The Official 2025 Tour Rumor Thread

Go Animal · January 6

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PrezIntense · January 6

Douglas12373 said:

No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand

I think that's part of it too...but do you look at that Jazz Fest lineup as what's "in"?

SVRDhand13 · January 6

Douglas12373 said:

No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand

I find several new artists I like yearly. My wife is into pop and hip hop. I feel like I am the older crowd that should still be able to find one decent festival somewhere in the country.

ComeToTX · January 6

Douglas12373 said:

No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand

That’s definitely a part of it. None of those are new though.

pjl44 · January 6

Douglas12373 said:

No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand

A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.

100 Pacer · January 6

demetrios said:

100 Pacer said:

demetrios said:

Go Animal said:

pjl44 said:

Go Animal said:

(yes, I'm biased towards Hartford lol, and no I have nothing to base it on)

Or....a common just-outside-the-BC-radius stop....

Don't tempt ME with a good time, I fuckin' love Maine. Would love to get them in Portland (pretty sure Jeff would JUMP at this lol)

PJ Maine show please!

Which shows are you doing?

Zero, at the moment.

How come? I thought you had mentioned doing Pittsburgh?

Douglas12373 · January 6

pjl44 said:

Douglas12373 said:

No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand

A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.

lol I see that too

kaw753 · January 6

pjl44 said:

Douglas12373 said:

No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand

A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.

I am guessing there is a % of the population who feels that way about Pearl Jam (except 35 years). I had a handyman putting up some stuff in my office who was shocked they were still together.

pjl44 · January 6

kaw753 said:

pjl44 said:

Douglas12373 said:

No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand

A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.

I am guessing there is a % of the population who feels that way about Pearl Jam (except 35 years). I had a handyman putting up some stuff in my office who was shocked they were still together.

Oh for sure. My only point was that this isn't a case of "old fogey hate festival of garbage music the kids listen to."

kaw753 · January 7

pjl44 said:

kaw753 said:

pjl44 said:

Douglas12373 said:

No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand

A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.

I am guessing there is a % of the population who feels that way about Pearl Jam (except 35 years). I had a handyman putting up some stuff in my office who was shocked they were still together.

Oh for sure. My only point was that this isn't a case of "old fogey hate festival of garbage music the kids listen to."

Default festival line-up for the last 4 years: The Killers, Foo Fighters, a rapper with Lil in his name that I have never heard of.

Go Animal · January 7

kaw753 said:

pjl44 said:

kaw753 said:

pjl44 said:

Douglas12373 said:

No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand

A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.

I am guessing there is a % of the population who feels that way about Pearl Jam (except 35 years). I had a handyman putting up some stuff in my office who was shocked they were still together.

Oh for sure. My only point was that this isn't a case of "old fogey hate festival of garbage music the kids listen to."

Default festival line-up for the last 4 years: The Killers, Foo Fighters, a rapper with Lil in his name that I have never heard of.

Hey man, don't be knockin' Lil Poops!

DL236795 · January 7

kaw753 said:

pjl44 said:

kaw753 said:

pjl44 said:

Douglas12373 said:

No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand

A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.

I am guessing there is a % of the population who feels that way about Pearl Jam (except 35 years). I had a handyman putting up some stuff in my office who was shocked they were still together.

Oh for sure. My only point was that this isn't a case of "old fogey hate festival of garbage music the kids listen to."

Default festival line-up for the last 4 years: The Killers, Foo Fighters, a rapper with Lil in his name that I have never heard of.

Bloody hilarious!!! Love it!

stones · January 7

I think part of the problem is the slow death of rock music in the mainstream. There are very few successful new rock acts over the past 10 years or so… Most bands that qualify as rock headliners for festivals now are “legacy acts” - and I’m not just talking about PJ, Metallica, Radiohead or RHCP who’ve been around for 30+ years, I would also include the likes of Foo Fighters, Blink-182, The Killers, Jack White and Linkin Park in that…

pdalowsky · January 7

drfox said:

YourDirtisMyfood said:

DMB, Fall Out Boy and Luke Combs are your headliners.

Festival headliners get worse every year. Same thing happening over here in the U.K. - the line up at Reading for example is absolutely terrible compared to the 2000s which were fantastic. Reading used to be the best festival in the world in its prime. Strangely you have to go to the smaller festivals like Victorious to get a decent line-up.

I think we are getting old LOL. I looked at the reading line up and felt like my dad when i was growing up. Its absolute bollocks

KJ228171 · January 7

pdalowsky said:

drfox said:

YourDirtisMyfood said:

DMB, Fall Out Boy and Luke Combs are your headliners.

Festival headliners get worse every year. Same thing happening over here in the U.K. - the line up at Reading for example is absolutely terrible compared to the 2000s which were fantastic. Reading used to be the best festival in the world in its prime. Strangely you have to go to the smaller festivals like Victorious to get a decent line-up.

