in this situation he had no intention or arguing with anyone but he was simply going to deny this woman and her husband service. No shouting or fighting or cursing involved. Take it or leave it and it was on her...she ultimately left her alternate front of the line and joined the proper line at her spot.
Separately the Hollywood merch line was in a specific zone of the casino that was next to an area closed off to those not staying at the hotel property. This closed off zone was made up of some hallways which lead to the ballroom where the merch sale was to occur. Some of our fellow fans who happened to be staying at the hotel property, and I'd say it was roughly 5-10 of them, decided since they had access to circumvent security and walk up right to the ballroom entrance they'd now form the basis for what would become the merch line. Worth noting the email mentioning the approved location for the merch line did not specify this: this small group of people splintered off to do what was best for them and ignored the line which they knew had formed elsewhere. To quote one of these people "I paid a lot of money to stay here and I am entitled to line up where I want." LIke with the older couple mentioned prior the merch line crowd attempted to reason with these people, to everyone's benefit so casino security wouldn't get fed up with any arguments and toss everyone out, but to no avail. Once again the band's merch manager was advised and he proceeded to advise casino security who promptly removed this alternate ballroom line.
I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.
But these examples and others...it's all at the heart of it a Me vs We mentality. And these examples of the Me vs We mentality are the opposite of what I've seen occur at the GA lines by those who are attacked and bashed and mocked and ridiculed for choosing to line up very early. We don't like the drunk Even Bro forcing his way up front at the perfectly timed moment for a chance at the tambo pushing anyone and everyone aside including those who have earned their spot. We bash those who have earned their spot while someone else could have done so.
Forest for the trees. That's all I want to say.
The Hollywood examples are part of whats actually wrong though. The "band" will announce no pre-line ups. So those that don't know any better, will read that and think it actually means no pre lines. They'll go about their business, hangout in the casino or whatever, then when the time comes walk up to the merch line only to be told to go to the back because they weren't waiting in the non-existent pre-line.
I understand your point that they need to do something like that to maintain order. But then make that information available to everyone. Don't post one thing, then punish those who followed the rules.
I agree.
And when it is the same people up front night after night, they are Me in the "Me vs. We" mentality. Doesn't make anyone a bad person, but maybe a little selfish. You open yourself up to comments when 99.5% of the audience can show up to the venue at 6:30pm and enjoy the show, but you can't without being front row.
IDK, I generally find the GA experience generally pretty great and chill—and I've camped out and been among the first 20 or so and gotten the rail, and I've stood in line a couple hours before and been a few folks back. Like, yeah, some people will be shitty, and it can get weird and chippy, but I generally find that if you just let the assholes be assholes—however you define that—then everybody around you is chiller for it. You're all within a stupid close distance anyway.
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IDK, I generally find the GA experience generally pretty great and chill—and I've camped out and been among the first 20 or so and gotten the rail, and I've stood in line a couple hours before and been a few folks back. Like, yeah, some people will be shitty, and it can get weird and chippy, but I generally find that if you just let the assholes be assholes—however you define that—then everybody around you is chiller for it. You're all within a stupid close distance anyway.
There are so many of these posts that are like "hey sure there are assholes and it can get chippy but..." and what many of us are trying to say is that zero chippiness and assholishness should be a reasonable standard. As far as I can tell it continues on unabated rather than being dealt with.
IDK, I generally find the GA experience generally pretty great and chill—and I've camped out and been among the first 20 or so and gotten the rail, and I've stood in line a couple hours before and been a few folks back. Like, yeah, some people will be shitty, and it can get weird and chippy, but I generally find that if you just let the assholes be assholes—however you define that—then everybody around you is chiller for it. You're all within a stupid close distance anyway.
There are so many of these posts that are like "hey sure there are assholes and it can get chippy but..." and what many of us are trying to say is that zero chippiness and assholishness should be a reasonable standard. As far as I can tell it continues on unabated rather than being dealt with.
Yes sir! And the bullshit has been going on for decades. And they can tell me all day long how they are "angels"
Fact is I wasn't born yesterday.
