Immigration

brianlux · December 2024

FiveBelow said:

brianlux said:

Choccoloccotide said:

josevolution said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-border-czar-tom-homan-fact-check-mexican-cartels-u-s-fentanyl-deaths/Trump's "border czar" claims Mexican cartels killed a quarter-million Americans with fentanyl. Here's a fact check.
Here you go sheckster & chocotide 250k fentanyl deaths 😂 blame the Mexican’s, like Joey or Linda overdosing are not to blame and who’s selling them the drug it ain’t Chico & the man it’s Pauley down the street or Mike in the dorm next door!

Well the Mexican govt is bought off by the cartels and Chinese to allow the unrestricted flow of fentanyl across the border. Trump blames the Mexican govt and the CCP (Chicomms) for fentanyl, not the Mexican people. Here ya go: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/drugs-fentanyl-china/

Even though it was written a while back, to get a clear picture about what goes on there, this is an excellent book. Not an easy read by any means, but really well written and researched by the author right at the source. It's amazing he was able to publish this.

No offense to Charles Bowden, but Matt Foley is probably more familiar with what goes on “down by the river”.

You either haven't read Bowden, or don't know much about him or even know who he is, or you're just kidding.

I hope it's the latter. If you're not kidding, the offense is on you, not me.

Bowden's work was heavy duty, highly engaging, sometimes absolutely brutal, and even at times oddly humorous. He was no slouch. He hung out with the heavies of the cartel drug lords to research and gather information, as well as the people on both sides of the border, the druggies, the average person, and the higher ups in the DEA. He was no bullshit, didn't have a naive bone in his body, and he was a hell of a fine writer.

mace1229 · December 2024

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Gern Blansten · December 2024

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

so is that only because of illegal immigrants? I kind of doubt that...not saying they might not add to the issue but come on.

Also...no one compares anyone to Hitler for wanting to deport illegals. The issue is how are they discovered? Do we just deport them as they are arrested for committing crime? Or do we form teams to seek them out and deport any illegal...even ones who have assimilated and work/contribute to society, etc. And at what cost? Is the cost of such a program more than the cost of dealing with them?

I have nothing against stricter policies.

mace1229 · December 2024

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

so is that only because of illegal immigrants? I kind of doubt that...not saying they might not add to the issue but come on.

Also...no one compares anyone to Hitler for wanting to deport illegals. The issue is how are they discovered? Do we just deport them as they are arrested for committing crime? Or do we form teams to seek them out and deport any illegal...even ones who have assimilated and work/contribute to society, etc. And at what cost? Is the cost of such a program more than the cost of dealing with them?

I have nothing against stricter policies.

I doubt illegal immigrants are the only group that benefits from that, but they undoubtedly require language services at a higher rate than any other group. And, without that group, might not be to the point where it's a requirement now.

People have been comparing trump and his immigration policies to hitler for 8 years. Claiming they'll be sent off in "box cars" etc. His deportation plan of illegal immigrants has 100% been compared to nazi Germany and their treatment of the Jews.

Go Beavers · December 2024

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders.

Tim Simmons · December 2024

I mean, they did separate families and used cages, so it’s not that massive of a jump.

josevolution · December 2024

Tim Simmons said:

I mean, they did separate families and used cages, so it’s not that massive of a jump.

There is that too maybe this time they’ll keep families together or maybe give them cots to sleep on

Gern Blansten · December 2024

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

so is that only because of illegal immigrants? I kind of doubt that...not saying they might not add to the issue but come on.

Also...no one compares anyone to Hitler for wanting to deport illegals. The issue is how are they discovered? Do we just deport them as they are arrested for committing crime? Or do we form teams to seek them out and deport any illegal...even ones who have assimilated and work/contribute to society, etc. And at what cost? Is the cost of such a program more than the cost of dealing with them?

I have nothing against stricter policies.

I doubt illegal immigrants are the only group that benefits from that, but they undoubtedly require language services at a higher rate than any other group. And, without that group, might not be to the point where it's a requirement now.

People have been comparing trump and his immigration policies to hitler for 8 years. Claiming they'll be sent off in "box cars" etc. His deportation plan of illegal immigrants has 100% been compared to nazi Germany and their treatment of the Jews.

well...if you listen to Homan that isn't too far off. trump has at least said that they wouldn't separate families...they will just deport everyone. It's tough because if the family is here illegally but they are self sufficient it does seem a bit cruel to just upend them from wherever they have settled and kick them across the border. I get it...they are here illegally, but that is where the disconnect is.

mace1229 · December 2024

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders.

