#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

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  • battle1
    battle1 PHI Posts: 637
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    Tramp 'fans"....  hahaha
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,181
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    disagree...you keep saying this but they are as happy as anyone could be. This is exactly what they want.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  It’s 
    time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 


    You’re not gonna be able to right these ships me thinks.
    Podesta/Clinton?  I don't know why you think this meme is either relevant or mildly convincing of anything.  

    Modern arguments are so trite and fucking stupid, using memes to make a point.  It's a sign of how pathetic our culture has become.  And usually older generations blame the "young", but that's not really the case.  Everyone's brains are going to mush at this point and old fucks are just as blame-worthy. Try to be better and make your case with, you know, actual thoughts and words.  
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,392
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  It’s 
    time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 


    You’re not gonna be able to right these ships me thinks.
    Podesta/Clinton?  I don't know why you think this meme is either relevant or mildly convincing of anything.  

    Modern arguments are so trite and fucking stupid, using memes to make a point.  It's a sign of how pathetic our culture has become.  And usually older generations blame the "young", but that's not really the case.  Everyone's brains are going to mush at this point and old fucks are just as blame-worthy. Try to be better and make your case with, you know, actual thoughts and words.  

    thats it, melania has her new cause

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  • mrussel1
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    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  It’s 
    time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 


    You’re not gonna be able to right these ships me thinks.
    Podesta/Clinton?  I don't know why you think this meme is either relevant or mildly convincing of anything.  

    Modern arguments are so trite and fucking stupid, using memes to make a point.  It's a sign of how pathetic our culture has become.  And usually older generations blame the "young", but that's not really the case.  Everyone's brains are going to mush at this point and old fucks are just as blame-worthy. Try to be better and make your case with, you know, actual thoughts and words.  

    thats it, melania has her new cause

    be better ... again
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  It’s 
    time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 


    You’re not gonna be able to right these ships me thinks.
    Podesta/Clinton?  I don't know why you think this meme is either relevant or mildly convincing of anything.  

    Modern arguments are so trite and fucking stupid, using memes to make a point.  It's a sign of how pathetic our culture has become.  And usually older generations blame the "young", but that's not really the case.  Everyone's brains are going to mush at this point and old fucks are just as blame-worthy. Try to be better and make your case with, you know, actual thoughts and words.  

    thats it, melania has her new cause

    be better ... again
    Be More-Better?
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    1. People would rather be right than be righteous
    2. Undue thought control can occur to anyone by appealing to various elements of a person (fear, racism, greed, wealth, homogeny in society, etc), and it's a fallacy that only the foolish can be fooled
    3. Due to polarization, people have inherent distrust of those with other beliefs to their own, and discourse is limited to echo chambers or conversations with trolls, hence no minds are swayed
    4. There is no desire to think long-term, nor is there political incentive to act in long-term ways
    5. Corruption masks itself as stupidity, and stupidity masks itself as corruption. 

    I don't believe there are cracks appearing, I believe this has been one of the best propaganda efforts probably since the Nazis, and it has worked on an alarming number of people. I'm a nihilist at this point, and don't feel you can fix widespread epidemics of apathy, greed, indecency, or corruption - especially when they're all present at the same time. 

    We need to learn to enjoy our local lives, because as you zoom out to a global scale, problems become more unsolvable. At least locally, we have the illusion of some control, and can choose to move towards decency. 

    PS - yes, I compared Trump's administration's behaviours to Nazis; and no, I don't care if anyone thinks that's an exaggeration
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  • battle1
    battle1 PHI Posts: 637
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    1. People would rather be right than be righteous
    2. Undue thought control can occur to anyone by appealing to various elements of a person (fear, racism, greed, wealth, homogeny in society, etc), and it's a fallacy that only the foolish can be fooled
    3. Due to polarization, people have inherent distrust of those with other beliefs to their own, and discourse is limited to echo chambers or conversations with trolls, hence no minds are swayed
    4. There is no desire to think long-term, nor is there political incentive to act in long-term ways
    5. Corruption masks itself as stupidity, and stupidity masks itself as corruption. 

    I don't believe there are cracks appearing, I believe this has been one of the best propaganda efforts probably since the Nazis, and it has worked on an alarming number of people. I'm a nihilist at this point, and don't feel you can fix widespread epidemics of apathy, greed, indecency, or corruption - especially when they're all present at the same time. 

    We need to learn to enjoy our local lives, because as you zoom out to a global scale, problems become more unsolvable. At least locally, we have the illusion of some control, and can choose to move towards decency. 

