** KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT -PART DEUX **
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he actually spoke 5 minutes more than her....he was going outside of the boundaries for sure. They were giving him leewaymace1229 said:
I actually didn't think that part was that bad. They said they would get a 1 minute rebuttal. It looked like to me Trump would just take that 1 minute without waiting to be prompted to respond, so it might have looked like he was just going off. Or he'd ask for a rebuttal before moving on and they'd grant it to him. The time seemed fair and within the rules that they set.Gern Blansten said:
It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.Halifax2TheMax said:Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.
“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.
“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”
He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.
I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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It's better where I am now. But for the 10 years I lived in Colorado it was terrible. I'd pay $1000 and my employer would pay about $1200 a month for premiums. When I'd look into the market place I'd see comparable coverage for about $1200-1400, but my employer wouldn't contribute towards it it we switched. And I'm not sure if I'd even qualify for the market place since I had employer sponsored benefits anyway. If I could get market place prices through our employer, it wouldn't have been so bad. But that's not how it worked.Gern Blansten said:
they are high...but they aren't any worse then beforeteskeinc said:
I’ll take your word then. When I checked for myself, the premiums seemed crazy high but my income was probably way too high to get subsidies then.Gern Blansten said:
As someone who has been on it for years that is false. Also...as someone who prepares about 700 individual tax returns each year I can tell you that the marketplace plans are perfect for low and middle income people. The subsidies they receive for premiums make their plans affordable. For those of us that don't qualify for subsidies I can tell you that the premiums suck but they wouldn't be any better without the marketplace. My insurance premium now is not much more than I was paying Anthem 20 years ago prior to the marketplace.teskeinc said:
He’s never had a plan for healthcare. He’s not working on a plan. The Affordable Care Act or Obamacare is terrible if you’ve ever looked at one of the exchanges. It’s not affordable for most. But the websites are set up and available.josevolution said:So again with we have a really good healthcare plan or several plans we’ve talked about! Really so since 2016 till now you’ve been working on a plan/plans for healthcare and you can’t name it? Maybe his under the impression that the plan is for the whole world?
What did you end up doing? It seems like there are still some plans outside of the marketplace that seem better if you don't have any pre-existing conditions, etc.
I have a few clients that stuck with their Anthem plans and their premiums are ridiculous.0 -
Best headline that I’ve seen thus far. From David Frum at The Atlantic:
HOW HARRIS ROPED A DOPE
She stayed human when Trump went feral.
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Likely .25% next week and .5-.75% couple months later. Giddy up.Gern Blansten said:Good inflation news today....rate cuts coming soon.www.myspace.com0 -
Harris spoke 23 times for 37 minutes.mace1229 said:
I actually didn't think that part was that bad. They said they would get a 1 minute rebuttal. It looked like to me Trump would just take that 1 minute without waiting to be prompted to respond, so it might have looked like he was just going off. Or he'd ask for a rebuttal before moving on and they'd grant it to him. The time seemed fair and within the rules that they set.Gern Blansten said:
It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.Halifax2TheMax said:Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.
“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.
“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”
He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.
I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?
Trump spoke 39 times for 42 minutes.
They always seemed to let him get the last word....which worked to his detriment because he is an aging lunatic.www.myspace.com0 -
It likely doesn't matter but I did kind of wish she would have responded a bit more just to call out blatant lies.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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If it was any other elderly person you'd feel bad for them that this strong woman was dominating him.njhaley1 said:
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I was driving in the car listening to that part of the debate and basically yelling at her to mention the troops lost and not let Trump be the one to say something, but even he botched it. I really thought she missed a great opportunity there to bridge the gap with the families and at least recognize that terrible tragedy in what was overall the right decision to leave for good.cincybearcat said:
She destroyed him. She was nearly flawless in how she handled him.PJ_Soul said:So I can't stomach Trump ever, so couldn't watch the debate. Do you all truly think Harris mopped the floor with him, or is it bias talking? Of course I would find it hard to believe he wasn't clobbered, but since I honestly can't handle watching any of it, I would love kind of a non-biased (biased but from a super rational viewpint) confirmation, lol. Apologies for not being able to conform for myself - I have my mental health to take care of!
