F2F is OPEN

Sugarloafer04 · January 14

did anyone see the FB post where someone sent a link to tickets to another member but that person was unsuccessful and the EXACT tickets then popped up as PJ Premium moments later. Leading them to speculate TM bought them back and posted as premium. Screenshots were not included but if that is true that is WILD and 10C should absolutely get involved if that is in fact happening.

steven87 · January 14

Sugarloafer04 said:

did anyone see the FB post where someone sent a link to tickets to another member but that person was unsuccessful and the EXACT tickets then popped up as PJ Premium moments later. Leading them to speculate TM bought them back and posted as premium. Screenshots were not included but if that is true that is WILD and 10C should absolutely get involved if that is in fact happening.

Yes I saw it. It’s concerning for sure, but I’m skeptical unless/until they post screenshots of the same.

Chrrie · January 14

Sugarloafer04 said:

did anyone see the FB post where someone sent a link to tickets to another member but that person was unsuccessful and the EXACT tickets then popped up as PJ Premium moments later. Leading them to speculate TM bought them back and posted as premium. Screenshots were not included but if that is true that is WILD and 10C should absolutely get involved if that is in fact happening.

Extremely skeptical, the poster wouldn’t confirm that they showed up on TM let alone as PJ premium, couldn’t provide screenshots of his original tickets and claimed they weren’t listed anymore which if they were $800 premium tickets in section 119 (if I recall correctly) they wouldn’t have sold that quickly. They also said when the person opened the link the purchase option was for $800 not the original face value.

A lot of people who aren’t used to buying f2f tickets and the necessity to check out quickly are reporting issues where they were bought so fast it must be bots, it must be something out of their control. The amount of successful link purchases among people here is counter to that being the case including with GA tickets. Open to additional feedback on this though from people unsuccessful with links.

EH14457 · January 14

There was a post much earlier in this thread claiming the same thing. I’m also extremely skeptical. Until somebody posts a receipt for ~$200 tickets and then a screenshot of those same exact seats listed on TM as PJ Premium, it’s just BS. There’s probably no ill intent from the posters, just misunderstanding or human error. But TM has lots of less obvious ways to rip off consumers and manipulate the market. They wouldn’t do anything that stupid and obvious.

PrezIntense · January 14

EH14457 said:

There was a post much earlier in this thread claiming the same thing. I’m also extremely skeptical. Until somebody posts a receipt for ~$200 tickets and then a screenshot of those same exact seats listed on TM as PJ Premium, it’s just BS. There’s probably no ill intent from the posters, just misunderstanding or human error. But TM has lots of less obvious ways to rip off consumers and manipulate the market. They wouldn’t do anything that stupid and obvious.

^^ this. It's financially a better move for TM to let the fan eat the ticket than to take on the additional risk that they can turn it.

Reissy · January 14

Chrrie said:

Sugarloafer04 said:

did anyone see the FB post where someone sent a link to tickets to another member but that person was unsuccessful and the EXACT tickets then popped up as PJ Premium moments later. Leading them to speculate TM bought them back and posted as premium. Screenshots were not included but if that is true that is WILD and 10C should absolutely get involved if that is in fact happening.

Extremely skeptical, the poster wouldn’t confirm that they showed up on TM let alone as PJ premium, couldn’t provide screenshots of his original tickets and claimed they weren’t listed anymore which if they were $800 premium tickets in section 119 (if I recall correctly) they wouldn’t have sold that quickly. They also said when the person opened the link the purchase option was for $800 not the original face value.

A lot of people who aren’t used to buying f2f tickets and the necessity to check out quickly are reporting issues where they were bought so fast it must be bots, it must be something out of their control. The amount of successful link purchases among people here is counter to that being the case including with GA tickets. Open to additional feedback on this though from people unsuccessful with links.

This 100%. A lot of people who aren't spending time on the forum are much less privy to the ins and outs of F2F. Frankly, it is a confusing process if you're not studying up on what works and what doesn't (when to refresh, when not to, the seller being prepared to copy and send the link quickly, the buyer knowing the checkout page like the back of their hand, and so on).