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Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I'm not sure how the system goes at this point. But what if you have a group of 40 or so people in contact. Can they have memberships for them and family members? Over-buy and they have all sorts of inventory to trade amongst themselves.
That is exactly what is happening, but there is not much to be done about it if people are willing to share TM logins.
IDK, I generally find the GA experience generally pretty great and chill—and I've camped out and been among the first 20 or so and gotten the rail, and I've stood in line a couple hours before and been a few folks back. Like, yeah, some people will be shitty, and it can get weird and chippy, but I generally find that if you just let the assholes be assholes—however you define that—then everybody around you is chiller for it. You're all within a stupid close distance anyway.
There are so many of these posts that are like "hey sure there are assholes and it can get chippy but..." and what many of us are trying to say is that zero chippiness and assholishness should be a reasonable standard. As far as I can tell it continues on unabated rather than being dealt with.
Yes sir! And the bullshit has been going on for decades. And they can tell me all day long how they are "angels"
Fact is I wasn't born yesterday.
Since you put it in quotes... I'll give $25 to a charity of your choice if you can show where someone here used the word "angels" in defense of people who line up for GA.
IDK, I generally find the GA experience generally pretty great and chill—and I've camped out and been among the first 20 or so and gotten the rail, and I've stood in line a couple hours before and been a few folks back. Like, yeah, some people will be shitty, and it can get weird and chippy, but I generally find that if you just let the assholes be assholes—however you define that—then everybody around you is chiller for it. You're all within a stupid close distance anyway.
There are so many of these posts that are like "hey sure there are assholes and it can get chippy but..." and what many of us are trying to say is that zero chippiness and assholishness should be a reasonable standard. As far as I can tell it continues on unabated rather than being dealt with.
Yes sir! And the bullshit has been going on for decades. And they can tell me all day long how they are "angels"
Fact is I wasn't born yesterday.
Since you put it in quotes... I'll give $25 to a charity of your choice if you can show where someone here used the word "angels" in defense of people who line up for GA.
I used the word angels. I've referred to them as angels for 20 years
Keep your $25
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
What do you expect from sleep deprived. People who don’t shower and eat combos and candy bars all day… lucky they haven’t eaten someone’s face who tries to chime in like bath salt people
IDK, I generally find the GA experience generally pretty great and chill—and I've camped out and been among the first 20 or so and gotten the rail, and I've stood in line a couple hours before and been a few folks back. Like, yeah, some people will be shitty, and it can get weird and chippy, but I generally find that if you just let the assholes be assholes—however you define that—then everybody around you is chiller for it. You're all within a stupid close distance anyway.
There are so many of these posts that are like "hey sure there are assholes and it can get chippy but..." and what many of us are trying to say is that zero chippiness and assholishness should be a reasonable standard. As far as I can tell it continues on unabated rather than being dealt with.
Yes sir! And the bullshit has been going on for decades. And they can tell me all day long how they are "angels"
Fact is I wasn't born yesterday.
Since you put it in quotes... I'll give $25 to a charity of your choice if you can show where someone here used the word "angels" in defense of people who line up for GA.
I used the word angels. I've referred to them as angels for 20 years
IDK, I generally find the GA experience generally pretty great and chill—and I've camped out and been among the first 20 or so and gotten the rail, and I've stood in line a couple hours before and been a few folks back. Like, yeah, some people will be shitty, and it can get weird and chippy, but I generally find that if you just let the assholes be assholes—however you define that—then everybody around you is chiller for it. You're all within a stupid close distance anyway.
There are so many of these posts that are like "hey sure there are assholes and it can get chippy but..." and what many of us are trying to say is that zero chippiness and assholishness should be a reasonable standard. As far as I can tell it continues on unabated rather than being dealt with.
Yes sir! And the bullshit has been going on for decades. And they can tell me all day long how they are "angels"
Fact is I wasn't born yesterday.
Since you put it in quotes... I'll give $25 to a charity of your choice if you can show where someone here used the word "angels" in defense of people who line up for GA.
I used the word angels. I've referred to them as angels for 20 years
Keep your $25
Good talk.
