** KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT -PART DEUX **

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

that pet shit is fucked. like...WTF are the republicans clinging to? they seem mentally ill

Something about immigrants eating pets, right?? I mean.... probably not crazier than pedophile rings being run out of pizza joint basements or whatever the fuck, lol. For them, immigrants eating pets is about as crazy as grandma walking to the corner store.

PJ_Soul

Just happened to land on this, lol.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

I would never expect Trump.supporters to turn at this point. Ever. No matter what. I would like to see that replacing poor fucked over Biden with Harris moved the needle.

Thanks for all responses. Hugh, Canadian perspective matters.

And we appreciate the perspective of our northern neighbors, thanks!

Same for you, HughFreakingDillon

brianlux

Earlier today, a friend of ours said, "I'll be watching "Lady and the Tramp" on ABC tonight. 

teskeinc

I thought it was a solid performance by Kamala. She seemed nervous the first 15-20 minutes but then settled in. She dodged the questions she needed to stay away from and pivoted to her “opportunity economy” whenever she got in trouble. But she stayed composed and really got under Trumps skin 30 min in when mentioning crowd size and people walking out.

Trump started out fairly strong but then became angry 30 min in. He avoided the question on if he would veto a national abortion ban. Looked bad on the question on if he would have done anything different on Jan 6th. His closing statement was very strong in my opinion and having the last word probably softened the damage Kamala inflicted. 

The fact checking of Trump during the debate seemed a little too one sided imo. Leave that for the analysis after. That’s not a moderators job.

Overall Kamala won. Not on the issues or policy but demeanor and delivery. The debate was light on ideas and policy and both went to straight attacking each other. I would expect a small bump for Kamala but at the end of the day no matter how much she wants to turn the page she has to still defend her record. 

Kamala - B
Trump - C
 

brianlux

Good (gifted) NY Times article here that fact-checks the debate.  Harris made a few minor "false" and a few "needs context" , but Trump overwhelming proved himself to be as untruthful and uninformed as ever. 

Surprised?  Nah!

Check it out, gratis:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/debate-trump-harris-fact-check?unlocked_article_code=1.J04.1wwW.h5WQGLfXr1wW&smid=url-share

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

So I can't stomach Trump ever, so couldn't watch the debate. Do you all truly think Harris mopped the floor with him, or is it bias talking? Of course I would find it hard to believe he wasn't clobbered, but since I honestly can't handle watching any of it, I would love kind of a non-biased (biased but from a super rational viewpint) confirmation, lol. Apologies for not being able to conform for myself - I have my mental health to take care of!

 

I agree a lot with Teskeinc. I just didn’t think either one did great. But Trump did more poorly than Harris.
I wouldn’t call it a mopping. She just did less poorly. 

She didn’t answer a lot of questions, came across as just saying memorized talking points rather than discussing the topics.
Trump missed some easy opportunities by not answering some questions on abortion and Jan 6. And his comments about let’s getting eaten make him look ridiculous.

mace1229

I just turned on the news and Trump is saying he won by a lot. So I don’t know now.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

So I can't stomach Trump ever, so couldn't watch the debate. Do you all truly think Harris mopped the floor with him, or is it bias talking? Of course I would find it hard to believe he wasn't clobbered, but since I honestly can't handle watching any of it, I would love kind of a non-biased (biased but from a super rational viewpint) confirmation, lol. Apologies for not being able to conform for myself - I have my mental health to take care of!

 

She destroyed him. She was nearly flawless in how she handled him.

I wish she would have answered more questions though. And I was stunned she answered the Afghanistan question but talking about $ and never mentioned the people lost. Very trumpiam answer.

But that is nitpicking. She was terrific.

cincybearcat

teskeinc said:

I thought it was a solid performance by Kamala. She seemed nervous the first 15-20 minutes but then settled in. She dodged the questions she needed to stay away from and pivoted to her “opportunity economy” whenever she got in trouble. But she stayed composed and really got under Trumps skin 30 min in when mentioning crowd size and people walking out.

Trump started out fairly strong but then became angry 30 min in. He avoided the question on if he would veto a national abortion ban. Looked bad on the question on if he would have done anything different on Jan 6th. His closing statement was very strong in my opinion and having the last word probably softened the damage Kamala inflicted. 