I've seen people on the FB pages celebrating face value "wins" on $600 tix because they're listed as Face Value Exchange instead of PJ Premium. It's confusing, and it's easier to blame the bots and point the finger at TM. I'd also argue those who spend a lot of time posting on Facebook groups are particularly quick to wipe their hands of any mistake and jump to conspiracy - but maybe that's a personal gripe.

SHZA · January 14

PrezIntense said:

EH14457 said:

There was a post much earlier in this thread claiming the same thing. I’m also extremely skeptical. Until somebody posts a receipt for ~$200 tickets and then a screenshot of those same exact seats listed on TM as PJ Premium, it’s just BS. There’s probably no ill intent from the posters, just misunderstanding or human error. But TM has lots of less obvious ways to rip off consumers and manipulate the market. They wouldn’t do anything that stupid and obvious.

^^ this. It's financially a better move for TM to let the fan eat the ticket than to take on the additional risk that they can turn it.

The fact that bots exist shows that it's not a bad financial move. I'm sure TM wouldn't decline to snatch up $200 tickets that they could then reprice as $800 premiums (or $700, etc) due to risk, but I definitely don't think that's actually happening until we see the proof.

Chrrie · January 14

Reissy said:

Chrrie said:

Sugarloafer04 said:

did anyone see the FB post where someone sent a link to tickets to another member but that person was unsuccessful and the EXACT tickets then popped up as PJ Premium moments later. Leading them to speculate TM bought them back and posted as premium. Screenshots were not included but if that is true that is WILD and 10C should absolutely get involved if that is in fact happening.

Extremely skeptical, the poster wouldn’t confirm that they showed up on TM let alone as PJ premium, couldn’t provide screenshots of his original tickets and claimed they weren’t listed anymore which if they were $800 premium tickets in section 119 (if I recall correctly) they wouldn’t have sold that quickly. They also said when the person opened the link the purchase option was for $800 not the original face value.

A lot of people who aren’t used to buying f2f tickets and the necessity to check out quickly are reporting issues where they were bought so fast it must be bots, it must be something out of their control. The amount of successful link purchases among people here is counter to that being the case including with GA tickets. Open to additional feedback on this though from people unsuccessful with links.

This 100%. A lot of people who aren't spending time on the forum are much less privy to the ins and outs of F2F. Frankly, it is a confusing process if you're not studying up on what works and what doesn't (when to refresh, when not to, the seller being prepared to copy and send the link quickly, the buyer knowing the checkout page like the back of their hand, and so on).

I've seen people on the FB pages celebrating face value "wins" on $600 tix because they're listed as Face Value Exchange instead of PJ Premium. It's confusing, and it's easier to blame the bots and point the finger at TM. I'd also argue those who spend a lot of time posting on Facebook groups are particularly quick to wipe their hands of any mistake and jump to conspiracy - but maybe that's a personal gripe.

Yep. I do have sympathy because I didn’t know how it worked at first either, and it is difficult and a very imperfect system but it’s what we got and the onus right now is on the fans to figure out how to be successful in this environment. The people here are generally used to it and know what to do whereas FB has way more first time buyers and I guess less tech savvy people. And yeah the post devolved into conspiracy theory like, of course TM does this and they have since day one, PJ endorses it, etc, which I have less patience for but very open to helping those who want it. Most there and on the PJ subreddit don’t want it though.

I lean toward tossing the f2f system after this tour and let the open market set the price. Do what DMB does and monitor the sale of fan club originated tickets and actually take action by suspending accounts and will calling when sales occur over face value. Despite how it seems it is possible to differentiate and track fan club tickets even now with these mobile ones. It does rely on self-policing though and reporting above face sales. Either way we’re beyond the point of this process creating more issues than it’s solving.

danofun · January 14

SHZA said:

PrezIntense said:

EH14457 said:

There was a post much earlier in this thread claiming the same thing. I’m also extremely skeptical. Until somebody posts a receipt for ~$200 tickets and then a screenshot of those same exact seats listed on TM as PJ Premium, it’s just BS. There’s probably no ill intent from the posters, just misunderstanding or human error. But TM has lots of less obvious ways to rip off consumers and manipulate the market. They wouldn’t do anything that stupid and obvious.

