#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

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  • Choccoloccotide
    Choccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,235
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,708
    I don’t vote for rapist! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,277
    Talk about having TDS.

  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,298
    I refuse to believe he's a master manipulator. He's a moron who has enough hate to tap into the hate in others. He's Nelson Muntz x 1000. 

    Inlaws were just here to "celebrate" the holiday . MIL was blaming all her problems on trans athletes. After ignoring her for about thirty mins my wife and I lost it on her...HAVE YOU EVER EVEN MET A TRANS PERSON? 

    A few years ago she'd blame everything on immigrants.

    So yeah, he is a master at manipulation. (Or him and his echo chamber). They know exactly what they are doing and that's why they won.
    sorry, this is the same guy that stared directly into an eclipse? the guy who suggested we get rid of covid with "really powerful light"? or bleach injections? you think that guy is a master manipulator? 

    you don't have to be a master to tap into peoples' hate. you just have to be hateful yourself. 
    The guy that does the double dong dance that his cult members love... Yeah that guy 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,630
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    Some here (and elsewhere) have said, "Don't worry, it won't be as bad as you think" (etc.).  Oh yeah?  Thank again.
    (gifted article)

    Trump Disavowed Project 2025 During the Campaign. Not Anymore.

    President-elect Donald J. Trump has filled his administration with people who have ties to the right-wing manifesto.

    During the campaign, President-elect Donald J. Trump swore he had “nothing to do with” a right-wing policy blueprint known as Project 2025 that would overhaul the federal government, even though many of those involved in developing the plans were his allies.

    Mr. Trump even described many of the policy goals as “absolutely ridiculous.” And during his debate with Vice President Kamala Harris, he said he was “not going to read it.”

    Now, as he plans his agenda for his return to the White House, Mr. Trump has recruited at least a half dozen architects and supporters of the plan to oversee key issues, including the federal budget, intelligence gathering and his promised plans for mass deportations.

    The shift, his critics say, is not exactly a surprise. Mr. Trump disavowed the 900-page manifesto when polls showed it was extremely unpopular with voters. Now that he has won a second term, they say, he appears to be brushing those concerns aside.

    “President-elect Trump has dropped all pretense and is charging ahead hand in hand with the right-wing industry players shaping an agenda he denied for the whole campaign,” said Tony Carrk, the executive director of Accountable.US, a watchdog group that has been tracking Mr. Trump’s cabinet picks with ties to the project.

    Mr. Trump’s cabinet picks and other appointments have reaffirmed the fears of many Democrats and government watchdogs who say Mr. Trump will use Project 2025 as a road map to expand his executive power, replace civil servants with political loyalists and gut government agencies like the Department of Education.

    Mr. Trump has picked Russell T. Vought, one of the authors of Project 2025, to lead the powerful Office of Management and Budget. In choosing Mr. Vought, Mr. Trump will have someone who views the position as far more expansive than just overseeing the budget.

    Mr. Vought wrote in Project 2025 that the person picked for the job should view themselves as an “approximation of the president’s mind,” while establishing a reputation of the keeper of “commander’s intent.”

    In the report, Mr. Vought wrote that the incoming administration should overhaul executive branch institutions, such as the National Security Council and National Economic Council to align with Mr. Trump’s agenda, while abolishing White House offices for domestic climate policy and gender policy.

    Earlier this year, Mr. Trump tried to distance himself from his former staffers like Mr. Vought, who also served as budget chief during his first term. Democrats were ramping up attacks that tied Mr. Trump to Project 2025 as voters grew unsettled by its promises to amass power in the executive branch.

    “I have no idea who is behind it,” Mr. Trump said on social media in July, despite his ties to former staffers like Mr. Vought.

    In a statement this week, Karoline Leavitt, a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign, argued Mr. Trump “never had anything to do” with Project 2025.

    “All of President Trump’s cabinet nominees and appointments are wholeheartedly committed to President Trump’s agenda, not the agenda of outside groups,” Ms. Leavitt said.

