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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,920
    teskeinc said:
    josevolution said:
    I’m just hoping she doesn’t fumble the debate she has to make him own all his disasters and make him come unhinged on live tv 
    Trump rambles the same thing every debate. If he were to just hammer Kamala on the border and economy for 90 minutes she would be in trouble. But you know he can’t, he will go off on his tangents, tell a few lies and exaggerations like he did vs Biden.

    They had a deal on the border a year ago, something that your guy vetoed to score political points

    One minute it will take to make your point look like a complete lie.

    so sleepy joe did it on his own, and crossings are down 50%. Next.
  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    😂😂😂 No, it was me who killed the bi-partisan bill. Johnson is a friend of mine, I told him to axe it. My bad.
  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    benjs said:
    teskeinc said:
    josevolution said:
    I’m just hoping she doesn’t fumble the debate she has to make him own all his disasters and make him come unhinged on live tv 
    Trump rambles the same thing every debate. If he were to just hammer Kamala on the border and economy for 90 minutes she would be in trouble. But you know he can’t, he will go off on his tangents, tell a few lies and exaggerations like he did vs Biden.
    Shame he’s not competent, coherent, knowledgeable or rigorous enough to prove a debate threat. 
    You saw the last debate? The one where he beat Joe Biden so brutally that Pelosi and Clooney had to replace him? Just sit back and do as your told. Don’t get too comfortable with Kamala, they might choose someone else if she drops in the polls in the next couple of weeks. Tampon Tim is struggling to defend why he retired 2 years early when he was called for deployment to Iraq too.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,490
    edited August 2024
    Kamala Harris
    Someone claiming a guy who WAS IN THE MILITARY but retired TWO FULL YEARS BEFORE AN ACTIVE DEPLOYMENT to run for congress is somehow a coward for doing so, is a disgrace to your vets. 
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,490
    Kamala Harris
    For those struggling with who to vote for, saw this post on facebook:

    I'm not gonna lie, watching the online discourse regarding the US election almost has be wanting to shut down my page.

    Here's the thing... I'm not American. I don't want to step foot in that country anymore. It's a fascist nation that's the single largest driving force behind capitalism ruining this planet.

    Both big politicical parties there are pro corporate, both are pro colonialist, both support active genocides. 

    Neither will save the US from itself.

    But I don't think US citizens understand the power dynamics at play in their own country.

    You're trapped in a 2 party system because mathematically, your electoral system will always strongly trend towards a 2 party system. The Electoral College, much like First Past the Post, is a winner-takes-all Plurality voting system... these systems are destined to entrench existing concentrations of power.

    I'm a far left anarchist. I don't think any of the Democratic party candidates are left leaning. They're not. They've all supported some horrible shit. Many of them are responsible for a whole lot of death.

    But here's the thing... if you're in the US, you're currently stuck in a trolley problem.

    You can try to convince yourself that both parties are equally bad... but the reality is, while they're both bad, one is far, far worse.

    All of the human rights protections the Republicans are trying to roll back... members of the other party wrote most of those. 

    Both sides are bad. One of those sides is celebrated by neonazis, the other is hated by them.

    The Democrats, as bad as they are, aren't courting neonazis.

    The US election also has effects across the globe. If a Republican government successfully rolls out the plans outlined in Project 2025, not only is it going to result in genocide on US soil, it's also going to result in them using the full force of the military industrial complex against anyone who disagrees with them.

    Like, this is what's at stake.

    Criticize the democrats all you want... they fucking deserve it... but if I was in the US I'd be voting Democrat WHILE cursing about how shit they are because, quite frankly, I don't want to see another world war, and I don't think the marginalized people in the US deserve to be the victims of an all out genocide on US soil.

    I'd vote that way, vomit in a trash can on the way out, and then I'd go right back to advocating for anticapitalism, antiracism, decolonization, disability rights, radical queer rights, anti-patriarchy, and anarchosocialism.

    I don't want nazis getting any more power than they already have, and neither should anyone else. I will use the means I have available to prevent it. For me, voting is part of that.

    If you're an American and you wanna vote 3rd party, or you don't wanna vote, that's fine... just please stop telling leftists they're bad leftists for trying to keep the candidate and party that is demonstrably far worse out of power.

    Call me a bad leftist if you like. I refuse to remain inactive in these kinds of bad vs worse trolley problems.
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,617
    Kamala Harris
    teskeinc said:
    😂😂😂 No, it was me who killed the bi-partisan bill. Johnson is a friend of mine, I told him to axe it. My bad.
    Ok then, who did kill the bipartisan immigration bill? 
  • njhaley1
    njhaley1 Valley of the Sun Posts: 877
    Kamala Harris
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Someone claiming a guy who WAS IN THE MILITARY but retired TWO FULL YEARS BEFORE AN ACTIVE DEPLOYMENT to run for congress is somehow a coward for doing so, is a disgrace to your vets. 
    1) it was 3mos before his unit was called up, but your point still stands
    https://apnews.com/article/walz-national-guard-military-ae43d684bf1319e535f9f620552155d7

    2) after 24yrs of service he can retire whenever he damn well pleases. Military service isn't a prison sentence, it's a volunteer army and he served 24yrs longer than 95% of Americans including the dipsh*t you replied to, 20yrs longer than the other candidate, and 4yrs longer than my dad who was a career Naval officer.