^^ this. It's financially a better move for TM to let the fan eat the ticket than to take on the additional risk that they can turn it.

The fact that bots exist shows that it's not a bad financial move. I'm sure TM wouldn't decline to snatch up $200 tickets that they could then reprice as $800 premiums (or $700, etc) due to risk, but I definitely don't think that's actually happening until we see the proof.

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Sugarloafer04 · January 14

I don't think it's happening either as anything coming from FB should be taken with a LARGE grain of salt. I just found it interesting and annoying

PrezIntense · January 14

SHZA said:

PrezIntense said:

EH14457 said:

There was a post much earlier in this thread claiming the same thing. I’m also extremely skeptical. Until somebody posts a receipt for ~$200 tickets and then a screenshot of those same exact seats listed on TM as PJ Premium, it’s just BS. There’s probably no ill intent from the posters, just misunderstanding or human error. But TM has lots of less obvious ways to rip off consumers and manipulate the market. They wouldn’t do anything that stupid and obvious.

^^ this. It's financially a better move for TM to let the fan eat the ticket than to take on the additional risk that they can turn it.

The fact that bots exist shows that it's not a bad financial move. I'm sure TM wouldn't decline to snatch up $200 tickets that they could then reprice as $800 premiums (or $700, etc) due to risk, but I definitely don't think that's actually happening until we see the proof.

I would think TM's algorithm for purchasing and re-purchasing (if it exists) would be sophisticated enough to take several things into consideration: venue, demand, seat location, days til event, etc. So sure...if a GA seat comes up then buy it, but 200 level Raleigh N2? Probably not.

Regardless, I think they're smart enough to not mess with that level of direct, provable, manipulation -- it's not worth it.

RatherStarved · January 14

With all the tickets they’re probably holding back it wouldn’t make sense for them to repurchase anything.

Chrrie · January 14

If they did then no other link sales would have been successful right? Someone dropped great side stage Atlanta couple days back via link on FB and an actual person got them.

PJNB · January 14

There has been zero proof of TM purchasing tickets and relisting them.

Proof is easy enough to produce and yet no one has shared any who are claiming this is happening.

danofun · January 14

PJNB said:

There has been zero proof of TM purchasing tickets and relisting them.

Proof is easy enough to produce and yet no one has shared any who are claiming this is happening.

Exactly. Anger is fueling the rants, not facts.

deb1211 · January 14

I saw that post but was also skeptical. I've had several link drops work

jwc6160 · January 14

has anyone had issues listing tickets? I'm trying to list N1 for Nashville and it lets me get all the way through the process but at the end, the "list tickets" button is grayed out and I can't click it?

SHZA · January 14

jwc6160 said:

has anyone had issues listing tickets? I'm trying to list N1 for Nashville and it lets me get all the way through the process but at the end, the "list tickets" button is grayed out and I can't click it?

Might need to add bank account for payment. If it works for you, please post the link here!

jwc6160 · January 14

SHZA said:

jwc6160 said:

has anyone had issues listing tickets? I'm trying to list N1 for Nashville and it lets me get all the way through the process but at the end, the "list tickets" button is grayed out and I can't click it?

Might need to add bank account for payment. If it works for you, please post the link here!

Think I figured it out. Debit card on file to be paid with expires in april and the show is in may so it won't accept it.

craigraether · January 14

RatherStarved said:

With all the tickets they’re probably holding back it wouldn’t make sense for them to repurchase anything.

But making sure the tickets that are sold get to Stub hub with a kickback is a double win. They get some $$ to allow first dibs on facevalue resale, and keep face value tickets out of hands of fans who will be forced to wait or buy premium.. Premiums are usually less than SH tickets. - totally BS

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