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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    drfox said:
    If there is a 2 year agreement I imagine this is specific to the contract between the band and the insurer. Also if it does exist it has to be on a city basis and not a country basis, otherwise the band wouldn’t have returned to the US in 2023 after cancelling Sacremento and Vegas in 2022…..
    Or by distance. I think that's a common clause with festival headliners not to compete with the festival's ticket sales. The band agree not to play any other shows within e.g., 150 miles of the festival location in the preceding six months. 
  • iOnlyownMymind
    iOnlyownMymind Posts: 2,953
    SHZA said:
    drfox said:
    If there is a 2 year agreement I imagine this is specific to the contract between the band and the insurer. Also if it does exist it has to be on a city basis and not a country basis, otherwise the band wouldn’t have returned to the US in 2023 after cancelling Sacremento and Vegas in 2022…..
    Or by distance. I think that's a common clause with festival headliners not to compete with the festival's ticket sales. The band agree not to play any other shows within e.g., 150 miles of the festival location in the preceding six months. 
    I still think it's interesting with the Sacramento and Bottlerock shows. No clause for that or it was negotiable? 
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    iOnlyownMymind said:
    SHZA said:
    drfox said:
    If there is a 2 year agreement I imagine this is specific to the contract between the band and the insurer. Also if it does exist it has to be on a city basis and not a country basis, otherwise the band wouldn’t have returned to the US in 2023 after cancelling Sacremento and Vegas in 2022…..
    Or by distance. I think that's a common clause with festival headliners not to compete with the festival's ticket sales. The band agree not to play any other shows within e.g., 150 miles of the festival location in the preceding six months. 
    I still think it's interesting with the Sacramento and Bottlerock shows. No clause for that or it was negotiable? 
    Negotiable. If the band has enough leverage or the festival doesn't think the other show will hurt sales it would make sense to omit. 
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,108
    edited July 2024
    seanclax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    @seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess. 
    Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a [Name calling removed by Admin]
    I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of.
    Wind your neck in


    Careful bud, name calling can get you banned.
    Post edited by Sea on
  • CantKeepmedown
    CantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 3,119
    Or maybe even get this thread locked
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    seanclax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    @seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess. 
    Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a childish prick.
    I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of.
    Wind your neck in

    Hey man, just ignore that Spiritual Chaos person. He just lives on here to argue with people and  complain. Don’t let him get to you. Just mute him.  The board would be better if we just ignored his posts. 
    You are way too obsessed. Creepy stuff.
    You keep proving our point. Time to log off for a bit and go outside .
    Regardless of who is right or wrong in your private dispute. Nobody really needs such opinionated arrogance. 
  • Haijay
    Haijay Posts: 439
    on2legs said:
    The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon.  They love you guys and they know you love them.  The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now.  So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.  
    But, what if, in two years, they come back with the SAME pricing? Since it will be two years later than this shitshow, but costs are NOT going to stop rising? 🤯🤯🤯 Mind Blown……..
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    Even if they come up with €200 for tickets in two years' time, they can save themselves the shitshow that 2024 has become here, on social media and in the press by charging more reasonable prices for the worse seats.
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,481
    Haijay said:
    on2legs said:
    The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon.  They love you guys and they know you love them.  The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now.  So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.  
    But, what if, in two years, they come back with the SAME pricing? Since it will be two years later than this shitshow, but costs are NOT going to stop rising? 🤯🤯🤯 Mind Blown……..
    Key thing really is to announce a June/July show in mid-late Autumn the previous year 
  • smile6680
    smile6680 Posts: 433
    edited July 2024
    pdalowsky said:
    smile6680 said:
    Why doesn't someone just reach out to the Ten Club for some clarification. I would imagine it is information they either have or could very easily obtain.
    Its all contractual legal stuff that is never going to be shared with us, and in all farness nor should it be. 
    Really? I get insurance pay outs and stuff. Why wouldn't they be able to discuss a time frame in which they cant play an area. 