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement.
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses. We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of.
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too.

Gern Blansten · December 2024

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders.

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement.
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses. We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of.
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too.

it's a huge problem for sure...balancing humanity with funding is a tough call

a simplistic approach would be for the US to require money from whatever country they are coming from but that is a slippery slope as well

mace1229 · December 2024

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

so is that only because of illegal immigrants? I kind of doubt that...not saying they might not add to the issue but come on.

Also...no one compares anyone to Hitler for wanting to deport illegals. The issue is how are they discovered? Do we just deport them as they are arrested for committing crime? Or do we form teams to seek them out and deport any illegal...even ones who have assimilated and work/contribute to society, etc. And at what cost? Is the cost of such a program more than the cost of dealing with them?

I have nothing against stricter policies.

I doubt illegal immigrants are the only group that benefits from that, but they undoubtedly require language services at a higher rate than any other group. And, without that group, might not be to the point where it's a requirement now.

People have been comparing trump and his immigration policies to hitler for 8 years. Claiming they'll be sent off in "box cars" etc. His deportation plan of illegal immigrants has 100% been compared to nazi Germany and their treatment of the Jews.

well...if you listen to Homan that isn't too far off. trump has at least said that they wouldn't separate families...they will just deport everyone. It's tough because if the family is here illegally but they are self sufficient it does seem a bit cruel to just upend them from wherever they have settled and kick them across the border. I get it...they are here illegally, but that is where the disconnect is.

You don't think deporting illegal immigrants back to their country of origin vs sending citizens to work/concentration camps to die is not the same thing and not a fair comparison?

mace1229 · December 2024

Tim Simmons said:

I mean, they did separate families and used cages, so it’s not that massive of a jump.

The cages and "drinking toilet water" were around before trump. Just no one cared until he was in office.

mace1229 · December 2024

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders.

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement.
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses. We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of.
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too.

it's a huge problem for sure...balancing humanity with funding is a tough call

a simplistic approach would be for the US to require money from whatever country they are coming from but that is a slippery slope as well

I think we can agree on this. That would be a good idea, but don't know how you'd enforce it, or like getting blood from a turnip if you could.

Gern Blansten · December 2024

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

so is that only because of illegal immigrants? I kind of doubt that...not saying they might not add to the issue but come on.

Also...no one compares anyone to Hitler for wanting to deport illegals. The issue is how are they discovered? Do we just deport them as they are arrested for committing crime? Or do we form teams to seek them out and deport any illegal...even ones who have assimilated and work/contribute to society, etc. And at what cost? Is the cost of such a program more than the cost of dealing with them?

I have nothing against stricter policies.

I doubt illegal immigrants are the only group that benefits from that, but they undoubtedly require language services at a higher rate than any other group. And, without that group, might not be to the point where it's a requirement now.

People have been comparing trump and his immigration policies to hitler for 8 years. Claiming they'll be sent off in "box cars" etc. His deportation plan of illegal immigrants has 100% been compared to nazi Germany and their treatment of the Jews.

well...if you listen to Homan that isn't too far off. trump has at least said that they wouldn't separate families...they will just deport everyone. It's tough because if the family is here illegally but they are self sufficient it does seem a bit cruel to just upend them from wherever they have settled and kick them across the border. I get it...they are here illegally, but that is where the disconnect is.

You don't think deporting illegal immigrants back to their country of origin vs sending citizens to work/concentration camps to die is not the same thing and not a fair comparison?

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Halifax2TheMax · December 2024

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders.

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement.
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses. We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of.
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too.

it's a huge problem for sure...balancing humanity with funding is a tough call

a simplistic approach would be for the US to require money from whatever country they are coming from but that is a slippery slope as well

I think we can agree on this. That would be a good idea, but don't know how you'd enforce it, or like getting blood from a turnip if you could.

How do you feel about Elongitaint being here illegally? What about Memeania being an anchor mama? Surely this bothers your conscience too? You do realize that most “illegals” as you call them arrive via airports and overstay their visas, right? So, how do you feel about the Eastern Europeans that arrive via O’hare?