    Mr. Trump has also tapped Stephen Miller to be his deputy chief of staff for policy and Thomas Homan to be a “border czar,” positions that do not require Senate confirmation. Mr. Homan is listed as a contributor to Project 2025. The legal organization Mr. Miller founded during Mr. Trump’s time out of office, America First Legal, was listed at one point as an adviser group to Project 2025.

    Both officials will be responsible for elements of Mr. Trump’s goals of establishing detention camps and carrying out mass deportations. The Project 2025 blueprint also recommends rescinding restrictions that prevented immigration agents from carrying out arrests in schools and churches.

    Mr. Trump’s pick to lead the Federal Communications Commission, Brendan Carr, wrote a chapter in Project 2025 that called for reining in “Big Tech,” eliminating immunity protections for social media companies and imposing transparency rules on companies like Google, Facebook and YouTube.

    “It is hard to imagine another industry in which a greater gap exists between power and accountability,” he wrote.

    Other contributors to Project 2025 include Pete Hoekstra, Mr. Trump’s former ambassador to the Netherlands and his current pick to be ambassador to Canada, as well as John Ratcliffe, Mr. Trump’s pick to lead the C.I.A.

    A former director of national intelligence, Mr. Ratcliffe was cited repeatedly in the document, including in a chapter on the intelligence community written by Dustin Carmack. Mr. Carmack was Mr. Ratcliffe’s chief of staff when he served as Mr. Trump’s director of National Intelligence in his first administration.

    Mr. Carmack made the case in Project 2025 for empowering the director of national intelligence, as the leader of the intelligence community. He also said the leader needed to “address the widely promoted ‘woke’ culture that has spread throughout the federal government with identity politics and ‘social justice’ advocacy replacing such traditional American values as patriotism, colorblindness, and even workplace competence.”

    Alex Floyd, the rapid response director of the Democratic National Committee said that “after months of lies to the American people, Donald Trump is taking off the mask.”

    “He’s plotting a Project 2025 Cabinet to enact his dangerous vision starting on day one,” Mr. Floyd said.















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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,599
    He's going to end up the most unpopular president in modern times within 2 years. Mark my words. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • He's going to end up the most unpopular president in modern times within 2 years. Mark my words. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,888
    I refuse to believe he's a master manipulator. He's a moron who has enough hate to tap into the hate in others. He's Nelson Muntz x 1000. 

    Inlaws were just here to "celebrate" the holiday . MIL was blaming all her problems on trans athletes. After ignoring her for about thirty mins my wife and I lost it on her...HAVE YOU EVER EVEN MET A TRANS PERSON? 

    A few years ago she'd blame everything on immigrants.

    So yeah, he is a master at manipulation. (Or him and his echo chamber). They know exactly what they are doing and that's why they won.
    sorry, this is the same guy that stared directly into an eclipse? the guy who suggested we get rid of covid with "really powerful light"? or bleach injections? you think that guy is a master manipulator? 

    you don't have to be a master to tap into peoples' hate. you just have to be hateful yourself. 
    The guy that does the double dong dance that his cult members love... Yeah that guy 
    Two invisible dicks?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,630
    mrussel1 said:
    I refuse to believe he's a master manipulator. He's a moron who has enough hate to tap into the hate in others. He's Nelson Muntz x 1000. 

    Inlaws were just here to "celebrate" the holiday . MIL was blaming all her problems on trans athletes. After ignoring her for about thirty mins my wife and I lost it on her...HAVE YOU EVER EVEN MET A TRANS PERSON? 

    A few years ago she'd blame everything on immigrants.

    So yeah, he is a master at manipulation. (Or him and his echo chamber). They know exactly what they are doing and that's why they won.
    sorry, this is the same guy that stared directly into an eclipse? the guy who suggested we get rid of covid with "really powerful light"? or bleach injections? you think that guy is a master manipulator? 

    you don't have to be a master to tap into peoples' hate. you just have to be hateful yourself. 
    The guy that does the double dong dance that his cult members love... Yeah that guy 
    Two invisible dicks?

    reminiscing about a pee tape night long ago....
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,999
    I refuse to believe he's a master manipulator. He's a moron who has enough hate to tap into the hate in others. He's Nelson Muntz x 1000. 

