F2F is OPEN

EH14457 · January 16

given2flym said:

Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.

That sucks, sorry. Mind saying what seats they are? Curious to see if they end up for sale somewhere.

Chrrie · January 16

ally12 said:

given2flym said:

Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.

It’s the API bot, it’s faster than us

The link is supposed to allow purchase before the bots even can

given2flym · January 16

EH14457 said:

given2flym said:

Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.

That sucks, sorry. Mind saying what seats they are? Curious to see if they end up for sale somewhere.

Sec 101 Row R seats 11-12. Not up anywhere yet so far as I can tell.

EH14457 · January 16

given2flym said:

EH14457 said:

given2flym said:

Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.

That sucks, sorry. Mind saying what seats they are? Curious to see if they end up for sale somewhere.

Sec 101 Row R seats 11-12. Not up anywhere yet so far as I can tell.

Roughly how often were you refreshing?

given2flym · January 16

EH14457 said:

given2flym said:

EH14457 said:

given2flym said:

Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.

That sucks, sorry. Mind saying what seats they are? Curious to see if they end up for sale somewhere.

Sec 101 Row R seats 11-12. Not up anywhere yet so far as I can tell.

Roughly how often were you refreshing?

We were refreshing at the same time on our own accounts. And freshing as soon as it loaded with the same “not available yet message”. So maximum every 1 to 3 seconds. And staggered as much as 2 people refreshing would be. Pretty constantly.

Seller never received a “listed” or “sold” email but in the account it says they have a “pending offer”

KJ228171 · January 16

given2flym said:

Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.

Sorry mate. Why the refresh? It should take you straight to the listing. Even with a direct link the current success rate isn’t great. Anecdotical from the forum I would say maybe 15% percent and that may be generous.

Still if anyone wants to roll the dice I’m continually looking for Raleigh N1. Again I’m sure something will materialize in the last couple of weeks before the shows but the OCD keeps me looking.

Chrrie · January 16

KJ228171 said:

given2flym said:

Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.

Sorry mate. Why the refresh? It should take you straight to the listing. Even with a direct link the current success rate isn’t great. Anecdotical from the forum I would say maybe 15% percent and that may be generous.

Still if anyone wants to roll the dice I’m continually looking for Raleigh N1. Again I’m sure something will materialize in the last couple of weeks before the shows but the OCD keeps me looking.

Because when you load the link before the tickets “go live” it gives you the message that the tickets aren’t available yet and try again soon. If you load the link and it automatically allows you to purchase them you’re bordering on it already being too late, especially if the link was shared with multiple people

aisleseats · January 16

KJ228171 said:

given2flym said:

Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.

Sorry mate. Why the refresh? It should take you straight to the listing. Even with a direct link the current success rate isn’t great. Anecdotical from the forum I would say maybe 15% percent and that may be generous.

Still if anyone wants to roll the dice I’m continually looking for Raleigh N1. Again I’m sure something will materialize in the last couple of weeks before the shows but the OCD keeps me looking.

I'm 3 for 4 on the links I've dropped. And the one that got away, the buyer admitted they took a little too long entering their info.

deb1211 · January 16

I've had 2 successful pm direct links for buying and 1out of 2 successfull for selling privately with link

I also had a success buying with a link posted on facebook that I must have just caught random by some miracle

SHZA · January 16

given2flym said:

EH14457 said:

given2flym said:

EH14457 said:

given2flym said:

Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.

That sucks, sorry. Mind saying what seats they are? Curious to see if they end up for sale somewhere.

Sec 101 Row R seats 11-12. Not up anywhere yet so far as I can tell.

Roughly how often were you refreshing?

We were refreshing at the same time on our own accounts. And freshing as soon as it loaded with the same “not available yet message”. So maximum every 1 to 3 seconds. And staggered as much as 2 people refreshing would be. Pretty constantly.

Seller never received a “listed” or “sold” email but in the account it says they have a “pending offer”

I had it happen once last year that the tickets never became available with the link. They were my own tickets and I was basically experimenting to see the link timing vs when it first showed up on the page. Tickets weren't anything great. I did 3 trial runs, twice it worked as it was supposed to but the third time the tickets never became available on the link page before they showed up on the site. Probably just a glitch

tylermoore · January 16

ISO a single for 5/6 Nashville

Chrrie · January 16

This is gonna sound a little conspiracy-theory but personally for me this is just more evidence that yes there are bots running and they are using an API to purchase them.

