#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,097

    Russia is willing to work with President-elect Trump to help improve relations with Ukraine so long as the U.S. makes the first move, Kremlin officials said this week, adding fresh momentum for the possibility of peace talks as its war in Ukraine threatens to stretch into a third year. 

    Speaking to reporters Thursday in Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reiterated that Russia could be ready to come to the negotiating table regarding its "special military operation" in Ukraine — echoing the phrasing used by the Kremlin to describe its war in Ukraine — so long as the U.S. acted first. 

    "If the signals that are coming from the new team in Washington to restore the dialogue that Washington interrupted after the start of a special military operation [the war in Ukraine] are serious, of course, we will respond to them," Lavrov said in Moscow.

    But he stressed that the U.S. should move first, telling reporters that "the Americans broke the dialogue, so they should make the first move."

    His remarks come after Trump's pick for Ukraine envoy, retired Lieutenant-General Keith Kellogg, told Fox News in an interview this month that both Russia and Ukraine appear to be willing to negotiate an end to the war — citing heavy casualties, damage to critical infrastructure, and a general sense of exhaustion that has permeated both countries as the war drags well past the thousand-day mark.

    "I think both sides are ready," Kellogg said in the interview. "After a thousand days of war, with 350,000, 400,000 Russian [soldiers] down, and 150,000 Ukrainian dead, or numbers like that — both sides are saying, ‘okay, maybe this is the time, and we need to step back.’"

    To date, Russia has lost tens of thousands of soldiers in the war. As of this fall, an average of 1,200 soldiers were killed or injured per day, according to U.S. estimates. 

    In Ukraine, the country's energy infrastructure has seen extreme damage as the result of a protracted Russian bombing campaign, designed to collapse portions of the power grid, plunge the country into darkness, and ultimately, wear down the resolve of the Ukrainian people.

    Most recently, Russia launched a Christmas Day bombardment against Ukraine's power grid, directing some 70 cruise and ballistic missiles and 100 strike drones to hit critical energy infrastructure in the country. 

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the Christmas Day timing was a "deliberate" choice by Putin. "What could be more inhuman?" he said in a statement. 

    Meanwhile, Ukraine's military has lost around 40% of the land it seized in Russia's Kursk region — a loss that could further erode morale. 

    Lavrov's remarks also come as Kellogg prepares to travel to Ukraine in January for what he described to Fox News as an information-gathering trip. 

    He declined to elaborate further on what he will aim to accomplish during the visit, saying only that he believes both countries are ready to end the protracted war — and that incoming President Trump could serve as the "referee."

    "Think of a cage fight. You've got two fighters, and both want to tap out. You need a referee to kind of separate them."

    Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that he is open to having the peace talks in the third country of Slovakia, citing an offer made by the country's prime minister during a visit to the Kremlin earlier this week. 

    It is unclear whether Ukraine would be willing to have the talks held in Slovakia, a country whose leaders have been vehemently opposed to sending more EU military aid to Ukraine. 

    Ukraine did not immediately respond to Fox News's request for comment on the peace talks, or whether it would be open to Slovakia's offer to host. 



  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,514
    US has nothing to do with it. Its a Russia Ukraine negotiation
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,514

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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,977
    shecky said:

    Russia is willing to work with President-elect Trump to help improve relations with Ukraine so long as the U.S. makes the first move, Kremlin officials said this week, adding fresh momentum for the possibility of peace talks as its war in Ukraine threatens to stretch into a third year. 

    Speaking to reporters Thursday in Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reiterated that Russia could be ready to come to the negotiating table regarding its "special military operation" in Ukraine — echoing the phrasing used by the Kremlin to describe its war in Ukraine — so long as the U.S. acted first. 

    "If the signals that are coming from the new team in Washington to restore the dialogue that Washington interrupted after the start of a special military operation [the war in Ukraine] are serious, of course, we will respond to them," Lavrov said in Moscow.

    But he stressed that the U.S. should move first, telling reporters that "the Americans broke the dialogue, so they should make the first move."

    His remarks come after Trump's pick for Ukraine envoy, retired Lieutenant-General Keith Kellogg, told Fox News in an interview this month that both Russia and Ukraine appear to be willing to negotiate an end to the war — citing heavy casualties, damage to critical infrastructure, and a general sense of exhaustion that has permeated both countries as the war drags well past the thousand-day mark.

    "I think both sides are ready," Kellogg said in the interview. "After a thousand days of war, with 350,000, 400,000 Russian [soldiers] down, and 150,000 Ukrainian dead, or numbers like that — both sides are saying, ‘okay, maybe this is the time, and we need to step back.’"

    To date, Russia has lost tens of thousands of soldiers in the war. As of this fall, an average of 1,200 soldiers were killed or injured per day, according to U.S. estimates. 

    In Ukraine, the country's energy infrastructure has seen extreme damage as the result of a protracted Russian bombing campaign, designed to collapse portions of the power grid, plunge the country into darkness, and ultimately, wear down the resolve of the Ukrainian people.

    Most recently, Russia launched a Christmas Day bombardment against Ukraine's power grid, directing some 70 cruise and ballistic missiles and 100 strike drones to hit critical energy infrastructure in the country. 

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the Christmas Day timing was a "deliberate" choice by Putin. "What could be more inhuman?" he said in a statement. 