I wish she would have answered more questions though. And I was stunned she answered the Afghanistan question but talking about $ and never mentioned the people lost. Very trumpiam answer.
But that is nitpicking. She was terrific.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Someone else in the neighborhood already has "maga agn" so I had to come up with something different.Johnny Abruzzo said:
If it was any other elderly person you'd feel bad for them that this strong woman was dominating him.njhaley1 said:
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The rules get a bit odd and it does depend on the size of your employer. For small businesses I always recommend getting rid of the group plans and having employees just go to the marketplace. Just increase salaries to cover the premium and it works out fine.mace1229 said:
It's better where I am now. But for the 10 years I lived in Colorado it was terrible. I'd pay $1000 and my employer would pay about $1200 a month for premiums. When I'd look into the market place I'd see comparable coverage for about $1200-1400, but my employer wouldn't contribute towards it it we switched. And I'm not sure if I'd even qualify for the market place since I had employer sponsored benefits anyway. If I could get market place prices through our employer, it wouldn't have been so bad. But that's not how it worked.Gern Blansten said:
they are high...but they aren't any worse then beforeteskeinc said:
I’ll take your word then. When I checked for myself, the premiums seemed crazy high but my income was probably way too high to get subsidies then.Gern Blansten said:
As someone who has been on it for years that is false. Also...as someone who prepares about 700 individual tax returns each year I can tell you that the marketplace plans are perfect for low and middle income people. The subsidies they receive for premiums make their plans affordable. For those of us that don't qualify for subsidies I can tell you that the premiums suck but they wouldn't be any better without the marketplace. My insurance premium now is not much more than I was paying Anthem 20 years ago prior to the marketplace.teskeinc said:
He’s never had a plan for healthcare. He’s not working on a plan. The Affordable Care Act or Obamacare is terrible if you’ve ever looked at one of the exchanges. It’s not affordable for most. But the websites are set up and available.josevolution said:So again with we have a really good healthcare plan or several plans we’ve talked about! Really so since 2016 till now you’ve been working on a plan/plans for healthcare and you can’t name it? Maybe his under the impression that the plan is for the whole world?
What did you end up doing? It seems like there are still some plans outside of the marketplace that seem better if you don't have any pre-existing conditions, etc.
I have a few clients that stuck with their Anthem plans and their premiums are ridiculous.
I did that with our employees and they loved it. I was paying them more than the premium they were being charged and it was great for me because future increases were on them. Of course the increased salary resulted in more of an increase each year with raises but a 3-5% pay raise annually is better than a 10% premium increase. And, it made the employees watch their funds rather than just taking what I was providing which may have been more than they needed.
Larger employees (50 employees or greater) are a different animal.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Yeah I was worried with the first question about the "are you better off today than 4 years ago"---when she gave that canned answer. I was hoping that she'd mix in a little about how far we've come but that she understands people are still struggling and that she knows we have a lot of work left to do. But, as you said, Trump botched his retort as usual.tbergs said:
I was driving in the car listening to that part of the debate and basically yelling at her to mention the troops lost and not let Trump be the one to say something, but even he botched it. I really thought she missed a great opportunity there to bridge the gap with the families and at least recognize that terrible tragedy in what was overall the right decision to leave for good.cincybearcat said:
She destroyed him. She was nearly flawless in how she handled him.PJ_Soul said:So I can't stomach Trump ever, so couldn't watch the debate. Do you all truly think Harris mopped the floor with him, or is it bias talking? Of course I would find it hard to believe he wasn't clobbered, but since I honestly can't handle watching any of it, I would love kind of a non-biased (biased but from a super rational viewpint) confirmation, lol. Apologies for not being able to conform for myself - I have my mental health to take care of!
I wish she would have answered more questions though. And I was stunned she answered the Afghanistan question but talking about $ and never mentioned the people lost. Very trumpiam answer.
