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and this is how trump might win. his supporters will come out in droves. undecideds will stay home and then bitch about the next 4 years.mace1229 said:
The difference is his mental capacity has been a talking point for a year or more. The WH and his supporters denied it. It was on full display at the debate. It’s not like it came out of nowhere and was something new to talk about. It’s been an issue for a while. So I don’t see how it’s going away. And if he wins a second term, he’ll be 86. I don’t think he’s up for 4 more years.gimmesometruth27 said:
people have forgotten how terribly trump bungled covid. they will definitely forget about this debate performance.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But I don’t think anyone will forget about his performance. It’s going to be talked about until he drops out or the election. Whichever is first.HughFreakingDillon said:the important voters will never see those attack ads.
A couple gaffes this was easy enough to where it wouldn’t matter. But it’s bad enough even most on CNN were saying he needs to drop.
I wish we had better candidates on both parties. I don’t think I can vote for either.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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I’ll be bitching for 4 years either way at this point.HughFreakingDillon said:
and this is how trump might win. his supporters will come out in droves. undecideds will stay home and then bitch about the next 4 years.mace1229 said:
The difference is his mental capacity has been a talking point for a year or more. The WH and his supporters denied it. It was on full display at the debate. It’s not like it came out of nowhere and was something new to talk about. It’s been an issue for a while. So I don’t see how it’s going away. And if he wins a second term, he’ll be 86. I don’t think he’s up for 4 more years.gimmesometruth27 said:
people have forgotten how terribly trump bungled covid. they will definitely forget about this debate performance.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But I don’t think anyone will forget about his performance. It’s going to be talked about until he drops out or the election. Whichever is first.HughFreakingDillon said:the important voters will never see those attack ads.
A couple gaffes this was easy enough to where it wouldn’t matter. But it’s bad enough even most on CNN were saying he needs to drop.
I wish we had better candidates on both parties. I don’t think I can vote for either.0 -
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Bidenmace1229 said:
I’ll be bitching for 4 years either way at this point.HughFreakingDillon said:
and this is how trump might win. his supporters will come out in droves. undecideds will stay home and then bitch about the next 4 years.mace1229 said:
The difference is his mental capacity has been a talking point for a year or more. The WH and his supporters denied it. It was on full display at the debate. It’s not like it came out of nowhere and was something new to talk about. It’s been an issue for a while. So I don’t see how it’s going away. And if he wins a second term, he’ll be 86. I don’t think he’s up for 4 more years.gimmesometruth27 said:
people have forgotten how terribly trump bungled covid. they will definitely forget about this debate performance.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But I don’t think anyone will forget about his performance. It’s going to be talked about until he drops out or the election. Whichever is first.HughFreakingDillon said:the important voters will never see those attack ads.
A couple gaffes this was easy enough to where it wouldn’t matter. But it’s bad enough even most on CNN were saying he needs to drop.
I wish we had better candidates on both parties. I don’t think I can vote for either.
so no change then
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Biden
I’m going to go out and vote for Biden. And I still expect to be bitching for 4 years as I think I align with Trump policy about 10-15% and Biden about 35%HughFreakingDillon said:
and this is how trump might win. his supporters will come out in droves. undecideds will stay home and then bitch about the next 4 years.mace1229 said:
The difference is his mental capacity has been a talking point for a year or more. The WH and his supporters denied it. It was on full display at the debate. It’s not like it came out of nowhere and was something new to talk about. It’s been an issue for a while. So I don’t see how it’s going away. And if he wins a second term, he’ll be 86. I don’t think he’s up for 4 more years.gimmesometruth27 said:
people have forgotten how terribly trump bungled covid. they will definitely forget about this debate performance.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But I don’t think anyone will forget about his performance. It’s going to be talked about until he drops out or the election. Whichever is first.HughFreakingDillon said:the important voters will never see those attack ads.
A couple gaffes this was easy enough to where it wouldn’t matter. But it’s bad enough even most on CNN were saying he needs to drop.