    It doesn't matter to me at all. I was trying to find a solution to all the speculations. I thought maybe someone would contact them and see if it is something they can comment on. No harm in asking.
    Post edited by smile6680 on
  • THEBIBLEISTEN
    THEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 2,002
    Zen23 said:
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    seanclax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    @seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess. 
    Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a childish prick.
    I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of.
    Wind your neck in

    Hey man, just ignore that Spiritual Chaos person. He just lives on here to argue with people and  complain. Don’t let him get to you. Just mute him.  The board would be better if we just ignored his posts. 
    You are way too obsessed. Creepy stuff.
    You keep proving our point. Time to log off for a bit and go outside .
    Regardless of who is right or wrong in your private dispute. Nobody really needs such opinionated arrogance. 
    Haha. 
  • JABK
    JABK Finland Posts: 358
    drfox said:
    Haijay said:
    on2legs said:
    The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon.  They love you guys and they know you love them.  The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now.  So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.  
    But, what if, in two years, they come back with the SAME pricing? Since it will be two years later than this shitshow, but costs are NOT going to stop rising? 🤯🤯🤯 Mind Blown……..
    Key thing really is to announce a June/July show in mid-late Autumn the previous year 
    I certainly agree with that.
  • JABK
    JABK Finland Posts: 358
    on2legs said:
    The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon.  They love you guys and they know you love them.  The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now.  So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.  
    Yes...and maybe...JUST MAYBE they have something in store for us Europeans next summer this time around. I don't think touring a new album is just 9 shows of which 3 were cancelled. Plus they seem extra excited with DM. Remembering the shows that got cancelled 2022 I could see them doing 2 x Amsterdam, 2-3 festivals, 2-3 Italy shows, Vienna, Prague, Krakow, one in Scandinavia and France.
  • seanclax
    seanclax Posts: 576
    JABK said:
    on2legs said:
    The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon.  They love you guys and they know you love them.  The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now.  So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.  
    Yes...and maybe...JUST MAYBE they have something in store for us Europeans next summer this time around. I don't think touring a new album is just 9 shows of which 3 were cancelled. Plus they seem extra excited with DM. Remembering the shows that got cancelled 2022 I could see them doing 2 x Amsterdam, 2-3 festivals, 2-3 Italy shows, Vienna, Prague, Krakow, one in Scandinavia and France.
    Berlin and London will get shows first. If we get a tour next year it'll probably be shorter than this year's tour
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Let s hope you get a tour like this next summer.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • apirk72
    apirk72 Posts: 506
    JABK said:
    on2legs said:
    The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon.  They love you guys and they know you love them.  The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now.  So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.  
    Yes...and maybe...JUST MAYBE they have something in store for us Europeans next summer this time around. I don't think touring a new album is just 9 shows of which 3 were cancelled. Plus they seem extra excited with DM. Remembering the shows that got cancelled 2022 I could see them doing 2 x Amsterdam, 2-3 festivals, 2-3 Italy shows, Vienna, Prague, Krakow, one in Scandinavia and France.
    Wouldn't really bet on them doing more shows then they have been doing.  I expect them to continue to tour like they have been the past few years and if anything do less shows when they tour.
  • eboweddie
    eboweddie Posts: 1,090
    Them euro 2000 bootlegs are gold. Amazing moments in time. Cardiff was on today 

    i wish i wish i wish i wish, i guess it never stops
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,108
    The band has never discussed business dealings with fans or the public. In fact they are notorious for not sharing much information with the fans. They only disclose information when release dates/tours are confirmed. This is one of the longer tours they have done in recent years. My guess is that they play a festival next year with a few dates around that festival. Could be anywhere.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    Imagine their surprise when they run into fans outside the hotel and it's all "Matt I love You Are but can we sit down for a minute and run through a few provisions in your insurance paperwork"
  • JABK
    JABK Finland Posts: 358
    mcgruff10 said:
    Let s hope you get a tour like this next summer.  
    Ljubljana would be awesome!

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