Immigration

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

This may explain it. Might have to read it.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCCEu7yx2oV/?igsh=dXdmbjgwYzIzY20z

If it doesn't explain it using pictures, then I don't bother. 

And posters give me shit?

FiveBelow

brianlux said:

FiveBelow said:

brianlux said:

Choccoloccotide said:

josevolution said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-border-czar-tom-homan-fact-check-mexican-cartels-u-s-fentanyl-deaths/Trump's "border czar" claims Mexican cartels killed a quarter-million Americans with fentanyl. Here's a fact check.

Here you go sheckster & chocotide 250k fentanyl deaths 😂 blame the Mexican’s, like Joey or Linda overdosing are not to blame and who’s selling them the drug it ain’t Chico & the man it’s Pauley down the street or Mike in the dorm next door! 

Well the Mexican govt is bought off by the cartels and Chinese to allow the unrestricted flow of fentanyl across the border.  Trump blames the Mexican govt and the CCP (Chicomms) for fentanyl, not the Mexican people.  Here ya go:  https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/drugs-fentanyl-china/

Even though it was written a while back, to get a clear picture about what goes on there, this is an excellent book.  Not an easy read by any means, but really well written and researched by the author right at the source.  It's amazing he was able to publish this.

No offense to Charles Bowden, but Matt Foley is probably more familiar with what goes on “down by the river”.

You either haven't read Bowden, or don't know much about him or even know who he is, or you're just kidding.

I hope it's the latter.  If you're not kidding, the offense is on you, not me.

Bowden's work was heavy duty, highly engaging, sometimes absolutely brutal, and even at times oddly humorous.  He was no slouch.  He hung out with the heavies of the cartel drug lords to research and gather information, as well as the people on both sides of the border, the druggies, the average person, and the higher ups in the DEA.  He was no bullshit, didn't have a naive bone in his body, and he was a hell of a fine writer.

Matt Foley was a character played by Chris Farley on SNL. He lived in a van, down by the river.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc. 
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally.  But that happens everywhere else in the world. 
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders. 

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement. 
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses.  We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of. 
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too. 

it's a huge problem for sure...balancing humanity with funding is a tough call

a simplistic approach would be for the US to require money from whatever country they are coming from but that is a slippery slope as well

I think we can agree on this. That would be a good idea, but don't know how you'd enforce it, or like getting blood from a turnip if you could.

How do you feel about Elongitaint being here illegally? What about Memeania being an anchor mama? Surely this bothers your conscience too? You do realize that most “illegals” as you call them arrive via airports and overstay their visas, right? So, how do you feel about the Eastern Europeans that arrive via O’hare?

I called them "illegal immigrants." And what's wrong with that? Beavers is the one that called them "illegals," feel free to give him a hard time about that and imply he is racist if you want, but I don't have an issue with it.
I am aware that there are a number of illegal immigrants from Europe who over stay their visas. Same rules should apply to them and everyone else.
I don't see any data supporting the claim that's where the majority come from, where are you getting that?
I'm not sure what you want me to say about Millannia and I assume Musk? I'm not too familiar with their immigration history other than supposedly they didn't have the right papers at some point back in the 90s. I don't approve of that if that's the case, but I don't think we should go back 30 years and retroactively charge people for immigration crimes far beyond the statute of limitations. There are thousands, if not millions of other people here legally now who were not of legal status when they arrived. I feel the same way about them all. Look at current immigration status, not what happened 30 years ago.