    PS - yes, I compared Trump's administration's behaviours to Nazis; and no, I don't care if anyone thinks that's an exaggeration
    I agree with a lot of this post.  Some is nonsense, particularly the last sentence. That is fear mongering and dramatic.
  • mickeyrat
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,181
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    1. People would rather be right than be righteous
    2. Undue thought control can occur to anyone by appealing to various elements of a person (fear, racism, greed, wealth, homogeny in society, etc), and it's a fallacy that only the foolish can be fooled
    3. Due to polarization, people have inherent distrust of those with other beliefs to their own, and discourse is limited to echo chambers or conversations with trolls, hence no minds are swayed
    4. There is no desire to think long-term, nor is there political incentive to act in long-term ways
    5. Corruption masks itself as stupidity, and stupidity masks itself as corruption. 

    I don't believe there are cracks appearing, I believe this has been one of the best propaganda efforts probably since the Nazis, and it has worked on an alarming number of people. I'm a nihilist at this point, and don't feel you can fix widespread epidemics of apathy, greed, indecency, or corruption - especially when they're all present at the same time. 

    We need to learn to enjoy our local lives, because as you zoom out to a global scale, problems become more unsolvable. At least locally, we have the illusion of some control, and can choose to move towards decency. 

    PS - yes, I compared Trump's administration's behaviours to Nazis; and no, I don't care if anyone thinks that's an exaggeration
    Agreed...my opinion is that trump is an anomaly...he's an actor and arguably the best actor we've ever come across because he has been able to convince people that he is a leader, that he is religious, that he has morals, that he loves our country, etc.
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  • benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    1. People would rather be right than be righteous
    2. Undue thought control can occur to anyone by appealing to various elements of a person (fear, racism, greed, wealth, homogeny in society, etc), and it's a fallacy that only the foolish can be fooled
    3. Due to polarization, people have inherent distrust of those with other beliefs to their own, and discourse is limited to echo chambers or conversations with trolls, hence no minds are swayed
    4. There is no desire to think long-term, nor is there political incentive to act in long-term ways
    5. Corruption masks itself as stupidity, and stupidity masks itself as corruption. 

    I don't believe there are cracks appearing, I believe this has been one of the best propaganda efforts probably since the Nazis, and it has worked on an alarming number of people. I'm a nihilist at this point, and don't feel you can fix widespread epidemics of apathy, greed, indecency, or corruption - especially when they're all present at the same time. 

    We need to learn to enjoy our local lives, because as you zoom out to a global scale, problems become more unsolvable. At least locally, we have the illusion of some control, and can choose to move towards decency. 

    PS - yes, I compared Trump's administration's behaviours to Nazis; and no, I don't care if anyone thinks that's an exaggeration
    Agreed...my opinion is that trump is an anomaly...he's an actor and arguably the best actor we've ever come across because he has been able to convince people that he is a leader, that he is religious, that he has morals, that he loves our country, etc.
    And that he’s “tough.” Because nothing says “tough” like snapping your suit jacket and pushing people out of the way. Plus, he’s the epitome of fitness. He had a doctor’s note stating such.


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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,181
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    1. People would rather be right than be righteous
    2. Undue thought control can occur to anyone by appealing to various elements of a person (fear, racism, greed, wealth, homogeny in society, etc), and it's a fallacy that only the foolish can be fooled
    3. Due to polarization, people have inherent distrust of those with other beliefs to their own, and discourse is limited to echo chambers or conversations with trolls, hence no minds are swayed
    4. There is no desire to think long-term, nor is there political incentive to act in long-term ways
    5. Corruption masks itself as stupidity, and stupidity masks itself as corruption. 

    I don't believe there are cracks appearing, I believe this has been one of the best propaganda efforts probably since the Nazis, and it has worked on an alarming number of people. I'm a nihilist at this point, and don't feel you can fix widespread epidemics of apathy, greed, indecency, or corruption - especially when they're all present at the same time. 

    We need to learn to enjoy our local lives, because as you zoom out to a global scale, problems become more unsolvable. At least locally, we have the illusion of some control, and can choose to move towards decency. 

    PS - yes, I compared Trump's administration's behaviours to Nazis; and no, I don't care if anyone thinks that's an exaggeration
    Agreed...my opinion is that trump is an anomaly...he's an actor and arguably the best actor we've ever come across because he has been able to convince people that he is a leader, that he is religious, that he has morals, that he loves our country, etc.
    And that he’s “tough.” Because nothing says “tough” like snapping your suit jacket and pushing people out of the way. Plus, he’s the epitome of fitness. He had a doctor’s note stating such.