    Inlaws were just here to "celebrate" the holiday . MIL was blaming all her problems on trans athletes. After ignoring her for about thirty mins my wife and I lost it on her...HAVE YOU EVER EVEN MET A TRANS PERSON? 

    A few years ago she'd blame everything on immigrants.

    So yeah, he is a master at manipulation. (Or him and his echo chamber). They know exactly what they are doing and that's why they won.
    sorry, this is the same guy that stared directly into an eclipse? the guy who suggested we get rid of covid with "really powerful light"? or bleach injections? you think that guy is a master manipulator? 

    you don't have to be a master to tap into peoples' hate. you just have to be hateful yourself. 


    He won the presidency twice, while breaking all the norms and rules. 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,708
    I refuse to believe he's a master manipulator. He's a moron who has enough hate to tap into the hate in others. He's Nelson Muntz x 1000. 

    Inlaws were just here to "celebrate" the holiday . MIL was blaming all her problems on trans athletes. After ignoring her for about thirty mins my wife and I lost it on her...HAVE YOU EVER EVEN MET A TRANS PERSON? 

    A few years ago she'd blame everything on immigrants.

    So yeah, he is a master at manipulation. (Or him and his echo chamber). They know exactly what they are doing and that's why they won.
    sorry, this is the same guy that stared directly into an eclipse? the guy who suggested we get rid of covid with "really powerful light"? or bleach injections? you think that guy is a master manipulator? 

    you don't have to be a master to tap into peoples' hate. you just have to be hateful yourself. 


    He won the presidency twice, while breaking all the norms and rules. 
    That proves that approximately 49% of Americans believe that it’s ok if your a sexual predator or a conman you can also be the president! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,630
    I refuse to believe he's a master manipulator. He's a moron who has enough hate to tap into the hate in others. He's Nelson Muntz x 1000. 

    Inlaws were just here to "celebrate" the holiday . MIL was blaming all her problems on trans athletes. After ignoring her for about thirty mins my wife and I lost it on her...HAVE YOU EVER EVEN MET A TRANS PERSON? 

    A few years ago she'd blame everything on immigrants.

    So yeah, he is a master at manipulation. (Or him and his echo chamber). They know exactly what they are doing and that's why they won.
    sorry, this is the same guy that stared directly into an eclipse? the guy who suggested we get rid of covid with "really powerful light"? or bleach injections? you think that guy is a master manipulator? 

    you don't have to be a master to tap into peoples' hate. you just have to be hateful yourself. 


    He won the presidency twice, while breaking all the norms and rules. 
    That proves that approximately 49% of Americans believe that it’s ok if your a sexual predator or a conman you can also be the president! 

    49% of 150 million voters.

    80 million give or take didnt vote....
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    He's going to end up the most unpopular president in modern times within 2 years. Mark my words. 

    Hard to imagine otherwise.  Including quite a few who voted for him.  20-20 hindsight is a bitch.
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,630

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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,708
    mickeyrat said:


    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,619
    I refuse to believe he's a master manipulator. He's a moron who has enough hate to tap into the hate in others. He's Nelson Muntz x 1000. 

    Inlaws were just here to "celebrate" the holiday . MIL was blaming all her problems on trans athletes. After ignoring her for about thirty mins my wife and I lost it on her...HAVE YOU EVER EVEN MET A TRANS PERSON? 

    A few years ago she'd blame everything on immigrants.

    So yeah, he is a master at manipulation. (Or him and his echo chamber). They know exactly what they are doing and that's why they won.
    sorry, this is the same guy that stared directly into an eclipse? the guy who suggested we get rid of covid with "really powerful light"? or bleach injections? you think that guy is a master manipulator? 

    you don't have to be a master to tap into peoples' hate. you just have to be hateful yourself. 