1. It seems you do.
2. It seems they don’t because you and the repubs harp on the border with Mexico while not being fauxraged by the other illegals that come from predominantly white majority countries.
3. They were here illegally. They broke the law. But that doesn’t seem to bother you. Put this way, if an illegal came from Mexico 30 years ago, has lived and worked without breaking the law and gets pulled over and their immigration status is discovered, should they be deported? See #2.
4. It doesn’t have pictures:


https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

5. See the drop downs in the above link that explain the laws that pertain to certain groups and how they’re applied. It’s not as simple as “open borders” and the only one you seem to concern yourself with is the southern border. Why is that?
6. There was a bipartisan immigration bill ready to be passed that would have helped to make things better. Not perfect but better. You have your party in power will all three branches starting 1/20/2025. Who will you hold accountable on this issue and will you support the round ups and the jailing of illegals?

brianlux

FiveBelow said:

brianlux said:

FiveBelow said:

brianlux said:

Choccoloccotide said:

josevolution said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-border-czar-tom-homan-fact-check-mexican-cartels-u-s-fentanyl-deaths/Trump's "border czar" claims Mexican cartels killed a quarter-million Americans with fentanyl. Here's a fact check.

Here you go sheckster & chocotide 250k fentanyl deaths 😂 blame the Mexican’s, like Joey or Linda overdosing are not to blame and who’s selling them the drug it ain’t Chico & the man it’s Pauley down the street or Mike in the dorm next door! 

Well the Mexican govt is bought off by the cartels and Chinese to allow the unrestricted flow of fentanyl across the border.  Trump blames the Mexican govt and the CCP (Chicomms) for fentanyl, not the Mexican people.  Here ya go:  https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/drugs-fentanyl-china/

Even though it was written a while back, to get a clear picture about what goes on there, this is an excellent book.  Not an easy read by any means, but really well written and researched by the author right at the source.  It's amazing he was able to publish this.

No offense to Charles Bowden, but Matt Foley is probably more familiar with what goes on “down by the river”.

You either haven't read Bowden, or don't know much about him or even know who he is, or you're just kidding.

I hope it's the latter.  If you're not kidding, the offense is on you, not me.

Bowden's work was heavy duty, highly engaging, sometimes absolutely brutal, and even at times oddly humorous.  He was no slouch.  He hung out with the heavies of the cartel drug lords to research and gather information, as well as the people on both sides of the border, the druggies, the average person, and the higher ups in the DEA.  He was no bullshit, didn't have a naive bone in his body, and he was a hell of a fine writer.

Matt Foley was a character played by Chris Farley on SNL. He lived in a van, down by the river.

OK, so it was a joke. 

Seriously though, if you're interested in border issues and like good books, check out the late-great Charles Bowden.  Among other things, he wrote several books about the border situation.  (My favorite though is his little tribute to Edward Abbey, The Red Caddy:Into the Unknown With Edward Abbey.)

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc. 
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally.  But that happens everywhere else in the world. 
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders. 

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement. 
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses.  We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of. 
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too. 

Many of these kids of illegals are citizens. And personally I don’t have much of an issue with spending on education when a lot them will be sticking around to contribute to society. Denying a large group of people an education doesn’t make them disappear and the alternative would be them sitting ariund doing whatever all day. 

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc. 
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally.  But that happens everywhere else in the world. 
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders. 

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement. 
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses.  We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of. 
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too. 

it's a huge problem for sure...balancing humanity with funding is a tough call

a simplistic approach would be for the US to require money from whatever country they are coming from but that is a slippery slope as well

I think we can agree on this. That would be a good idea, but don't know how you'd enforce it, or like getting blood from a turnip if you could.

How do you feel about Elongitaint being here illegally? What about Memeania being an anchor mama? Surely this bothers your conscience too? You do realize that most “illegals” as you call them arrive via airports and overstay their visas, right? So, how do you feel about the Eastern Europeans that arrive via O’hare?

I called them "illegal immigrants." And what's wrong with that? Beavers is the one that called them "illegals," feel free to give him a hard time about that and imply he is racist if you want, but I don't have an issue with it.
I am aware that there are a number of illegal immigrants from Europe who over stay their visas. Same rules should apply to them and everyone else.
I don't see any data supporting the claim that's where the majority come from, where are you getting that?
I'm not sure what you want me to say about Millannia and I assume Musk? I'm not too familiar with their immigration history other than supposedly they didn't have the right papers at some point back in the 90s. I don't approve of that if that's the case, but I don't think we should go back 30 years and retroactively charge people for immigration crimes far beyond the statute of limitations. There are thousands, if not millions of other people here legally now who were not of legal status when they arrived. I feel the same way about them all. Look at current immigration status, not what happened 30 years ago.