    It's truly the "Dear Leader" fantasy...he's bald, fat, smells, probably incontinent, his wife has a totally separate sex life from him, fake teeth, fake bird's nest hair, pasty white yet is always bronze in public, etc.
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  • benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    1. People would rather be right than be righteous
    2. Undue thought control can occur to anyone by appealing to various elements of a person (fear, racism, greed, wealth, homogeny in society, etc), and it's a fallacy that only the foolish can be fooled
    3. Due to polarization, people have inherent distrust of those with other beliefs to their own, and discourse is limited to echo chambers or conversations with trolls, hence no minds are swayed
    4. There is no desire to think long-term, nor is there political incentive to act in long-term ways
    5. Corruption masks itself as stupidity, and stupidity masks itself as corruption. 

    I don't believe there are cracks appearing, I believe this has been one of the best propaganda efforts probably since the Nazis, and it has worked on an alarming number of people. I'm a nihilist at this point, and don't feel you can fix widespread epidemics of apathy, greed, indecency, or corruption - especially when they're all present at the same time. 

    We need to learn to enjoy our local lives, because as you zoom out to a global scale, problems become more unsolvable. At least locally, we have the illusion of some control, and can choose to move towards decency. 

    PS - yes, I compared Trump's administration's behaviours to Nazis; and no, I don't care if anyone thinks that's an exaggeration
    Agreed...my opinion is that trump is an anomaly...he's an actor and arguably the best actor we've ever come across because he has been able to convince people that he is a leader, that he is religious, that he has morals, that he loves our country, etc.
    And that he’s “tough.” Because nothing says “tough” like snapping your suit jacket and pushing people out of the way. Plus, he’s the epitome of fitness. He had a doctor’s note stating such.


    It's truly the "Dear Leader" fantasy...he's bald, fat, smells, probably incontinent, his wife has a totally separate sex life from him, fake teeth, fake bird's nest hair, pasty white yet is always bronze in public, etc.
    It's 'The Emperor's New Clothes' brought to life. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    disagree...you keep saying this but they are as happy as anyone could be. This is exactly what they want.

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  • benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    1. People would rather be right than be righteous
    2. Undue thought control can occur to anyone by appealing to various elements of a person (fear, racism, greed, wealth, homogeny in society, etc), and it's a fallacy that only the foolish can be fooled
    3. Due to polarization, people have inherent distrust of those with other beliefs to their own, and discourse is limited to echo chambers or conversations with trolls, hence no minds are swayed
    4. There is no desire to think long-term, nor is there political incentive to act in long-term ways
    5. Corruption masks itself as stupidity, and stupidity masks itself as corruption. 

    I don't believe there are cracks appearing, I believe this has been one of the best propaganda efforts probably since the Nazis, and it has worked on an alarming number of people. I'm a nihilist at this point, and don't feel you can fix widespread epidemics of apathy, greed, indecency, or corruption - especially when they're all present at the same time. 

    We need to learn to enjoy our local lives, because as you zoom out to a global scale, problems become more unsolvable. At least locally, we have the illusion of some control, and can choose to move towards decency. 

    PS - yes, I compared Trump's administration's behaviours to Nazis; and no, I don't care if anyone thinks that's an exaggeration
    Agreed...my opinion is that trump is an anomaly...he's an actor and arguably the best actor we've ever come across because he has been able to convince people that he is a leader, that he is religious, that he has morals, that he loves our country, etc.
    And that he’s “tough.” Because nothing says “tough” like snapping your suit jacket and pushing people out of the way. Plus, he’s the epitome of fitness. He had a doctor’s note stating such.


    It's truly the "Dear Leader" fantasy...he's bald, fat, smells, probably incontinent, his wife has a totally separate sex life from him, fake teeth, fake bird's nest hair, pasty white yet is always bronze in public, etc.
    And he’s a pussy. Problem is, nobody has ever told him “no.” Other than the women he’s sexually assaulted. It’d be so easy to send him scurrying. But I eschew physical violence so I’ll have to wait for karma. He’ll get his.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    1. People would rather be right than be righteous
    2. Undue thought control can occur to anyone by appealing to various elements of a person (fear, racism, greed, wealth, homogeny in society, etc), and it's a fallacy that only the foolish can be fooled
    3. Due to polarization, people have inherent distrust of those with other beliefs to their own, and discourse is limited to echo chambers or conversations with trolls, hence no minds are swayed
    4. There is no desire to think long-term, nor is there political incentive to act in long-term ways
    5. Corruption masks itself as stupidity, and stupidity masks itself as corruption. 