I think we are getting old LOL. I looked at the reading line up and felt like my dad when i was growing up. Its absolute bollocks

Well that's the thing. How would it have looked 30 years ago seeing large swaths of middle age folks at a Lollapalooza? Outside of the occasionally night or Jazzfest people my age aren't the target demo for these festivals.

Personally I'm not a fan of how these things have morphed over the years. We use to have a main stage and a side staff. Then they started having two main stages which was fine because the mains weren't concurrent. There are still a few still like this but a lot of the biggest ones have three, four, of five stages. You are always forced to pick and choose and then fight the crowds. Now I'm going to brave the cold and yell at clouds.

drfox · January 7

pdalowsky said:

drfox said:

YourDirtisMyfood said:

DMB, Fall Out Boy and Luke Combs are your headliners.

Festival headliners get worse every year. Same thing happening over here in the U.K. - the line up at Reading for example is absolutely terrible compared to the 2000s which were fantastic. Reading used to be the best festival in the world in its prime. Strangely you have to go to the smaller festivals like Victorious to get a decent line-up.

I think we are getting old LOL. I looked at the reading line up and felt like my dad when i was growing up. Its absolute bollocks

It’s a much bigger difference now. I mean the bands in our era like PJ, Nirvana, GNR, QOTSA etc aren’t massively different style wise to bands in the 70s like the Who, Led Zeppelin etc. But compare our bands to the current Reading headliners like Chappell Roan, Travis Scott etc. completely different genres

PrezIntense · January 7

Probably ten years ago or so I remember sitting around with some of my family and we were asking our nieces and nephews (early teens at the time) who was "their voice" -- the musician or act that they felt spoke for their generation. And the answers were interesting because they kept saying things like Green Day, RHCP, etc and I had to keep telling them in my grumpy uncle voice that nope those were mine.

Part of it is the destruction of the music industry -- while it has opened doors for people who otherwise would not have ever had a chance, it has also eliminated that support system for talented acts. There really was something magical about a young and talented group getting a record deal with a major label, allowing them the room to focus solely on music for the next several months as they toured and recorded. Yes, there were some nefarious components of this model as well -- with the label attempting to "mold" that next record into something profitable for them. Bands like PJ were able to largely reject that noise but others weren't as good at it or didn't have the leverage.

All that to say, it's no surprise we don't see a lot of 10-15 year old acts still at the top of their game. ANY business staying around longer than ten years is a big win, but the music industry is especially near-sighted in its current form. What's the next shiny thing?

pjl44 · January 7

I think you don't have overnight rock band success stories because there are so many different avenues for discovering new rock music now. It's not like the old days when we were all listening to FM rock stations and hearing basically the same stuff. It's a slower build now. As a result you have bands like Ghost and Goose playing arenas. King Gizzard is getting close. Just to name a couple.

pdalowsky · January 7

drfox said:

pdalowsky said:

drfox said:

YourDirtisMyfood said:

DMB, Fall Out Boy and Luke Combs are your headliners.

Festival headliners get worse every year. Same thing happening over here in the U.K. - the line up at Reading for example is absolutely terrible compared to the 2000s which were fantastic. Reading used to be the best festival in the world in its prime. Strangely you have to go to the smaller festivals like Victorious to get a decent line-up.

I think we are getting old LOL. I looked at the reading line up and felt like my dad when i was growing up. Its absolute bollocks

It’s a much bigger difference now. I mean the bands in our era like PJ, Nirvana, GNR, QOTSA etc aren’t massively different style wise to bands in the 70s like the Who, Led Zeppelin etc. But compare our bands to the current Reading headliners like Chappell Roan, Travis Scott etc. completely different genres

I get that too, but my old man was a Motown guy. One of the mods and not one of the rockers so when i was off to Glastonbury in the 90's and leeds and reading right up to 2005 ish (before the gradual decline started) i think he thought i had a screw loose.

I remember torturing with RATM vividly.

Some of the utter dross out there today, stuff I am sure is championed to our kids on tiktok and the likes, genuinely hurts my head and senses and I do wonder if ive just gone full circle.

The thing is the way music is enjoyed has changed dramatically. Kids don't even consume music in full songs anymore, nevermind albums, its all 30-40 second snippets ......its all doomed

stones · January 7

pjl44 said:

I think you don't have overnight rock band success stories because there are so many different avenues for discovering new rock music now. It's not like the old days when we were all listening to FM rock stations and hearing basically the same stuff. It's a slower build now. As a result you have bands like Ghost and Goose playing arenas. King Gizzard is getting close. Just to name a couple.

I agree completely about the lack of rock band success stories and it being a different model now. However artists like Drake, Kendrick Lamar, Post Malone seem to be the "rock stars" of today - I don't know if its overnight success but they do seem to have had some of that instant impact and early career success which means they can sell out stadiums and headline the big festivals now.

I get they're solo artists, but I do wonder what makes them able to have such success in the same industry landscape whilst bands seem to struggle to break through in the same way with the younger generation.

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