The Attempted Assassination of Donald Trump

shecky said:

tempo_n_groove said:

FBI says "they believe" Trump was hit in the ear w a bullet.

No medical documents were used in making this assumption...

I'm curious, what documents did you use in making your assumption?
I've seen no statement from the FBI that backs up your claim that they've seen no medical records, nor conferred with his doctors. 

mickeyrat said:

gift.....

https://wapo.st/4dqiDa0

Secret Service finds protecting Trump is extraordinarily challenging
By Josh Dawsey and Carol D. Leonnig
August 18, 2024 at 16:55 ET
Just before Donald Trump held a rally in Doral, Fla., on July 9, Secret Service officials delivered his campaign a message: The former president and his advisers would notice additional security because the U.S. government had credible intelligence of threats against him.
“The bad guys are at it again,” an adviser said, describing the Secret Service’s message.
Days later, a Pakistani national was arrested during an FBI sting after allegedly taking part in a murder-for-hire plot on behalf of Iran targeting a politician or government official on U.S. soil. Officials familiar with the investigation said this month that the alleged plot raised concerns about Trump’s safety and prompted a number of meetings among top Justice Department officials.
On July 13, Trump was grazed by a bullet at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania when a gunman fired shots from an unsecured roof about 150 yards away. It left Trump’s team shocked that the gunman — who had no known connection to Iran or any other foreign power — had such a clear shot at him from such a close distance, given they had been informed just days earlier that the Secret Service was on high alert.
The series of events in early July illustrates the extraordinary challenges facing the Secret Service as it attempts to protect Trump — a former president running for office again and one of the world’s most recognizable people. He not only holds large-scale campaign rallies — as he plans to do this week — but also routinely hangs out with scores of people at the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., and his other resorts.
The difficulties have prompted numerous arguments over the past 3½ years between agency officials, Trump and his advisers. His aides grew increasingly angry as many of their requests for additional security were rebuffed by the Secret Service, according to eight people familiar with the events, who like others for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions. They were also enraged that his Secret Service detail and team were not told for 30 minutes as police officials searched for a reported suspicious person at the July 13 rally who turned out to be the gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks.
Trump aides say they had sometimes been forced to cancel or reschedule events when aides felt the venues were not going to be sufficiently secure. They described repeatedly being denied pleas for more snipers, bomb-sniffing dogs, magnetometers and specialty teams to protect Trump, often because agency higher-ups said extra resources were not available. Trump and his campaign have a close relationship with his security detail.
Secret Service leaders have described the July 13 shooting as a failure, with former director Kimberly Cheatle resigning under pressure after she appeared to blame local police for not better securing the site and falsely claiming the agency never denied Trump detail requests for added security before the shooting. The assassination attempt has raised renewed questions about the Service’s competence that flared a decade ago. On July 13, the Service failed to tackle an obvious risk it has made a top priority since President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963: keeping a gunman on high ground from having a clear shot at the top officials they protect.

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Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

gift.....

https://wapo.st/4dqiDa0

Secret Service finds protecting Trump is extraordinarily challenging
By Josh Dawsey and Carol D. Leonnig
August 18, 2024 at 16:55 ET
Just before Donald Trump held a rally in Doral, Fla., on July 9, Secret Service officials delivered his campaign a message: The former president and his advisers would notice additional security because the U.S. government had credible intelligence of threats against him.
“The bad guys are at it again,” an adviser said, describing the Secret Service’s message.
Days later, a Pakistani national was arrested during an FBI sting after allegedly taking part in a murder-for-hire plot on behalf of Iran targeting a politician or government official on U.S. soil. Officials familiar with the investigation said this month that the alleged plot raised concerns about Trump’s safety and prompted a number of meetings among top Justice Department officials.
On July 13, Trump was grazed by a bullet at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania when a gunman fired shots from an unsecured roof about 150 yards away. It left Trump’s team shocked that the gunman — who had no known connection to Iran or any other foreign power — had such a clear shot at him from such a close distance, given they had been informed just days earlier that the Secret Service was on high alert.
The series of events in early July illustrates the extraordinary challenges facing the Secret Service as it attempts to protect Trump — a former president running for office again and one of the world’s most recognizable people. He not only holds large-scale campaign rallies — as he plans to do this week — but also routinely hangs out with scores of people at the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., and his other resorts.
The difficulties have prompted numerous arguments over the past 3½ years between agency officials, Trump and his advisers. His aides grew increasingly angry as many of their requests for additional security were rebuffed by the Secret Service, according to eight people familiar with the events, who like others for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions. They were also enraged that his Secret Service detail and team were not told for 30 minutes as police officials searched for a reported suspicious person at the July 13 rally who turned out to be the gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks.
Trump aides say they had sometimes been forced to cancel or reschedule events when aides felt the venues were not going to be sufficiently secure. They described repeatedly being denied pleas for more snipers, bomb-sniffing dogs, magnetometers and specialty teams to protect Trump, often because agency higher-ups said extra resources were not available. Trump and his campaign have a close relationship with his security detail.
Secret Service leaders have described the July 13 shooting as a failure, with former director Kimberly Cheatle resigning under pressure after she appeared to blame local police for not better securing the site and falsely claiming the agency never denied Trump detail requests for added security before the shooting. The assassination attempt has raised renewed questions about the Service’s competence that flared a decade ago. On July 13, the Service failed to tackle an obvious risk it has made a top priority since President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963: keeping a gunman on high ground from having a clear shot at the top officials they protect.