The fact checking of Trump during the debate seemed a little too one sided imo. Leave that for the analysis after. That’s not a moderators job.

Overall Kamala won. Not on the issues or policy but demeanor and delivery. The debate was light on ideas and policy and both went to straight attacking each other. I would expect a small bump for Kamala but at the end of the day no matter how much she wants to turn the page she has to still defend her record. 

Kamala - B
Trump - C
 

Fact checking is a moderators job. You simply can’t let people lie. Egregious lies.

even my dead pet puppy who gotten eaten in Springdale knew that before he was BBQ’d.

JesseMcK

Funny - other than the Trump/Biden debate, I thought this was the most lopsided presidential debate of my lifetime (going back to Bush/Gore when I was in HS).

The bar is so low for Trump. We've all become used to his clipped way of speaking, but he physically looked terrible, and every answer he gave was a rant about some shit you need to be on Truth Social to understand. I've read a lot of "his closing remarks were strong" commentary today and they really weren't. He was hunched over and clammy looking, yelling into a podium in incomplete sentences. It was only fine if we're grading on a steep curve.

I really thought she fucking killed him. She dodged questions in a roundabout way which is what all politicians do in debates, but was generally on point and effective. 

As to the moderators they 100% held Trump's feet more to the fire than they did Harris. I'm sure that's what his supporters will clutch to today. But I thought it was an excellent way to moderate. I wish they had done more of the same to Harris.

njhaley1

Ah well, if he's saying he won by a lot, it must be true. 

Probably got the highest percentages ever seen for a convicted rapist and felon. 

josevolution

So again with we have a really good healthcare plan or several plans we’ve talked about! Really so since 2016 till now you’ve been working on a plan/plans for healthcare and you can’t name it? Maybe his under the impression that the plan is for the whole world?

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

I don't think she should debate again.  You can't do better than a beat down

Trump's ego will insist on another debate, "on his terms". His team won't let him do it. 

He was tweeting about having another one...my guess is that his team feels like Harris will be demanding one given how awful trump did and they are just heading off that surprise. He won't do it....no way.

teskeinc

josevolution said:

So again with we have a really good healthcare plan or several plans we’ve talked about! Really so since 2016 till now you’ve been working on a plan/plans for healthcare and you can’t name it? Maybe his under the impression that the plan is for the whole world?

He’s never had a plan for healthcare. He’s not working on a plan. The Affordable Care Act or Obamacare is terrible if you’ve ever looked at one of the exchanges. It’s not affordable for most. But the websites are set up and available. 

Gern Blansten

PJ_Soul said:

So I can't stomach Trump ever, so couldn't watch the debate. Do you all truly think Harris mopped the floor with him, or is it bias talking? Of course I would find it hard to believe he wasn't clobbered, but since I honestly can't handle watching any of it, I would love kind of a non-biased (biased but from a super rational viewpint) confirmation, lol. Apologies for not being able to conform for myself - I have my mental health to take care of!

 

His people will say he won but she was the only true presidential candidate up there. He spoke and acted like a fool. The bullshit coming out of his mouth about aborting babies the moment prior to birth, executing them after birth, immigrants eating dogs and cats, etc., was just weird.

Her walking over and shaking his hand at HIS podium was great. I figured she would do that. I'm thinking they probably agreed ahead of time to not shake hands and it surprised him.

njhaley1

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

I don't think she should debate again.  You can't do better than a beat down

Trump's ego will insist on another debate, "on his terms". His team won't let him do it. 

He was tweeting about having another one...my guess is that his team feels like Harris will be demanding one given how awful trump did and they are just heading off that surprise. He won't do it....no way.

Gern Blansten

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.

“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.

“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”

He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.

It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.

I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?

Tim Simmons

I love that this goober can’t even fathom that people prepare and study up for stuff. 

njhaley1

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.

“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.

“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”

He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.

It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.

I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?

I agree, but perhaps this was their way around the open mic limitation. 

It hurt her a little not being able to respond (who are these Wharton professors? Which national leaders are calling you, exactly?) but in the end they gave him just enough rope to hang himself. Might not have been thick enough for his fat ass, but it was long enough.