Halifax2TheMax · December 2024

What some folks seem to miss in this debate is that we’re supposed to be a nation of laws and if you want to fix the immigration problem, you need to change the law. The last time this happened was 1986. Fucking 1986. We had a bipartisan overhaul of the law that would have done a lot of good things ready to be passed until the repubs took their direction from a candidate for POTUS because it was an issue they needed to run on to win. It scares all those folks in fly over country and in the hollers. Bottom line, most of us will have a difficult time without migrants contributing to the economy but the billionaire class will be fine, inflation doesn’t effect them and no one is kicking in their door or raiding their factory floor and arresting their “help.”

So, tell us, what is this opposition to immigration really about? It can’t be ESL classes, or ER visits, nor crime, seeing how native born have higher crime rates. What is it really about?

Halifax2TheMax · December 2024

This may explain it. Might have to read it.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCCEu7yx2oV/?igsh=dXdmbjgwYzIzY20z

mace1229 · December 2024

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders.

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement.
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses. We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of.
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too.

it's a huge problem for sure...balancing humanity with funding is a tough call

a simplistic approach would be for the US to require money from whatever country they are coming from but that is a slippery slope as well

I think we can agree on this. That would be a good idea, but don't know how you'd enforce it, or like getting blood from a turnip if you could.

How do you feel about Elongitaint being here illegally? What about Memeania being an anchor mama? Surely this bothers your conscience too? You do realize that most “illegals” as you call them arrive via airports and overstay their visas, right? So, how do you feel about the Eastern Europeans that arrive via O’hare?

I called them "illegal immigrants." And what's wrong with that? Beavers is the one that called them "illegals," feel free to give him a hard time about that and imply he is racist if you want, but I don't have an issue with it.
I am aware that there are a number of illegal immigrants from Europe who over stay their visas. Same rules should apply to them and everyone else.
I don't see any data supporting the claim that's where the majority come from, where are you getting that?
I'm not sure what you want me to say about Millannia and I assume Musk? I'm not too familiar with their immigration history other than supposedly they didn't have the right papers at some point back in the 90s. I don't approve of that if that's the case, but I don't think we should go back 30 years and retroactively charge people for immigration crimes far beyond the statute of limitations. There are thousands, if not millions of other people here legally now who were not of legal status when they arrived. I feel the same way about them all. Look at current immigration status, not what happened 30 years ago.

mace1229 · December 2024

Halifax2TheMax said:

This may explain it. Might have to read it.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCCEu7yx2oV/?igsh=dXdmbjgwYzIzY20z

If it doesn't explain it using pictures, then I don't bother.

mickeyrat · December 2024

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc.
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally. But that happens everywhere else in the world.
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders.

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement.
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses. We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of.
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too.

it's a huge problem for sure...balancing humanity with funding is a tough call

a simplistic approach would be for the US to require money from whatever country they are coming from but that is a slippery slope as well

I think we can agree on this. That would be a good idea, but don't know how you'd enforce it, or like getting blood from a turnip if you could.

How do you feel about Elongitaint being here illegally? What about Memeania being an anchor mama? Surely this bothers your conscience too? You do realize that most “illegals” as you call them arrive via airports and overstay their visas, right? So, how do you feel about the Eastern Europeans that arrive via O’hare?

I called them "illegal immigrants." And what's wrong with that? Beavers is the one that called them "illegals," feel free to give him a hard time about that and imply he is racist if you want, but I don't have an issue with it.
I am aware that there are a number of illegal immigrants from Europe who over stay their visas. Same rules should apply to them and everyone else.
I don't see any data supporting the claim that's where the majority come from, where are you getting that?
I'm not sure what you want me to say about Millannia and I assume Musk? I'm not too familiar with their immigration history other than supposedly they didn't have the right papers at some point back in the 90s. I don't approve of that if that's the case, but I don't think we should go back 30 years and retroactively charge people for immigration crimes far beyond the statute of limitations. There are thousands, if not millions of other people here legally now who were not of legal status when they arrived. I feel the same way about them all. Look at current immigration status, not what happened 30 years ago.

it is hard for you to change how this group is referred to? from illegal to undocumented? I put those in the asylum pipeline as undocumented. they followed the law, crossed wherever and promptly turned themselves in as the law stated.

visa overstays are different. they enter under legal status for a finite time period. When they choose to not address visa staus and instead "lose themselves" within the country, they are visitors here illegally, perhaps at the point of visa expiration without action to address we can reclassify them as migrants here illegally.

those who jump the border are migrants here illegally outside of the legal framework of asylum.

have you ever been speeding and not got caught? like well over the limit? you're then an illegal driver by the logic that seems to be at play with migrants....

consider a different way of thinking/framing.

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