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Doesn't this show the incompetency of Cheatle even more?

certainly underlings for sure. Heads of departments would typically delegate that sort of thing, no?

We have seen a decline in usss integrity/competency since 9/11 when they were moved from Treasury oversight to Homeland Security oversight. Any reform needs to start there in my opinion. Which raises a question now that I think about it. What if any was Homelands role in all this?  USSS is now tasked with more folks to protect.

I'll agree on the underlings but she signs off on them and is in charge of them so start with the head.  I'm not in charge and I know to have someone on that damn roof.

She resigned...what more do you want her to do?

Whoever was in charge that day fucked up royally. They should never be put in charge of any event ever again.

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

gift.....

https://wapo.st/4dqiDa0

Secret Service finds protecting Trump is extraordinarily challenging
By Josh Dawsey and Carol D. Leonnig
August 18, 2024 at 16:55 ET
Just before Donald Trump held a rally in Doral, Fla., on July 9, Secret Service officials delivered his campaign a message: The former president and his advisers would notice additional security because the U.S. government had credible intelligence of threats against him.
“The bad guys are at it again,” an adviser said, describing the Secret Service’s message.
Days later, a Pakistani national was arrested during an FBI sting after allegedly taking part in a murder-for-hire plot on behalf of Iran targeting a politician or government official on U.S. soil. Officials familiar with the investigation said this month that the alleged plot raised concerns about Trump’s safety and prompted a number of meetings among top Justice Department officials.
On July 13, Trump was grazed by a bullet at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania when a gunman fired shots from an unsecured roof about 150 yards away. It left Trump’s team shocked that the gunman — who had no known connection to Iran or any other foreign power — had such a clear shot at him from such a close distance, given they had been informed just days earlier that the Secret Service was on high alert.
The series of events in early July illustrates the extraordinary challenges facing the Secret Service as it attempts to protect Trump — a former president running for office again and one of the world’s most recognizable people. He not only holds large-scale campaign rallies — as he plans to do this week — but also routinely hangs out with scores of people at the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., and his other resorts.
The difficulties have prompted numerous arguments over the past 3½ years between agency officials, Trump and his advisers. His aides grew increasingly angry as many of their requests for additional security were rebuffed by the Secret Service, according to eight people familiar with the events, who like others for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions. They were also enraged that his Secret Service detail and team were not told for 30 minutes as police officials searched for a reported suspicious person at the July 13 rally who turned out to be the gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks.
Trump aides say they had sometimes been forced to cancel or reschedule events when aides felt the venues were not going to be sufficiently secure. They described repeatedly being denied pleas for more snipers, bomb-sniffing dogs, magnetometers and specialty teams to protect Trump, often because agency higher-ups said extra resources were not available. Trump and his campaign have a close relationship with his security detail.
Secret Service leaders have described the July 13 shooting as a failure, with former director Kimberly Cheatle resigning under pressure after she appeared to blame local police for not better securing the site and falsely claiming the agency never denied Trump detail requests for added security before the shooting. The assassination attempt has raised renewed questions about the Service’s competence that flared a decade ago. On July 13, the Service failed to tackle an obvious risk it has made a top priority since President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963: keeping a gunman on high ground from having a clear shot at the top officials they protect.

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Doesn't this show the incompetency of Cheatle even more?

certainly underlings for sure. Heads of departments would typically delegate that sort of thing, no?

We have seen a decline in usss integrity/competency since 9/11 when they were moved from Treasury oversight to Homeland Security oversight. Any reform needs to start there in my opinion. Which raises a question now that I think about it. What if any was Homelands role in all this?  USSS is now tasked with more folks to protect.

I'll agree on the underlings but she signs off on them and is in charge of them so start with the head.  I'm not in charge and I know to have someone on that damn roof.

She resigned...what more do you want her to do?

Whoever was in charge that day fucked up royally. They should never be put in charge of any event ever again.

She did exactly what I wanted her to do, resign.  We are discussing the article and how it makes her look bad.

They need to take a real good look at whos running that and put some better people in charge.

these issues go back much farther than her tenure.