It made my day. I thank you
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
IDK, I generally find the GA experience generally pretty great and chill—and I've camped out and been among the first 20 or so and gotten the rail, and I've stood in line a couple hours before and been a few folks back. Like, yeah, some people will be shitty, and it can get weird and chippy, but I generally find that if you just let the assholes be assholes—however you define that—then everybody around you is chiller for it. You're all within a stupid close distance anyway.
I try not to normalize asshole behavior as a general rule. That’s how we got here in the first place. It shouldn’t matter if you are camping out for the first time or the 200th time. You all would be equal. This ain’t Animal Farm which is what the system has become
@Chrrie fact-based summation was accurate and representative of the situation on the ground.
Where a misunderstanding has occurred or where situational awareness isn't shared by all parties on the ground generally speaking maturity and fairness prevail. I say generally speaking because while emotions are heightened sometimes people say or do silly or offensive things. We've all of us worked hard to afford ourselves the opportunity to see a show or perhaps even tour behind the band for several shows and both adrenaline and FOMO are at their high. The GA line isn't a "buck stops here" scenario but I would just say as @Chrrie noted there are two sides to every story.
There is negativity often directed at those who are dedicated in their efforts to line up extensively for GA. People will attack their lifestyle choices, their passion and level of dedication (or frankly lack thereof), people will hurl insults at those who choose to tour behind the band for multiple shows (and for multiple years) especially focused on their desire to be as close to the front of the GA line so as to afford the chance to be as close to the stage rail as possible. Regardless of your position on the matter every situation on the ground at every show can and will be different. Could one or two bad apples ruin it for the bunch? Naturally. As I noted with a good friend earlier: it's difficult to achieve a good reputation but it's easy to achieve a bad reputation. Judging from afar is often clouded by prejudice.
Having said that I understand, in my humble opinion, why the GA line exists in the matter that it does tour in and tour out. Some have suggested, on multiple occasions, that the band ought to revert to a random GA line: for example come 8am morning of show there are 150 concertgoers already in the GA line and numbered wristbands are handed out to them and anyone else who lines up after them and at 12:00pm venue security will hold a draw to pick out a number that forms the start of the line - if number 76 is drawn that number becomes the front of the line and is followed by 77, 78, and 79 etc until all numbers are exhausted and then number 1 joins the back of the line. Bruce Springsteen has adopted this method and many would like to see this band do the same.
The current GA model is favoured by the band because the GA crowd has proven itself capable of monitoring and policing itself as numerous occasions. As Ed has often asked from the mic, "police yourselves." I don't pretend to be a mind reader but I think it's safe to say for the majority of us serious collectors and dedicated touring ans seeing the band up close and personal is a highly prized event. So much so some can be overwhelmed by their own passion and fandom...with a small minority even taking things to an extreme. I would just say as follows: the band has a security list that is monitored for threats, I don't believe this is confidential information to state publicly, but I think we might take things for granted that perhaps the band still can't.
Attending a concert of the band's involves walking through a metal detector but beyond that if someone were to cause an extremely uncomfortable situation upfront, even an unprovoked verbal assault, at the band I wouldn't think the band would immediately instruct their security to kick said person out. Ed has observed and evaluated a lot from the mic, and he's quickly able to determine the difference between an asshole and a drunk. The GA crowd is an established and proven community, so much so that crew and band personnel have formed friendships with many of them...a chance meeting years ago now leads to meeting up at the GA floor to share photos of their kids and home improvements. You might not agree with the breakdown of informal conduct that occurs in lining up but the friendships and camaraderie that have developed is endorsed by the band.
There exists the opportunity for anyone and everyone to participate. The GA crowd at the front of the lines are often the scapegoats and that's easy to do behind a keyboard here or on the Facebook. I will say what I've noticed this leg, in 2025, that I didn't notice so much while touring behind the band in 2005, for example, is the prevalence of the Me vs We mentality. This I think is the bigger take away here.
I'll cite some examples.