But that is nitpicking. She was terrific.
As bad as Biden was in June, Trump was about as bad, albeit in a different way, last night. A truly awful performance. He was outclassed.www.myspace.com0 -
I think his strategy was clearly to just be loud and mad. She threw him off from the beginning with the hand shake and then by mentioning people leaving during his rallies. We've all seen the videos. They do get bored and leave after listening to the same droning for an hour.
Then she hits him with being a laughing stock and he couldn't get that stupid look off of his face the rest of the night.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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welpTim Simmons said:
Nah. It’s gonna be “biased ABC moderators fed her the questions before hand and George slopadopolis helped!”gimmesometruth27 said:trump knows he lost the debate tonight.
get ready for the doom and gloom closing statement from him.
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I cannot imagine they planed for him to appear loud and mad--that does not play well with the group he is vulnerable with: women. They most likely wanted him to act like he did back in June where he let Biden shit all over himself.Gern Blansten said:I think his strategy was clearly to just be loud and mad. She threw him off from the beginning with the hand shake and then by mentioning people leaving during his rallies. We've all seen the videos. They do get bored and leave after listening to the same droning for an hour.
Then she hits him with being a laughing stock and he couldn't get that stupid look off of his face the rest of the night.
But as you said, he cannot contain himself and gets thrown off by the slightest insult.
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2 debates, each one featured an old man who needs to drop out of the race and is too old and unfit for the job.The Juggler said:tbergs said:
I was driving in the car listening to that part of the debate and basically yelling at her to mention the troops lost and not let Trump be the one to say something, but even he botched it. I really thought she missed a great opportunity there to bridge the gap with the families and at least recognize that terrible tragedy in what was overall the right decision to leave for good.cincybearcat said:
She destroyed him. She was nearly flawless in how she handled him.PJ_Soul said:So I can't stomach Trump ever, so couldn't watch the debate. Do you all truly think Harris mopped the floor with him, or is it bias talking? Of course I would find it hard to believe he wasn't clobbered, but since I honestly can't handle watching any of it, I would love kind of a non-biased (biased but from a super rational viewpint) confirmation, lol. Apologies for not being able to conform for myself - I have my mental health to take care of!
I wish she would have answered more questions though. And I was stunned she answered the Afghanistan question but talking about $ and never mentioned the people lost. Very trumpiam answer.
But that is nitpicking. She was terrific.
As bad as Biden was in June, Trump was about as bad, albeit in a different way, last night. A truly awful performance. He was outclassed.This weekend we rock Portland0 -
Like this?teskeinc said:How are swing state voters going to react to Kamala’s 2019 questionnaire?Kamala Harris supports tax-payer funded gender transition surgeries for migrants! 😂😂😂😂
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Agreed, but once Biden stepped down, age and diminished mental capacity stopped being a hang-up for people.Poncier said:
2 debates, each one featured an old man who needs to drop out of the race and is too old and unfit for the job.The Juggler said:tbergs said:
I was driving in the car listening to that part of the debate and basically yelling at her to mention the troops lost and not let Trump be the one to say something, but even he botched it. I really thought she missed a great opportunity there to bridge the gap with the families and at least recognize that terrible tragedy in what was overall the right decision to leave for good.cincybearcat said:
She destroyed him. She was nearly flawless in how she handled him.PJ_Soul said:So I can't stomach Trump ever, so couldn't watch the debate. Do you all truly think Harris mopped the floor with him, or is it bias talking? Of course I would find it hard to believe he wasn't clobbered, but since I honestly can't handle watching any of it, I would love kind of a non-biased (biased but from a super rational viewpint) confirmation, lol. Apologies for not being able to conform for myself - I have my mental health to take care of!
I wish she would have answered more questions though. And I was stunned she answered the Afghanistan question but talking about $ and never mentioned the people lost. Very trumpiam answer.
But that is nitpicking. She was terrific.
As bad as Biden was in June, Trump was about as bad, albeit in a different way, last night. A truly awful performance. He was outclassed.
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