The TM Partner API has an endpoint that allows you to reserve tickets, and a separate endpoint that allows you to commit the cart, or complete the purchase. I went down a rabbit hole on ticket scalping earlier this year when it first became apparent that f2f was ruined by these things. There are a few different news outlets that have done reports on this topic because of how much notoriety TM/scalpers got when Taylor Swift tickets went on sale. A lot of times, there are just savvy programmers who are buying tickets in bulk and selling them to the online brokers. One of the videos showed screenshots of custom software that one such programmer wrote, where it has the capability of reserving tickets so that a person (or an algorithm) can decide if they’re worth the investment to buy. So it essentially queues them up in a list and you can pick and choose which ones to complete the purchase on.

The person who listed those Pitt tickets sent a screenshot of how their account said they had a “Pending offer” for about 10 minutes before they got the sold email and “Pending offer” changed to “sold”. Maybe pending offer is what it says when the cart is reserved but hasn’t been submitted yet. I would love to know if another seller who sends a link that an actual fan buys through the website also says pending offer for a period of time, or if it just goes straight to sold.

Now, the situation with links being subject to this is contingent on it “glitching out” and the tickets being slow to load, or show up, or whatever the reason is that the link didn’t give the usual advantage. Which we know can happen, and I guess it’s just bad luck when it does whether that’s 10% of the time, or 30%, or who knows.

I wouldn’t be surprised if VividSeats, or Stubhub, TickPick etc, aren’t official partners of TM to use the API. Maybe they are, TM has zero incentive to say. But they’ve got over 90 companies who are according to their website. All it takes is one person who works in IT for one of those places to use their sanctioned API key, or sell the use of it, to scalp tickets. Or, it’s not rocket science to hack an API, it’s how these sites are able to send links to tickets in a browser.

So going forward I definitely have more empathy for people who say their link didn't pan out.

jagerweis · January 16

Nashville 2. Sec 120, row N. Go get them…

https://my.ticketmaster.com/ds/vQ17f4jyvC/event/1B006184A3813F1D

julieooliern · January 16

Chrrie said:

This is gonna sound a little conspiracy-theory but personally for me this is just more evidence that yes there are bots running and they are using an API to purchase them.

The TM Partner API has an endpoint that allows you to reserve tickets, and a separate endpoint that allows you to commit the cart, or complete the purchase. I went down a rabbit hole on ticket scalping earlier this year when it first became apparent that f2f was ruined by these things. There are a few different news outlets that have done reports on this topic because of how much notoriety TM/scalpers got when Taylor Swift tickets went on sale. A lot of times, there are just savvy programmers who are buying tickets in bulk and selling them to the online brokers. One of the videos showed screenshots of custom software that one such programmer wrote, where it has the capability of reserving tickets so that a person (or an algorithm) can decide if they’re worth the investment to buy. So it essentially queues them up in a list and you can pick and choose which ones to complete the purchase on.

The person who listed those Pitt tickets sent a screenshot of how their account said they had a “Pending offer” for about 10 minutes before they got the sold email and “Pending offer” changed to “sold”. Maybe pending offer is what it says when the cart is reserved but hasn’t been submitted yet. I would love to know if another seller who sends a link that an actual fan buys through the website also says pending offer for a period of time, or if it just goes straight to sold.

Now, the situation with links being subject to this is contingent on it “glitching out” and the tickets being slow to load, or show up, or whatever the reason is that the link didn’t give the usual advantage. Which we know can happen, and I guess it’s just bad luck when it does whether that’s 10% of the time, or 30%, or who knows.

I wouldn’t be surprised if VividSeats, or Stubhub, TickPick etc, aren’t official partners of TM to use the API. Maybe they are, TM has zero incentive to say. But they’ve got over 90 companies who are according to their website. All it takes is one person who works in IT for one of those places to use their sanctioned API key, or sell the use of it, to scalp tickets. Or, it’s not rocket science to hack an API, it’s how these sites are able to send links to tickets in a browser.
So going forward I definitely have more empathy for people who say their link didn't pan out.