At the recent Hollywood shows the GA and merch lines were subject to some unique circumstances. A casino after all is happy to host concerts at their venue onsite but generally speaking don't care much for obsessed fans roaming and establishing hundreds-long lines on the premises that impact otherwise harmonious operations. I'll get right to the gist of it: a merch line was established at a specific casino security-sanctioned zone during the early hours of the first Hollywood show and a crowd of 50-75 had lined up peacefully and happily to wait it out from very early morning. A general email had gone out advising of no lineups prior to a certain time for merch, and I'm not here to debate this position: the band's merch manager's job is to conduct a safe and secure sale on the ground. This can only be accomplished when fans line up in an orderly fashion. Said merch manager only recognizes one line. Roughly 15 minutes prior to the official start time for the merch line an older woman and her husband arrives on site, walked up and across from the established line to create their own alternate line. This couple's reasoning: ''I don't know what all you people are here for but the email said no line prior to X and I'm here at X and thus I'm at the front of the line." Again, my opinion or interpretation as compared to your opinion and interpretation of her behaviour and logic aside: the band's merch manager was advised of the situation and his thought process is very simple - in this situation he had no intention or arguing with anyone but he was simply going to deny this woman and her husband service. No shouting or fighting or cursing involved. Take it or leave it and it was on her...she ultimately left her alternate front of the line and joined the proper line at her spot.
Separately the Hollywood merch line was in a specific zone of the casino that was next to an area closed off to those not staying at the hotel property. This closed off zone was made up of some hallways which lead to the ballroom where the merch sale was to occur. Some of our fellow fans who happened to be staying at the hotel property, and I'd say it was roughly 5-10 of them, decided since they had access to circumvent security and walk up right to the ballroom entrance they'd now form the basis for what would become the merch line. Worth noting the email mentioning the approved location for the merch line did not specify this: this small group of people splintered off to do what was best for them and ignored the line which they knew had formed elsewhere. To quote one of these people "I paid a lot of money to stay here and I am entitled to line up where I want." LIke with the older couple mentioned prior the merch line crowd attempted to reason with these people, to everyone's benefit so casino security wouldn't get fed up with any arguments and toss everyone out, but to no avail. Once again the band's merch manager was advised and he proceeded to advise casino security who promptly removed this alternate ballroom line.
I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.
But these examples and others...it's all at the heart of it a Me vs We mentality. And these examples of the Me vs We mentality are the opposite of what I've seen occur at the GA lines by those who are attacked and bashed and mocked and ridiculed for choosing to line up very early. We don't like the drunk Even Bro forcing his way up front at the perfectly timed moment for a chance at the tambo pushing anyone and everyone aside including those who have earned their spot. We bash those who have earned their spot while someone else could have done so.
Forest for the trees. That's all I want to say.
The Hollywood examples are part of whats actually wrong though. The "band" will announce no pre-line ups. So those that don't know any better, will read that and think it actually means no pre lines. They'll go about their business, hangout in the casino or whatever, then when the time comes walk up to the merch line only to be told to go to the back because they weren't waiting in the non-existent pre-line.
I understand your point that they need to do something like that to maintain order. But then make that information available to everyone. Don't post one thing, then punish those who followed the rules.
For liability and security reasons and to keep fans away from private property during off hours lines are discouraged. The band clearly believes it’s up to the fans to police themselves and the vast majority of fans, whether at the GA or merch lines, have been able to do so. A vast majority of fans, whether arriving for GA or merch, will naturally seek out and congregate with the fans who showed up prior and thus contribute to the growing lines. This successfully maintained protocol has always ensured order and transition (from off onto venue property) with minimal issues. It’s the handful who ignore this community approach that always seek to benefit themselves.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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@Chrrie fact-based summation was accurate and representative of the situation on the ground.
Where a misunderstanding has occurred or where situational awareness isn't shared by all parties on the ground generally speaking maturity and fairness prevail. I say generally speaking because while emotions are heightened sometimes people say or do silly or offensive things. We've all of us worked hard to afford ourselves the opportunity to see a show or perhaps even tour behind the band for several shows and both adrenaline and FOMO are at their high. The GA line isn't a "buck stops here" scenario but I would just say as @Chrrie noted there are two sides to every story.