I say illegals in online discussions because the right gets triggered when you say undocumented and then it just ends up going down some tangent. 

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@cassidy.breeze/post/DDvp0FjOfJ8?xmt=AQGzhDeNkgzQ2fyeGHRkyjouL3wLEArzGCuJ6pazy9CXnA

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@cassidy.breeze/post/DDvp0FjOfJ8?xmt=AQGzhDeNkgzQ2fyeGHRkyjouL3wLEArzGCuJ6pazy9CXnA

Let the cruelty begin. Those babies are birth right citizens but fuck ‘em, right? I’m not sure they were deported before they were issued a birth certificate or SS# but I’m going to fathom a guess and say they were and now have no “proof” to return. What a country (of laws).

mickeyrat

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@cassidy.breeze/post/DDvp0FjOfJ8?xmt=AQGzhDeNkgzQ2fyeGHRkyjouL3wLEArzGCuJ6pazy9CXnA

Let the cruelty begin. Those babies are birth right citizens but fuck ‘em, right? I’m not sure they were deported before they were issued a birth certificate or SS# but I’m going to fathom a guess and say they were and now have no “proof” to return. What a country (of laws).

would assume hospital records could be used

shecky

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@cassidy.breeze/post/DDvp0FjOfJ8?xmt=AQGzhDeNkgzQ2fyeGHRkyjouL3wLEArzGCuJ6pazy9CXnA

Let the cruelty begin. Those babies are birth right citizens but fuck ‘em, right? I’m not sure they were deported before they were issued a birth certificate or SS# but I’m going to fathom a guess and say they were and now have no “proof” to return. What a country (of laws).

"Let the cruelty begin"? You realize it is still Joe Biden's administration in charge, don't you?

mickeyrat

shecky said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@cassidy.breeze/post/DDvp0FjOfJ8?xmt=AQGzhDeNkgzQ2fyeGHRkyjouL3wLEArzGCuJ6pazy9CXnA

Let the cruelty begin. Those babies are birth right citizens but fuck ‘em, right? I’m not sure they were deported before they were issued a birth certificate or SS# but I’m going to fathom a guess and say they were and now have no “proof” to return. What a country (of laws).

"Let the cruelty begin"? You realize it is still Joe Biden's administration in charge, don't you?

ICE has requested additional monies to expand detainment facilties across multiple states.

this case suggests the agents disregarded the reason( assume it was verifiable readily) and removed 2 US citizens....... of which the hospital will have the record of birth and vitals......

Halifax2TheMax

shecky said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@cassidy.breeze/post/DDvp0FjOfJ8?xmt=AQGzhDeNkgzQ2fyeGHRkyjouL3wLEArzGCuJ6pazy9CXnA

Let the cruelty begin. Those babies are birth right citizens but fuck ‘em, right? I’m not sure they were deported before they were issued a birth certificate or SS# but I’m going to fathom a guess and say they were and now have no “proof” to return. What a country (of laws).

"Let the cruelty begin"? You realize it is still Joe Biden's administration in charge, don't you?

In the state of Tejas with Abbott & Costello as gubner and Ken Doll Haxton as AG. Do you think a blue state would do something like this? Looking forward to more of this?

josevolution

shecky said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@cassidy.breeze/post/DDvp0FjOfJ8?xmt=AQGzhDeNkgzQ2fyeGHRkyjouL3wLEArzGCuJ6pazy9CXnA

Let the cruelty begin. Those babies are birth right citizens but fuck ‘em, right? I’m not sure they were deported before they were issued a birth certificate or SS# but I’m going to fathom a guess and say they were and now have no “proof” to return. What a country (of laws).

"Let the cruelty begin"? You realize it is still Joe Biden's administration in charge, don't you?