I wish we had better candidates on both parties. I don’t think I can vote for either.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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Biden
Crazy to think, if the GOP had put up a normal, non-MAGA, pre-MAGA republican …. They would have won the election at that debatemickeyrat said:hippiemom = goodness0 -
Bidencan we all take a step back and make an observation?fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....WAPO isnt far off of that either.sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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Biden
Right, but what if he has another as bad, or worse? The second debate is after the convention, so it will be too late. Are you betting this is an aberration or the norm? I fear it's the norm.mickeyrat said:can we all take a step back and make an observation?fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....WAPO isnt far off of that either.sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.0 -
I haven’t bitched a whole lot specifically about Biden. I’m sure I’ve said a few things over the last 3 1/2 years about him, but most of my bitching is disagreeing with what others say, but not directly about the president.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I’ll be bitching for 4 years either way at this point.HughFreakingDillon said:
and this is how trump might win. his supporters will come out in droves. undecideds will stay home and then bitch about the next 4 years.mace1229 said:
The difference is his mental capacity has been a talking point for a year or more. The WH and his supporters denied it. It was on full display at the debate. It’s not like it came out of nowhere and was something new to talk about. It’s been an issue for a while. So I don’t see how it’s going away. And if he wins a second term, he’ll be 86. I don’t think he’s up for 4 more years.gimmesometruth27 said:
people have forgotten how terribly trump bungled covid. they will definitely forget about this debate performance.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But I don’t think anyone will forget about his performance. It’s going to be talked about until he drops out or the election. Whichever is first.HughFreakingDillon said:the important voters will never see those attack ads.
A couple gaffes this was easy enough to where it wouldn’t matter. But it’s bad enough even most on CNN were saying he needs to drop.
I wish we had better candidates on both parties. I don’t think I can vote for either.
so no change then0 -
I’ll have to say I agree. I’ve thought the same thing for a long time, but don’t think I’ve said anything to avoid the “both sides” comments.mickeyrat said:can we all take a step back and make an observation?fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....WAPO isnt far off of that either.sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.
Yes, fox sells fear. They will have you think China is going to over take this country if Biden wins.
But I hear things like democracy will end and he’ll never leave the office. He’ll be what, 85 when the next term ends? How long do people think he can serve?0 -
Biden
dude, he tried to not leave office the first time. he now says he is entitled to 2 more terms. do the math. he also has said publicly that he has the right to go on a revenge tour against those that do not agree with him. fucker will not accept the election results if he loses, and he will not leave if he wins this time and loses next. he was surrounded by some people that tried to alter the outcome in 2020. the fake elector scheme. he will be surrounded with sycophants this time, and nobody will try to stop him. we can't take that chance. wake up.mace1229 said:
I’ll have to say I agree. I’ve thought the same thing for a long time, but don’t think I’ve said anything to avoid the “both sides” comments.mickeyrat said:can we all take a step back and make an observation?fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....WAPO isnt far off of that either.sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.
Yes, fox sells fear. They will have you think China is going to over take this country if Biden wins.
But I hear things like democracy will end and he’ll never leave the office. He’ll be what, 85 when the next term ends? How long do people think he can serve?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
BidenAn email I got from the Biden team today contains some good suggestions. "The "bedwetting brigade" cracked me up.
...but made the point clear that Biden is the Dem candidate. If you're like me, you're getting lots of texts or calls from folks about the state of the race after Thursday. Maybe it was your panicked aunt, your MAGA uncle, or some self-important Podcasters. It's a tough position to be in, so I thought it might be helpful to send you a few responses.
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Yes, the debate started rough, but voters saw what a threat Donald Trump is to the country. It was more than just lying -- though he did plenty of that. Trump:
- Defended the end of Roe v. Wade, saying "it's been a great thing."
- Said that the pro-Trump Nazi march in Charlottesville was "made up."
- Said on January 6th that "we were respected all over the world."
- Defended his 34 felony convictions, saying the system was "rigged" and he did nothing wrong.
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Actual voters perceived this debate very differently than those
who pay attention to politics a lot (like everyone who is getting this
email and everyone who goes on cable news).
Breaking news: People think Joe Biden's old. They did coming into the debate, they do coming out of the debate. At the same time, though, a lot of people have rose-colored glasses about the Trump years. The most important thing about the debate was always going to be that people were reminded of what they hate about Donald Trump: that he's unhinged, out for revenge, and in it for himself. And they were reminded, in a powerful way.