There is negativity often directed at those who are dedicated in their efforts to line up extensively for GA. People will attack their lifestyle choices, their passion and level of dedication (or frankly lack thereof), people will hurl insults at those who choose to tour behind the band for multiple shows (and for multiple years) especially focused on their desire to be as close to the front of the GA line so as to afford the chance to be as close to the stage rail as possible. Regardless of your position on the matter every situation on the ground at every show can and will be different. Could one or two bad apples ruin it for the bunch? Naturally. As I noted with a good friend earlier: it's difficult to achieve a good reputation but it's easy to achieve a bad reputation. Judging from afar is often clouded by prejudice.
Having said that I understand, in my humble opinion, why the GA line exists in the matter that it does tour in and tour out. Some have suggested, on multiple occasions, that the band ought to revert to a random GA line: for example come 8am morning of show there are 150 concertgoers already in the GA line and numbered wristbands are handed out to them and anyone else who lines up after them and at 12:00pm venue security will hold a draw to pick out a number that forms the start of the line - if number 76 is drawn that number becomes the front of the line and is followed by 77, 78, and 79 etc until all numbers are exhausted and then number 1 joins the back of the line. Bruce Springsteen has adopted this method and many would like to see this band do the same.
The current GA model is favoured by the band because the GA crowd has proven itself capable of monitoring and policing itself as numerous occasions. As Ed has often asked from the mic, "police yourselves." I don't pretend to be a mind reader but I think it's safe to say for the majority of us serious collectors and dedicated touring ans seeing the band up close and personal is a highly prized event. So much so some can be overwhelmed by their own passion and fandom...with a small minority even taking things to an extreme. I would just say as follows: the band has a security list that is monitored for threats, I don't believe this is confidential information to state publicly, but I think we might take things for granted that perhaps the band still can't.
Attending a concert of the band's involves walking through a metal detector but beyond that if someone were to cause an extremely uncomfortable situation upfront, even an unprovoked verbal assault, at the band I wouldn't think the band would immediately instruct their security to kick said person out. Ed has observed and evaluated a lot from the mic, and he's quickly able to determine the difference between an asshole and a drunk. The GA crowd is an established and proven community, so much so that crew and band personnel have formed friendships with many of them...a chance meeting years ago now leads to meeting up at the GA floor to share photos of their kids and home improvements. You might not agree with the breakdown of informal conduct that occurs in lining up but the friendships and camaraderie that have developed is endorsed by the band.
There exists the opportunity for anyone and everyone to participate. The GA crowd at the front of the lines are often the scapegoats and that's easy to do behind a keyboard here or on the Facebook. I will say what I've noticed this leg, in 2025, that I didn't notice so much while touring behind the band in 2005, for example, is the prevalence of the Me vs We mentality. This I think is the bigger take away here.
I'll cite some examples.
At the recent Hollywood shows the GA and merch lines were subject to some unique circumstances. A casino after all is happy to host concerts at their venue onsite but generally speaking don't care much for obsessed fans roaming and establishing hundreds-long lines on the premises that impact otherwise harmonious operations. I'll get right to the gist of it: a merch line was established at a specific casino security-sanctioned zone during the early hours of the first Hollywood show and a crowd of 50-75 had lined up peacefully and happily to wait it out from very early morning. A general email had gone out advising of no lineups prior to a certain time for merch, and I'm not here to debate this position: the band's merch manager's job is to conduct a safe and secure sale on the ground. This can only be accomplished when fans line up in an orderly fashion. Said merch manager only recognizes one line. Roughly 15 minutes prior to the official start time for the merch line an older woman and her husband arrives on site, walked up and across from the established line to create their own alternate line. This couple's reasoning: ''I don't know what all you people are here for but the email said no line prior to X and I'm here at X and thus I'm at the front of the line." Again, my opinion or interpretation as compared to your opinion and interpretation of her behaviour and logic aside: the band's merch manager was advised of the situation and his thought process is very simple - in this situation he had no intention or arguing with anyone but he was simply going to deny this woman and her husband service. No shouting or fighting or cursing involved. Take it or leave it and it was on her...she ultimately left her alternate front of the line and joined the proper line at her spot.