Yeah it’s only going to get worse under emperor Musk and water boy Trumpolinni! 

mickeyrat

JFC ON A CROSS

https://www.threads.net/@joehick58/post/DDyM_S1OiH3?xmt=AQGz8_T-2-2Zeh_pMEnNrGECquY9k_UaZhEt8qk1L-YwNg

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

JFC ON A CROSS

https://www.threads.net/@joehick58/post/DDyM_S1OiH3?xmt=AQGz8_T-2-2Zeh_pMEnNrGECquY9k_UaZhEt8qk1L-YwNg

Damn sweet baby Jebus, would you look at those shoulder pads??? But those lips, mmmmmm, those lips. Abbott and Costello priming for the take over. What do you say, POOTWH voters and money givers? Looking forward to it? Is your marker the following: number of rapes occurring, reported and unsolved? 

Maybe Tejas will deport them to West Virginity to “hold” them first?

After 12 delays, ex-police chief who raped teen is sentenced to federal prison

Larry Clay Jr., who paid $100 to rape a 17-year-old while serving as police chief in Gauley Bridge, West Virginia, and then sought to cover up his crime, received a 25-year sentence

Women, the new “other.”

Fucking incels.

tbergs

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@cassidy.breeze/post/DDvp0FjOfJ8?xmt=AQGzhDeNkgzQ2fyeGHRkyjouL3wLEArzGCuJ6pazy9CXnA

Stupid social media fear mongering. Good lord. Last I checked, the same administration is still in charge and I doubt this is the only time something like this has happened under Biden. Sure, be upset about this situation, but not only because you (generally speaking) want to attribute it to Trump. Sounds like there were other issues as well.

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2024/12/19/509316/ice-recently-deported-houston-area-woman-had-violated-conditions-to-program/

Halifax2TheMax

tbergs said:

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@cassidy.breeze/post/DDvp0FjOfJ8?xmt=AQGzhDeNkgzQ2fyeGHRkyjouL3wLEArzGCuJ6pazy9CXnA

Stupid social media fear mongering. Good lord. Last I checked, the same administration is still in charge and I doubt this is the only time something like this has happened under Biden. Sure, be upset about this situation, but not only because you (generally speaking) want to attribute it to Trump. Sounds like there were other issues as well.

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2024/12/19/509316/ice-recently-deported-houston-area-woman-had-violated-conditions-to-program/

So, you’re okay with it?

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc. 
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally.  But that happens everywhere else in the world. 
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders. 

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement. 
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses.  We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of. 
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too. 

it's a huge problem for sure...balancing humanity with funding is a tough call

a simplistic approach would be for the US to require money from whatever country they are coming from but that is a slippery slope as well

I think we can agree on this. That would be a good idea, but don't know how you'd enforce it, or like getting blood from a turnip if you could.

How do you feel about Elongitaint being here illegally? What about Memeania being an anchor mama? Surely this bothers your conscience too? You do realize that most “illegals” as you call them arrive via airports and overstay their visas, right? So, how do you feel about the Eastern Europeans that arrive via O’hare?

I called them "illegal immigrants." And what's wrong with that? Beavers is the one that called them "illegals," feel free to give him a hard time about that and imply he is racist if you want, but I don't have an issue with it.
I am aware that there are a number of illegal immigrants from Europe who over stay their visas. Same rules should apply to them and everyone else.
I don't see any data supporting the claim that's where the majority come from, where are you getting that?
I'm not sure what you want me to say about Millannia and I assume Musk? I'm not too familiar with their immigration history other than supposedly they didn't have the right papers at some point back in the 90s. I don't approve of that if that's the case, but I don't think we should go back 30 years and retroactively charge people for immigration crimes far beyond the statute of limitations. There are thousands, if not millions of other people here legally now who were not of legal status when they arrived. I feel the same way about them all. Look at current immigration status, not what happened 30 years ago.