When I sold tix earlier in F2F I sent a link to the group and the tickets were gone within 3 minutes and showed on my end as sold within that time, if that helps answer your question at all 🤷‍♀️

edocon · January 16

Is there any chance that TM "buys" F2F tickets its algorithms predict can be flipped later at a mark-up (as PJ Premium) and so some of these listings don't actually go F2F "live" at the original face value?

Reissy · January 16

jagerweis said:

Nashville 2. Sec 120, row N. Go get them…

https://my.ticketmaster.com/ds/vQ17f4jyvC/event/1B006184A3813F1D

Carted these. Clicked through “I Agree” got stuck in loading page to the next screen. They were gone after I tried to open the link a second time.

PJNB · January 16

edocon said:

Is there any chance that TM "buys" F2F tickets its algorithms predict can be flipped later at a mark-up (as PJ Premium) and so some of these listings don't actually go F2F "live" at the original face value?

There has not been one ticket with proof that shows this is happening. TM is however benefiting from bots scooping up face value tickets and keeping their precious premium tickets as the only ones available. Brokers are controlling the secondary market as well not letting the causal flipper have any say in the market.

ally12 · January 16

Chrrie said:

This is gonna sound a little conspiracy-theory but personally for me this is just more evidence that yes there are bots running and they are using an API to purchase them.

The TM Partner API has an endpoint that allows you to reserve tickets, and a separate endpoint that allows you to commit the cart, or complete the purchase. I went down a rabbit hole on ticket scalping earlier this year when it first became apparent that f2f was ruined by these things. There are a few different news outlets that have done reports on this topic because of how much notoriety TM/scalpers got when Taylor Swift tickets went on sale. A lot of times, there are just savvy programmers who are buying tickets in bulk and selling them to the online brokers. One of the videos showed screenshots of custom software that one such programmer wrote, where it has the capability of reserving tickets so that a person (or an algorithm) can decide if they’re worth the investment to buy. So it essentially queues them up in a list and you can pick and choose which ones to complete the purchase on.

The person who listed those Pitt tickets sent a screenshot of how their account said they had a “Pending offer” for about 10 minutes before they got the sold email and “Pending offer” changed to “sold”. Maybe pending offer is what it says when the cart is reserved but hasn’t been submitted yet. I would love to know if another seller who sends a link that an actual fan buys through the website also says pending offer for a period of time, or if it just goes straight to sold.

Now, the situation with links being subject to this is contingent on it “glitching out” and the tickets being slow to load, or show up, or whatever the reason is that the link didn’t give the usual advantage. Which we know can happen, and I guess it’s just bad luck when it does whether that’s 10% of the time, or 30%, or who knows.

I wouldn’t be surprised if VividSeats, or Stubhub, TickPick etc, aren’t official partners of TM to use the API. Maybe they are, TM has zero incentive to say. But they’ve got over 90 companies who are according to their website. All it takes is one person who works in IT for one of those places to use their sanctioned API key, or sell the use of it, to scalp tickets. Or, it’s not rocket science to hack an API, it’s how these sites are able to send links to tickets in a browser.
So going forward I definitely have more empathy for people who say their link didn't pan out.

This is why 10c tickets should have their own marketplace that is only accessed by a code, similar to the codes that can be found in our accounts for the bootlegs .

Chrrie · January 16

jagerweis said:

Nashville 2. Sec 120, row N. Go get them…

https://my.ticketmaster.com/ds/vQ17f4jyvC/event/1B006184A3813F1D

I tried this link because I am curious. Got the usual these aren’t available yet but they will be soon. Refreshed. The purchase option came up, but wouldn’t load the checkout screen. Went to the app and they were there, able to cart in the app.

Reissy · January 16

Chrrie said:

jagerweis said:

Nashville 2. Sec 120, row N. Go get them…

https://my.ticketmaster.com/ds/vQ17f4jyvC/event/1B006184A3813F1D

I tried this link because I am curious. Got the usual these aren’t available yet but they will be soon. Refreshed. The purchase option came up, but wouldn’t load the checkout screen. Went to the app and they were there, able to cart in the app.

I contemplated pivoting to the app. Darn. Can never be certain which F2F tool you need to pull out of your belt from one drop to another.

F2F is OPEN

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