#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    The idolization of Putin and Russia by the American right totally tracks. Its just wild.
  • Choccoloccotide
    Choccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,235
    Hawk123 said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    what was the deal?

  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,220
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
    Tim Simmons said:
    what was the deal?

    Yea. Please do share the deal. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
    Russia agreed to leave? What does X say?
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    Tim Simmons said:
    he would have to give up his independent country. How is that acceptable? Why are we acting like what Russia is doing is totally fine? Even just giving them an inch on this?

    100%, To say nothing of the fact that if they had surrendered immediately they would have been slaughtered en masse anyway.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    The alternate history where Ukraine cedes some territory and that's the end of it and everyone goes about their day is delusional 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    Tim Simmons said:
    The idolization of Putin and Russia by the American right totally tracks. Its just wild.
    Don't leave out the Roger Waters/Jimmy Dore/Glenn Greenwald left in this coalition 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    Ha. Gotta close the horseshoe
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    ”Our No-War president!”

    untill he attacks Iran in an attempt to stay in power FDR style

    then it’s

    ”Wee! Let’s kill brown people again like our second greatest president W did!”
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    brianlux said:

     I hate to say this, because I don't like to see people suffer, but I think this has to happen.  It's like how sometimes an addict has to hit bottom and then sink or swim.  


    I think this is exactly spot on. America as a country decided. We deserve what we get.

    I agree, though it's hugely unfortunate that we will all pay the price of electing a hateful dictator.  The blowback will be harsh.  All but the most wealthy will feel the pinch. People are going to struggle.  The question is, will voters who allowed this to happen learn from it?  Will they learn to fact check and think critically?  Or will they remain ignorant and prone to believing lies?  We shall see.
    We are due for an economic correction. Better that it happens under trump this time. That's the only good I see coming from this.

    To be determined is if the electorate will blame him. 
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
    Still waiting for that link…
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    My worry is that it starts under Trump but gets going in 4 years, possibly with a Democratic president and that president gets blamed for it.

  • bootleg
    bootleg Posts: 1,207
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    brianlux said:

     I hate to say this, because I don't like to see people suffer, but I think this has to happen.  It's like how sometimes an addict has to hit bottom and then sink or swim.  


    I think this is exactly spot on. America as a country decided. We deserve what we get.

    I agree, though it's hugely unfortunate that we will all pay the price of electing a hateful dictator.  The blowback will be harsh.  All but the most wealthy will feel the pinch. People are going to struggle.  The question is, will voters who allowed this to happen learn from it?  Will they learn to fact check and think critically?  Or will they remain ignorant and prone to believing lies?  We shall see.
    The tragic part is that Harris’ economic policies would have benefited the majority of MAGA more than they would have ever benefited me directly.  But I try to look out for others that are less fortunate and understand that a rising tide lifts all boats.  But now I’m going to turn inward, protect myself and those that I care about from the damage that is about to come.  I’ll be fine, I can ride out the pain and unfortunately it will be MAGA that suffers the most.  I hope it was worth “owning the libs”, you know those people that were looking out for you whether you knew it or not.
  • Choccoloccotide
    Choccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,235
    edited November 2024
    nicknyr15 said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
    Tim Simmons said:
    what was the deal?

    Yea. Please do share the deal. 
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  • Spurs14
    Spurs14 Buffalo Grove, IL Posts: 330
    Tass???!!!  Wow. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    come on man

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    Heres a more direct question. Do you think Ukraine, as a sovereign nation, is entitled to their boarders from just before the Russian invasion.

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    Again, WILD to carry Russia's water.

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    edited November 2024
    when your citation for your argument relies on news sourcing from a country known for misinformation, and a 30 minute YouTube also using the same source, you’re argument is kinda cooked. 

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