    I don't believe there are cracks appearing, I believe this has been one of the best propaganda efforts probably since the Nazis, and it has worked on an alarming number of people. I'm a nihilist at this point, and don't feel you can fix widespread epidemics of apathy, greed, indecency, or corruption - especially when they're all present at the same time. 

    We need to learn to enjoy our local lives, because as you zoom out to a global scale, problems become more unsolvable. At least locally, we have the illusion of some control, and can choose to move towards decency. 

    PS - yes, I compared Trump's administration's behaviours to Nazis; and no, I don't care if anyone thinks that's an exaggeration
    Agreed...my opinion is that trump is an anomaly...he's an actor and arguably the best actor we've ever come across because he has been able to convince people that he is a leader, that he is religious, that he has morals, that he loves our country, etc.
    And that he’s “tough.” Because nothing says “tough” like snapping your suit jacket and pushing people out of the way. Plus, he’s the epitome of fitness. He had a doctor’s note stating such.


    It's truly the "Dear Leader" fantasy...he's bald, fat, smells, probably incontinent, his wife has a totally separate sex life from him, fake teeth, fake bird's nest hair, pasty white yet is always bronze in public, etc.
    And he’s a pussy. Problem is, nobody has ever told him “no.” Other than the women he’s sexually assaulted. It’d be so easy to send him scurrying. But I eschew physical violence so I’ll have to wait for karma. He’ll get his.
    That's why it's hilarious that the GOP house (38 of them at least) basically said "fuck you" and didn't pay attention to his demand that the debt ceiling be extended to 2029 or they would risk being primaried. What a fat douche.


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody ever notice how angry and hostile Trump fans are these days, even after their crazy man won the election?  It's not surprising, really.  We all know what a shit show the next four years will be.  It's all just a game to the Dictator and his Ambassador of Chaos.  And many of the people who voted for him know or at least deep down know that they were duped, or at the very least are beginning to understand that.  But of course they won't admit it to anyone, least of all themselves.  So they do their best to keep pushing false narratives, and try their best to believe they made the right choice.   But eventually the cracks begin to show and they just get frustrated and angry.  
    It would just be so much simpler to admit when you messed up and learn from the situation.  I've always found that's the best thing to do anyway.
    And hey, let's be fair, everyone could use to do that.  Democrats could do better too.  The whole country is going down like the Titanic.  Its time to stop fucking around and get serious about righting this ship. 
    1. People would rather be right than be righteous
    2. Undue thought control can occur to anyone by appealing to various elements of a person (fear, racism, greed, wealth, homogeny in society, etc), and it's a fallacy that only the foolish can be fooled
    3. Due to polarization, people have inherent distrust of those with other beliefs to their own, and discourse is limited to echo chambers or conversations with trolls, hence no minds are swayed
    4. There is no desire to think long-term, nor is there political incentive to act in long-term ways
    5. Corruption masks itself as stupidity, and stupidity masks itself as corruption. 

    I don't believe there are cracks appearing, I believe this has been one of the best propaganda efforts probably since the Nazis, and it has worked on an alarming number of people. I'm a nihilist at this point, and don't feel you can fix widespread epidemics of apathy, greed, indecency, or corruption - especially when they're all present at the same time. 

    We need to learn to enjoy our local lives, because as you zoom out to a global scale, problems become more unsolvable. At least locally, we have the illusion of some control, and can choose to move towards decency. 

    PS - yes, I compared Trump's administration's behaviours to Nazis; and no, I don't care if anyone thinks that's an exaggeration
    " don't feel you can fix widespread epidemics of apathy, greed, indecency, or corruption - especially when they're all present at the same time."
    I agree that there is little we can do to fix these issues, Ben, and I am highly doubtful the human race will ever completely rid itself of  apathy, greed, indecency, and corruption, but I do believe that when those issues become epidemic as they are now, circumstances caused by the chaos they procure will eventually and inevitably lead to a shifting back to a better balance of less chaos and better times.  I'm doubtful I will live to see that happen, but I'm also nearly old enough to have seen the cycle.  Hitler and then the McCarthy era happened not many years before I was born, and then a better balance was created and, though far from perfect, we had some great years.  And now we are in the age of MAGA where hate and greed, and indecency, and corruption rule the day.  But the cycle will continue and there will be better times.  Stay strong and look toward those time and be a part of the change.  Don't give up, Ben.  Don't let this period of time kill your spirit.  Look at history and be hopeful.  I can see by this...

    "We need to learn to enjoy our local lives, because as you zoom out to a global scale, problems become more unsolvable. At least locally, we have the illusion of some control, and can choose to move towards decency."

    ...that you already posses some of that hope.  Well done.


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