1. It seems you do.
2. It seems they don’t because you and the repubs harp on the border with Mexico while not being fauxraged by the other illegals that come from predominantly white majority countries.
3. They were here illegally. They broke the law. But that doesn’t seem to bother you. Put this way, if an illegal came from Mexico 30 years ago, has lived and worked without breaking the law and gets pulled over and their immigration status is discovered, should they be deported? See #2.
4. It doesn’t have pictures:


https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

5. See the drop downs in the above link that explain the laws that pertain to certain groups and how they’re applied. It’s not as simple as “open borders” and the only one you seem to concern yourself with is the southern border. Why is that?
6. There was a bipartisan immigration bill ready to be passed that would have helped to make things better. Not perfect but better. You have your party in power will all three branches starting 1/20/2025. Who will you hold accountable on this issue and will you support the round ups and the jailing of illegals?

I guess my comment about no pictures being a light joke was missed. Same as how I took your comment of "you may have to read it."
1. I don't have an issue with whatever you call them. I call them illegal immigrants, you can them undocumented, others just refer to them as illegals. Whatever. We all know we are referring to someone who entered or started in this country illegally. 
2. Where are you getting the data that most of the illegal immigrants arrive from airports? You are the only source I've heard that from.
Your own source shows the majority are coming from Mexico and Latin America, and I don't think most of those are flying in. If the majority of illegal immigration occurs from the southern border, does it not make sense to prioritize that? You don't go to the doctor and have him bandage up a paper cut and ignore the bullet wound. 

3. I'm not familiar with the details, but I'll assume you're right and they were here illegally (I've seen them state otherwise, but I'll give you the benefit since I haven't looked into it). That was like 30 years ago and they've managed to make themselves legal residents since. Only murder, kidnapping and sex crimes against children have a statute of limitations that long. Any family or person that moved here 30 years ago and has managed to make themselves legal residents by now I don't think anyone should concern themselves with.
5. See #2
6. I think all politicians have let us down when it comes to the border and immigration policy. Being more concerned with re-election and looks that results.

mickeyrat

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Here's my take on "open border."
No one means it is open by the literal definition. But that we have the most lax immigration laws of any developed country. At formal crossings, yes, they check for documentation and deny entry if you don't have it. But in 99.99% of the border that isn't a formal crossing, it is thinly monitored and once you make it beyond a few miles of the border without getting caught, you're extremely unlikely to be ever sent back while receiving many benefits from the state and country.
It is against the law for a school official to even ask a student their legal status. Illegal immigrants will receive many of the same benefits at a higher rate that citizens. They can get 2 free meals a day, specialized language services, etc. 
Here you get compared to Hitler if you want to deport someone who is here illegally.  But that happens everywhere else in the world. 
Our immigration system is a joke, and that is how I interpret "open borders." And we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone, teachers in many states have to get an ESL (English as a Second Language) endorsement on their credential that they pay for the program on their own and take the classes on their own time or their credential is not renewed and they lose their job.

Illegals don’t receive many of the same benefits. In some states they can be eligible for certain benefits, like medical. Kids do get to go to school and I think you’re referring to being eligible for meals there where available. And I’d say the majority of republicans think we have literal open borders. 

In every state I've lived schools are required to provide 2 free meals to children who live in a household under a certain income. The majority of illegal immigrants (as well as many others) meet that requirement. 
What I meant by receive the same benefits, is there is very little they are denied based off their legal status. They can qualify for in-state tuition, which is just tax-subsidized college, some state funded financial Ade and scholarships, free k-12 education, anything a school offers is offered to all children. I'm not sure about subsided health care, but they can't be denied in an ER, which leads to an abuse of ER visits over non-emergency illnesses.  We offer more to illegal immigrants than any other country I've heard of. 
I'm not saying it's all wrong and we should stop immediately, I'm glad we offer a lot of those services. I also think some of it is overboard too. 

it's a huge problem for sure...balancing humanity with funding is a tough call

a simplistic approach would be for the US to require money from whatever country they are coming from but that is a slippery slope as well

I think we can agree on this. That would be a good idea, but don't know how you'd enforce it, or like getting blood from a turnip if you could.