    Meanwhile, Ukraine's military has lost around 40% of the land it seized in Russia's Kursk region — a loss that could further erode morale. 

    Lavrov's remarks also come as Kellogg prepares to travel to Ukraine in January for what he described to Fox News as an information-gathering trip. 

    He declined to elaborate further on what he will aim to accomplish during the visit, saying only that he believes both countries are ready to end the protracted war — and that incoming President Trump could serve as the "referee."

    "Think of a cage fight. You've got two fighters, and both want to tap out. You need a referee to kind of separate them."

    Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that he is open to having the peace talks in the third country of Slovakia, citing an offer made by the country's prime minister during a visit to the Kremlin earlier this week. 

    It is unclear whether Ukraine would be willing to have the talks held in Slovakia, a country whose leaders have been vehemently opposed to sending more EU military aid to Ukraine. 

    Ukraine did not immediately respond to Fox News's request for comment on the peace talks, or whether it would be open to Slovakia's offer to host. 



    Yeah Ok how about Russia gets the fuck out of Ukraine all together they are the ones that invaded Ukraine! 
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  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,140
    mickeyrat said:
    US has nothing to do with it. Its a Russia Ukraine negotiation
    You’re right it has nothing to do with us which is why we shouldn’t be continuing the slaughter by financing it.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,977
    mickeyrat said:
    US has nothing to do with it. Its a Russia Ukraine negotiation
    You’re right it has nothing to do with us which is why we shouldn’t be continuing the slaughter by financing it.
    Wrong Ukraine needs to keep defending themselves from the aggressors who invaded their country! What slaughter are you referring too? Surely you’d defend your home against invaders no? Or would you negotiate to let them keep the kitchen? 
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  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,140
    mickeyrat said:
    US has nothing to do with it. Its a Russia Ukraine negotiation
    You’re right it has nothing to do with us which is why we shouldn’t be continuing the slaughter by financing it.
    Wrong Ukraine needs to keep defending themselves from the aggressors who invaded their country! What slaughter are you referring too? Surely you’d defend your home against invaders no? Or would you negotiate to let them keep the kitchen? 
    What slaughter?  Omg, what slaughter?  You do live in a bubble buddy.   Nobody will take you seriously if you deny basic reality.

  • mickeyrat said:
    US has nothing to do with it. Its a Russia Ukraine negotiation
    You’re right it has nothing to do with us which is why we shouldn’t be continuing the slaughter by financing it.
    Wrong Ukraine needs to keep defending themselves from the aggressors who invaded their country! What slaughter are you referring too? Surely you’d defend your home against invaders no? Or would you negotiate to let them keep the kitchen? 
    What slaughter?  Omg, what slaughter?  You do live in a bubble buddy.   Nobody will take you seriously if you deny basic reality.

    Should you (the US) have continued on the slaughter in Europe in the 40s like you did, or not have prolonged it and stayed away from helping out?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    mickeyrat said:
    US has nothing to do with it. Its a Russia Ukraine negotiation
    You’re right it has nothing to do with us which is why we shouldn’t be continuing the slaughter by financing it.
    So your concern for the Ukraine people leads you to think they would be better off living under the iron thumb of Russia yet again, rather than fighting for their freedom?  

    Would that be your choice were you a man in that position in Ukraine? To live as a vassal, not a free man?
  • Hawk123Hawk123 Posts: 2,212
    edited December 28
    mickeyrat said:
    US has nothing to do with it. Its a Russia Ukraine negotiation
    You’re right it has nothing to do with us which is why we shouldn’t be continuing the slaughter by financing it.
    Wrong Ukraine needs to keep defending themselves from the aggressors who invaded their country! What slaughter are you referring too? Surely you’d defend your home against invaders no? Or would you negotiate to let them keep the kitchen? 
    What slaughter?  Omg, what slaughter?  You do live in a bubble buddy.   Nobody will take you seriously if you deny basic reality.

    Explain how this should’ve played out in your mind since we obviously disagree. Russia invades Ukraine on Feb 24, 2022 and starts to slaughter, to use your word, babies, elderly, innocent Ukrainians. What happens now? 
    Post edited by Hawk123 on
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,514
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,977
    mickeyrat said:
    US has nothing to do with it. Its a Russia Ukraine negotiation
    You’re right it has nothing to do with us which is why we shouldn’t be continuing the slaughter by financing it.
    Wrong Ukraine needs to keep defending themselves from the aggressors who invaded their country! What slaughter are you referring too? Surely you’d defend your home against invaders no? Or would you negotiate to let them keep the kitchen? 
    What slaughter?  Omg, what slaughter?  You do live in a bubble buddy.   Nobody will take you seriously if you deny basic reality.

    Yes I know the slaughter is of Ukrainian citizens that’s the slaughter that matters to me! 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,609
    Lol
     
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    Lol
     
    America First when it comes to low paying jobs that were can’t get anyone to do here, but sure let’s bring in highly skilled workers from India.  Repulsive. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,609
    mrussel1 said:
    Lol
     
    America First when it comes to low paying jobs that were can’t get anyone to do here, but sure let’s bring in highly skilled workers from India.  Repulsive. 
    “America First” because no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. 
  • Hawk123Hawk123 Posts: 2,212
    Lol
     
    Clown show, Trump had an issue with these until President Musk said he was all good with them. President Musk running the show 
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