Flash polls from CNN, 538, SurveyUSA, Morning Consult, and Data for Progress show what we expected: the debate did not change the horserace. In fact, following the debate, our internal dials showed President Biden led Trump on key measures of being presidential, speaking to the issues that matter, and being likable by more than 20 points. -
That's because the long-term impact of debates is overstated anyway.
Let us all remember that Barack Obama lost the first debate in 2012 (and the media panicked too!). Bush lost in 2004. Ronald Reagan lost the first debate in 1984. They, as you'll recall, won their elections. And those debates were in October, not June! -
90 minutes does not negate 3 ½ years of results.
Joe Biden is extremely good at being president. Let's not forget that the guy up on stage:- Expanded health care to millions of families
- Lowered the price of insulin to $35 for seniors
- Created more jobs than any president in history
- Vaccinated the country and reopened our schools
- Took the largest climate action in the history of the world
- Canceled student loans for nearly 5 million people
- Rallied the world in support of Ukraine, and expanded NATO while doing it
- Passed the largest national funding for passenger rail since the founding of Amtrak
- Banned chokeholds and no-knock entries by federal law enforcement, and restricted the transfer of military equipment to police departments
- Passed the largest investment in bridges and roads in our history
- Pardoned thousands of Americans federally convicted of marijuana possession
- Expanded benefits to veterans who have been exposed to toxic chemicals
- Officially protected same-sex marriage federally
- Passed the first gun violence prevention bill in 30 years
- Saved the pensions of more than 1 million union workers
- Averted a banking crisis (remember that?)
- Expanded paid overtime to working families
- Made birth control pills available over the counter
- Made renewable energy the #2 source of electricity in America
- Moved to reschedule marijuana
- Shifted the microchip supply chain back to the United States
- Put the first Black woman on the Supreme Court
- And that's really all I have time to list out here!
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The day after the debate, Joe Biden gave a fiery, defiant speech, where he tackled concerns about his age head-on.
I don't know if you were watching, but Joe Biden left the debate stage, spoke at a rally, went to Waffle House, got on a plane, flew to Raleigh, hung out with 200 supporters on the tarmac, went to bed, woke up, gave an amazing speech, got back on a plane, went to New York, visited Stonewall with Elton John, and then spoke at a pride gala for LGBTQ+ supporters.
The speech in Raleigh, by the way, has millions of views online, and you should watch and share it yourself:
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The bedwetting brigade is calling for Joe Biden to "drop out."
That is the best possible way for Donald Trump to win and us to lose.
First of all: Joe Biden is going to be the Democratic nominee, period. End of story. Voters voted. He won overwhelmingly. And if he were to drop out, it would lead to weeks of chaos, internal foodfighting, and a bunch of candidates who limp into a brutal floor fight at the convention, all while Donald Trump has time to speak to American voters uncontested. All of that would be in service of a nominee who would go into a general election in the weakest possible position with zero dollars in their bank account. You want a highway to losing? It's that.
And at the end of the day, we'd switch to candidates who would, according to polls, be less likely to win than Joe Biden -- the only person ever to defeat Donald Trump.
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Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee, period. Rather than worrying about polls, our supporters are getting on board.
Did you see the awesome clips of our supporters on the tarmac doing the Cupid Shuffle at 2am on the night of the debate? The biggest rally of our campaign yet on Friday? Well, no, probably not, because the media is busy hyperventilating and trying to manifest drama to boost ratings. But this isn't Aaron Sorkin's fever dream. It's Joe Biden's reelection campaign.
While they were spinning out, our grassroots supporters got to work and:- Raised us $27 million in two days
- Signed up for three times as many volunteer shifts as on an average day
- Attended more than 1,500 events nationwide
We even had three times as many people as usual apply to campaign jobs yesterday. Mercifully, while the beltway pundits are spending their time attacking Joe Biden, our people are more focused than ever.