    Not that any of this is a goddamned competition. Service is service and the only one TFG serves is HIMSELF. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,490
    Kamala Harris
    Exactly
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,277
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    For those struggling with who to vote for, saw this post on facebook:

    I'm not gonna lie, watching the online discourse regarding the US election almost has be wanting to shut down my page.

    Here's the thing... I'm not American. I don't want to step foot in that country anymore. It's a fascist nation that's the single largest driving force behind capitalism ruining this planet.

    Both big politicical parties there are pro corporate, both are pro colonialist, both support active genocides. 

    Neither will save the US from itself.

    But I don't think US citizens understand the power dynamics at play in their own country.

    You're trapped in a 2 party system because mathematically, your electoral system will always strongly trend towards a 2 party system. The Electoral College, much like First Past the Post, is a winner-takes-all Plurality voting system... these systems are destined to entrench existing concentrations of power.

    I'm a far left anarchist. I don't think any of the Democratic party candidates are left leaning. They're not. They've all supported some horrible shit. Many of them are responsible for a whole lot of death.

    But here's the thing... if you're in the US, you're currently stuck in a trolley problem.

    You can try to convince yourself that both parties are equally bad... but the reality is, while they're both bad, one is far, far worse.

    All of the human rights protections the Republicans are trying to roll back... members of the other party wrote most of those. 

    Both sides are bad. One of those sides is celebrated by neonazis, the other is hated by them.

    The Democrats, as bad as they are, aren't courting neonazis.

    The US election also has effects across the globe. If a Republican government successfully rolls out the plans outlined in Project 2025, not only is it going to result in genocide on US soil, it's also going to result in them using the full force of the military industrial complex against anyone who disagrees with them.

    Like, this is what's at stake.

    Criticize the democrats all you want... they fucking deserve it... but if I was in the US I'd be voting Democrat WHILE cursing about how shit they are because, quite frankly, I don't want to see another world war, and I don't think the marginalized people in the US deserve to be the victims of an all out genocide on US soil.

    I'd vote that way, vomit in a trash can on the way out, and then I'd go right back to advocating for anticapitalism, antiracism, decolonization, disability rights, radical queer rights, anti-patriarchy, and anarchosocialism.

    I don't want nazis getting any more power than they already have, and neither should anyone else. I will use the means I have available to prevent it. For me, voting is part of that.

    If you're an American and you wanna vote 3rd party, or you don't wanna vote, that's fine... just please stop telling leftists they're bad leftists for trying to keep the candidate and party that is demonstrably far worse out of power.

    Call me a bad leftist if you like. I refuse to remain inactive in these kinds of bad vs worse trolley problems.
    Hope the author wears a mask.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    teskeinc said:
    benjs said:
    teskeinc said:
    josevolution said:
    I’m just hoping she doesn’t fumble the debate she has to make him own all his disasters and make him come unhinged on live tv 
    Trump rambles the same thing every debate. If he were to just hammer Kamala on the border and economy for 90 minutes she would be in trouble. But you know he can’t, he will go off on his tangents, tell a few lies and exaggerations like he did vs Biden.
    Shame he’s not competent, coherent, knowledgeable or rigorous enough to prove a debate threat. 
    You saw the last debate? The one where he beat Joe Biden so brutally that Pelosi and Clooney had to replace him? Just sit back and do as your told. Don’t get too comfortable with Kamala, they might choose someone else if she drops in the polls in the next couple of weeks. Tampon Tim is struggling to defend why he retired 2 years early when he was called for deployment to Iraq too.
    Thanks, but I would never take advice from someone as disingenuous and/or brainwashed as you.

    Yes, I saw the debate, and talked about how terribly Biden did. That doesn’t mean Trump was coherent, knowledgeable, or rigorously on-message at that debate. Harris is sharp, informed, and clear enough to demonstrate that Trump is a washed-out, self-serving moron.

    As for the Pelosi and Clooney ‘jab’, I don’t really care if strings were pulled and a better candidate was selected, or if it was Biden’s decision. Either way, Democrats are more poised to win now, and your side is the one with an old and incompetent candidate. Have fun with that! 
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  • mickeyrat
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    teskeinc said:
    benjs said:
    teskeinc said:
    josevolution said:
    I’m just hoping she doesn’t fumble the debate she has to make him own all his disasters and make him come unhinged on live tv 
    Trump rambles the same thing every debate. If he were to just hammer Kamala on the border and economy for 90 minutes she would be in trouble. But you know he can’t, he will go off on his tangents, tell a few lies and exaggerations like he did vs Biden.
    Shame he’s not competent, coherent, knowledgeable or rigorous enough to prove a debate threat. 
    You saw the last debate? The one where he beat Joe Biden so brutally that Pelosi and Clooney had to replace him? Just sit back and do as your told. Don’t get too comfortable with Kamala, they might choose someone else if she drops in the polls in the next couple of weeks. Tampon Tim is struggling to defend why he retired 2 years early when he was called for deployment to Iraq too.