How do you feel about Elongitaint being here illegally? What about Memeania being an anchor mama? Surely this bothers your conscience too? You do realize that most “illegals” as you call them arrive via airports and overstay their visas, right? So, how do you feel about the Eastern Europeans that arrive via O’hare?

I called them "illegal immigrants." And what's wrong with that? Beavers is the one that called them "illegals," feel free to give him a hard time about that and imply he is racist if you want, but I don't have an issue with it.
I am aware that there are a number of illegal immigrants from Europe who over stay their visas. Same rules should apply to them and everyone else.
I don't see any data supporting the claim that's where the majority come from, where are you getting that?
I'm not sure what you want me to say about Millannia and I assume Musk? I'm not too familiar with their immigration history other than supposedly they didn't have the right papers at some point back in the 90s. I don't approve of that if that's the case, but I don't think we should go back 30 years and retroactively charge people for immigration crimes far beyond the statute of limitations. There are thousands, if not millions of other people here legally now who were not of legal status when they arrived. I feel the same way about them all. Look at current immigration status, not what happened 30 years ago.

1. It seems you do.
2. It seems they don’t because you and the repubs harp on the border with Mexico while not being fauxraged by the other illegals that come from predominantly white majority countries.
3. They were here illegally. They broke the law. But that doesn’t seem to bother you. Put this way, if an illegal came from Mexico 30 years ago, has lived and worked without breaking the law and gets pulled over and their immigration status is discovered, should they be deported? See #2.
4. It doesn’t have pictures:


https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

5. See the drop downs in the above link that explain the laws that pertain to certain groups and how they’re applied. It’s not as simple as “open borders” and the only one you seem to concern yourself with is the southern border. Why is that?
6. There was a bipartisan immigration bill ready to be passed that would have helped to make things better. Not perfect but better. You have your party in power will all three branches starting 1/20/2025. Who will you hold accountable on this issue and will you support the round ups and the jailing of illegals?

I guess my comment about no pictures being a light joke was missed. Same as how I took your comment of "you may have to read it."
1. I don't have an issue with whatever you call them. I call them illegal immigrants, you can them undocumented, others just refer to them as illegals. Whatever. We all know we are referring to someone who entered or started in this country illegally. 
2. Where are you getting the data that most of the illegal immigrants arrive from airports? You are the only source I've heard that from.
Your own source shows the majority are coming from Mexico and Latin America, and I don't think most of those are flying in. If the majority of illegal immigration occurs from the southern border, does it not make sense to prioritize that? You don't go to the doctor and have him bandage up a paper cut and ignore the bullet wound. 

3. I'm not familiar with the details, but I'll assume you're right and they were here illegally (I've seen them state otherwise, but I'll give you the benefit since I haven't looked into it). That was like 30 years ago and they've managed to make themselves legal residents since. Only murder, kidnapping and sex crimes against children have a statute of limitations that long. Any family or person that moved here 30 years ago and has managed to make themselves legal residents by now I don't think anyone should concern themselves with.
5. See #2
6. I think all politicians have let us down when it comes to the border and immigration policy. Being more concerned with re-election and looks that results.

visa overstays. reporting by fiscal year back to 2015.

https://www.dhs.gov/publication/entryexit-overstay-report

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Halifax2TheMax said:

tbergs said:

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@cassidy.breeze/post/DDvp0FjOfJ8?xmt=AQGzhDeNkgzQ2fyeGHRkyjouL3wLEArzGCuJ6pazy9CXnA

Stupid social media fear mongering. Good lord. Last I checked, the same administration is still in charge and I doubt this is the only time something like this has happened under Biden. Sure, be upset about this situation, but not only because you (generally speaking) want to attribute it to Trump. Sounds like there were other issues as well.

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2024/12/19/509316/ice-recently-deported-houston-area-woman-had-violated-conditions-to-program/

So, you’re okay with it?

She violated the terms of the program several times, according to the article.