Smart folks -- folks that care about defeating Donald Trump and winning this election -- have identified that the best way to help right now is by helping, and not by kicking their feet up and telling everyone around them to panic.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Yes, the debate started rough, but voters saw what a threat Donald Trump is to the country. It was more than just lying -- though he did plenty of that. Trump:
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He never admitted defeat in 2020, but still left willingly. No one had to forcibly remove him. Secret service didn’t drag him out. It won’t be different if he wins again. It’ll be 4 years and he’s gone. He won’t change the constitution to add another term, or just refuse to leave when it’s over. And if he loses, he’ll cry foul, take it to court, and lose again.gimmesometruth27 said:
dude, he tried to not leave office the first time. he now says he is entitled to 2 more terms. do the math. he also has said publicly that he has the right to go on a revenge tour against those that do not agree with him. fucker will not accept the election results if he loses, and he will not leave if he wins this time and loses next. he was surrounded by some people that tried to alter the outcome in 2020. the fake elector scheme. he will be surrounded with sycophants this time, and nobody will try to stop him. we can't take that chance. wake up.mace1229 said:
I’ll have to say I agree. I’ve thought the same thing for a long time, but don’t think I’ve said anything to avoid the “both sides” comments.mickeyrat said:can we all take a step back and make an observation?fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....WAPO isnt far off of that either.sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.
Yes, fox sells fear. They will have you think China is going to over take this country if Biden wins.
But I hear things like democracy will end and he’ll never leave the office. He’ll be what, 85 when the next term ends? How long do people think he can serve?Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
Bidenmrussel1 said:
Right, but what if he has another as bad, or worse? The second debate is after the convention, so it will be too late. Are you betting this is an aberration or the norm? I fear it's the norm.mickeyrat said:can we all take a step back and make an observation?fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....WAPO isnt far off of that either.sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.what if we never beat england in the revolutionary war?what if._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Biden
Um, that's history. I'm talking about the future. The question is whether Biden is still the best person to represent the party on the ticket. If the answer is no, then Biden owes it to the country and to his legacy to step aside. I absolutely believed in 2020 that he was the best candidate. I no longer do.mickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
Right, but what if he has another as bad, or worse? The second debate is after the convention, so it will be too late. Are you betting this is an aberration or the norm? I fear it's the norm.mickeyrat said:can we all take a step back and make an observation?fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....WAPO isnt far off of that either.sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.what if we never beat england in the revolutionary war?what if.0 -
Bidenmrussel1 said:
Um, that's history. I'm talking about the future. The question is whether Biden is still the best person to represent the party on the ticket. If the answer is no, then Biden owes it to the country and to his legacy to step aside. I absolutely believed in 2020 that he was the best candidate. I no longer do.mickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
Right, but what if he has another as bad, or worse? The second debate is after the convention, so it will be too late. Are you betting this is an aberration or the norm? I fear it's the norm.mickeyrat said:can we all take a step back and make an observation?fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....WAPO isnt far off of that either.sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.what if we never beat england in the revolutionary war?what if.
You choose to live in what if. I wont play that stupid game. done it enough in the past. not doing it in the present. vote your conscience
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It's not just 'what if'. The first debate performance was disastrous, so it stands to reason that his second could very well be too. If that's the case, it will be a hard sell. Now is the right time to play 'what if' - while there are still two potential options.mickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
Um, that's history. I'm talking about the future. The question is whether Biden is still the best person to represent the party on the ticket. If the answer is no, then Biden owes it to the country and to his legacy to step aside. I absolutely believed in 2020 that he was the best candidate. I no longer do.mickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
Right, but what if he has another as bad, or worse? The second debate is after the convention, so it will be too late. Are you betting this is an aberration or the norm? I fear it's the norm.mickeyrat said:can we all take a step back and make an observation?fox business model is to generate, stoke and sell fear, no?there HAS. been a distinct and marked change in tone on CNN in the past few years, no? Whats been stoked and sold in that time? Thats right, kids. FEAR.NYT? Lets overlook the scumbag they're well versed in.....WAPO isnt far off of that either.sure be good to see a bit more critical thinking rather than emotional handwringing, which is my take from here.....Biden is owning his poor performance and still has an equitable vision for the avrage citizen.what if we never beat england in the revolutionary war?what if.
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