Separately the Hollywood merch line was in a specific zone of the casino that was next to an area closed off to those not staying at the hotel property. This closed off zone was made up of some hallways which lead to the ballroom where the merch sale was to occur. Some of our fellow fans who happened to be staying at the hotel property, and I'd say it was roughly 5-10 of them, decided since they had access to circumvent security and walk up right to the ballroom entrance they'd now form the basis for what would become the merch line. Worth noting the email mentioning the approved location for the merch line did not specify this: this small group of people splintered off to do what was best for them and ignored the line which they knew had formed elsewhere. To quote one of these people "I paid a lot of money to stay here and I am entitled to line up where I want." LIke with the older couple mentioned prior the merch line crowd attempted to reason with these people, to everyone's benefit so casino security wouldn't get fed up with any arguments and toss everyone out, but to no avail. Once again the band's merch manager was advised and he proceeded to advise casino security who promptly removed this alternate ballroom line.
I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.
But these examples and others...it's all at the heart of it a Me vs We mentality. And these examples of the Me vs We mentality are the opposite of what I've seen occur at the GA lines by those who are attacked and bashed and mocked and ridiculed for choosing to line up very early. We don't like the drunk Even Bro forcing his way up front at the perfectly timed moment for a chance at the tambo pushing anyone and everyone aside including those who have earned their spot. We bash those who have earned their spot while someone else could have done so.
Forest for the trees. That's all I want to say.
The Hollywood examples are part of whats actually wrong though. The "band" will announce no pre-line ups. So those that don't know any better, will read that and think it actually means no pre lines. They'll go about their business, hangout in the casino or whatever, then when the time comes walk up to the merch line only to be told to go to the back because they weren't waiting in the non-existent pre-line.
I understand your point that they need to do something like that to maintain order. But then make that information available to everyone. Don't post one thing, then punish those who followed the rules.
For liability and security reasons and to keep fans away from private property during off hours lines are discouraged. The band clearly believes it’s up to the fans to police themselves and the vast majority of fans, whether at the GA or merch lines, have been able to do so. A vast majority of fans, whether arriving for GA or merch, will naturally seek out and congregate with the fans who showed up prior and thus contribute to the growing lines. This successfully maintained protocol has always ensured order and transition (from off onto venue property) with minimal issues. It’s the handful who ignore this community approach that always seek to benefit themselves.
I personally cannot attest to anything, either way. My last real show was 2018, GA, line was fine but I did not camp and did not attempt to get close to rail. Everyone here has been nice to me on the forum for the most part. I will be in GA Friday, not camping as I am flying in. I have appreciated tips from @GlowGirl@Chrrie and @gotthebottle that I have either received via DM or generally through the forum. I have no doubt my experience Friday will be amazing either way because of the people I will be with @Shaindli1 and I will meet you for the first time @GlowGirl Can’t wait to see my all time favorite band! 💗🤘
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But what if you have a group of 40 or so people in contact. Can they have memberships for them and family members? Over-buy and they have all sorts of inventory to trade amongst themselves.
gotta have the stomach for it… we all want them assp
wait
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If you line up first, you go in first. If you want to be closer, line up earlier. No one owes anyone else anything.
Welcome to a basic human life.
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Temple of the Dog - 2016 Upper Darby
Weird fans indeed.
good for them… I like lil luxury, to each their own
I understand your point that they need to do something like that to maintain order. But then make that information available to everyone. Don't post one thing, then punish those who followed the rules.
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2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
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2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
And when it is the same people up front night after night, they are Me in the "Me vs. We" mentality. Doesn't make anyone a bad person, but maybe a little selfish. You open yourself up to comments when 99.5% of the audience can show up to the venue at 6:30pm and enjoy the show, but you can't without being front row.
And the bullshit has been going on for decades.
And they can tell me all day long how they are "angels"
Fact is I wasn't born yesterday.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
That is exactly what is happening, but there is not much to be done about it if people are willing to share TM logins.
I've referred to them as angels for 20 years
Keep your $25
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I thank you
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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Can’t wait to see my all time favorite band! 💗🤘