    2 years early? wtf are you on about? after 24 yrs.  typical careers are 20, 30, 40 . not 26.
     he ran for congress and won in a red seat that flipped back red once he became governor
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  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,032
    Kamala Harris
    Why oh why do ya’ll keep engaging with the troll?
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,365
    Kamala Harris
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    Why oh why do ya’ll keep engaging with the troll?
    Wondering the same thing. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,128
    Kamala Harris
    The Juggler said:
    teskeinc said:
    josevolution said:
    I’m just hoping she doesn’t fumble the debate she has to make him own all his disasters and make him come unhinged on live tv 
    Trump rambles the same thing every debate. If he were to just hammer Kamala on the border and economy for 90 minutes she would be in trouble. But you know he can’t, he will go off on his tangents, tell a few lies and exaggerations like he did vs Biden.
    Why did Donald Trump kill the bipartisan, most conservative in decades, border bill? Easy retort...even you cannot answer it (as I have given you multiple attempts by this point).

    Kamala would sign that bill into law and protect our borders. Donald Trump wants the borders wide open for his own political gain because he knows people like you are not paying attention. 
    except trump would say he had nothing to do with killing the bill and maga would believe him.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    Kamala Harris
    josevolution said:
    I’m just hoping she doesn’t fumble the debate she has to make him own all his disasters and make him come unhinged on live tv 
    I want her to call him a liar and a felon in the debates. See his head explode and completely lose his shit.  How do you defeat a bully.  Punch him in the damn nose,  be aggressive against him
  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    njhaley1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Someone claiming a guy who WAS IN THE MILITARY but retired TWO FULL YEARS BEFORE AN ACTIVE DEPLOYMENT to run for congress is somehow a coward for doing so, is a disgrace to your vets. 
    1) it was 3mos before his unit was called up, but your point still stands
    https://apnews.com/article/walz-national-guard-military-ae43d684bf1319e535f9f620552155d7

    2) after 24yrs of service he can retire whenever he damn well pleases. Military service isn't a prison sentence, it's a volunteer army and he served 24yrs longer than 95% of Americans including the dipsh*t you replied to, 20yrs longer than the other candidate, and 4yrs longer than my dad who was a career Naval officer.

    Not that any of this is a goddamned competition. Service is service and the only one TFG serves is HIMSELF. 
    njhaley1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Someone claiming a guy who WAS IN THE MILITARY but retired TWO FULL YEARS BEFORE AN ACTIVE DEPLOYMENT to run for congress is somehow a coward for doing so, is a disgrace to your vets. 
    1) it was 3mos before his unit was called up, but your point still stands
    https://apnews.com/article/walz-national-guard-military-ae43d684bf1319e535f9f620552155d7

    2) after 24yrs of service he can retire whenever he damn well pleases. Military service isn't a prison sentence, it's a volunteer army and he served 24yrs longer than 95% of Americans including the dipsh*t you replied to, 20yrs longer than the other candidate, and 4yrs longer than my dad who was a career Naval officer.

    Not that any of this is a goddamned competition. Service is service and the only one TFG serves is HIMSELF. 
    Of course he can and be thanked for his service. Issue is he used a rank he would have received if he had stayed until full retirement. Many say he dodged the deployment to Iraq. He didn’t have bone spurs to my knowledge.
  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    Tim Simmons said:
    teskeinc said:
    😂😂😂 No, it was me who killed the bi-partisan bill. Johnson is a friend of mine, I told him to axe it. My bad.
    Ok then, who did kill the bipartisan immigration bill? 
    The 6 Democrats that didn’t vote for it either? Maybe they are closet MAGA tho?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,128
    Kamala Harris
    pjhawks said:
    josevolution said:
    I’m just hoping she doesn’t fumble the debate she has to make him own all his disasters and make him come unhinged on live tv 
    I want her to call him a liar and a felon in the debates. See his head explode and completely lose his shit.  How do you defeat a bully.  Punch him in the damn nose,  be aggressive against him
    biden called him a felon and a liar at the debate and it did not help him.

    but i agree. punch him in the nose and tattoo him with his record of lying, record as a failed president, and his criminal record.
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,963
    This may help. There are images of the documents on multiple posts. Seems like any attempts at swift-boating him will not succeed.

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    So he did hold the rank of CSM, but was subsequently reduced for this reason and receives retired pay for the rank of MSG. There were no disciplinary reasons for the reduction. 
    According to the PAO for the Minnesota National Guard, they said it is legitimate for Walz to say he served as a CSM. They said the rank changed because Walz retired before completing coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy along with other requirements associated with his promotion.
    As far as deployments, I am awaiting more records but it doesn’t seem he deployed to a combat zone during his service. Will follow up when I have more information.

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  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    He just decided to retire before deployment. Could have been coincidence? You would think that would have been vetted before he was selected or even when he ran for Governor but apparently not because Dems are really scrambling to justify or cover it up. They also have already changed the title from Kamala’s website about his profile. That tells me he’s probably wrong. 
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