    He won the presidency twice, while breaking all the norms and rules. 
    I credit the right wing echo chambers with the manipulation (with an assist from the complacent legacy media). 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,630
    OnWis97 said:
    I refuse to believe he's a master manipulator. He's a moron who has enough hate to tap into the hate in others. He's Nelson Muntz x 1000. 

    Inlaws were just here to "celebrate" the holiday . MIL was blaming all her problems on trans athletes. After ignoring her for about thirty mins my wife and I lost it on her...HAVE YOU EVER EVEN MET A TRANS PERSON? 

    A few years ago she'd blame everything on immigrants.

    So yeah, he is a master at manipulation. (Or him and his echo chamber). They know exactly what they are doing and that's why they won.
    sorry, this is the same guy that stared directly into an eclipse? the guy who suggested we get rid of covid with "really powerful light"? or bleach injections? you think that guy is a master manipulator? 

    you don't have to be a master to tap into peoples' hate. you just have to be hateful yourself. 


    He won the presidency twice, while breaking all the norms and rules. 
    I credit the right wing echo chambers with the manipulation (with an assist from the complacent legacy media). 

    complicit you mean.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,619
    I meant complacent. They seem not to appreciate the gravity of the situation.  That said, they are probably complicit, perhaps unwillingly so.
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,787

    Joe Rogan argued that the establishment media that once was friendly to President-elect Donald Trump has since been engaged in a years-long "psy-op" to convince Americans he is dangerous.

    "The Joe Rogan Experience" is one of the world’s most popular podcasts, and Rogan is seen as having been one of the key players in the 2024 election, for interviewing Trump and then endorsing his bid for the presidency in the 11th hour. The podcaster has since mocked the media for losing their credibility with voters and alienating lifelong liberals like himself.

    On Thursday's episode, with comedians Shane Gillis, Mark Normans, and Ari Shaffir, Rogan recalled how friendly people in entertainment and the media once were to Trump, playing clips from his 2012 appearance on "The View" where he was cheered, as well as when he went on Oprah in and she asked him about running for president

    Since then, "The View" has become a frequent source for apocalyptic takes about Trump, and Oprah shredded him while campaigning with Vice President Kamala Harris. Rogan argued that the abrupt shift in tone toward Trump has been shocking in retrospect, "What we saw is the greatest media psy-op in history."

    The podcast host continued to hammer legacy media.

    "What you’re seeing with Trump, regardless of his flaws, is a massive concentrated psy-op," Rogan said. "They’ve distorted who he is to the point where most people think that way. Most people think that way. They’ve had narratives."

    "What is a psy-op? I keep hearing that," Normand said.

    "Psychological operation," Rogan explained. "Where they’ve decided to distort people’s perceptions of things."

    Shaffir replied that older liberals are shocked to hear that former President Obama oversaw more deportations than Trump. "They go, ‘That doesn’t make sense.’ And you go, ‘Right, focus on what’s giving you the reality of the world,’" he said.

    Shaffir replied that older liberals are shocked to hear that former President Obama oversaw more deportations than Trump. "They go, ‘That doesn’t make sense.’ And you go, ‘Right, focus on what’s giving you the reality of the world,’" he said.

    Rogan then turned to his producer, Jamie, and asked him to show a "wild" quote from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton from 2008 where she was "saying some wild MAGA-type s---" about "illegal immigrants."

    Clinton could be heard in the recording declaring, "I think we got to have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them, no questions asked."

    "She’s a Republican," Shaffir joked.

    In the recording, Clinton continued, "If they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say, ‘Here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally. You have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English. And you have to wait in line.’"

    The guests expressed their shock at Clinton’s past comments.

    "’You have to wait in line,’ And everybody’s cheering," Rogan said. "2008. Hillary Clinton was more MAGA than Trump. But how about that? More MAGA than Trump. It’s all a f---ing illusion. It’s all a f---ing illusion. All of them, when convenient, have said the exact same things."

    Rogan argued that this election shows that the tide has turned, however.

    "They had control of the media up until now. This election was the first time they didn’t really have control of the media anymore," Rogan argued.

    When asked why this is, the podcaster replied, "Because of us, because of podcasts. Because of social media, because of X."

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