Official 2024 Ticket Lottery Results Thread
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I definitely think it is ineptitude on TM's part. It really wouldn't take a lot for the lottery to not be inept, but every one TM runs is.kmcmanus said:
This. No ones saying it isn’t stupid, it’s just more inept than maliciousmpedone said:bbiggs said:People act like this is cracking the Enigma code. Any one of a couple very simple and reasonable fixes to the system would help improve it.
1. Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line.
2. Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).
For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:
A. They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections.
B. They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ.
C. They are lying to themselves.
Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses. The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).
I'm not sure anyone thinks this version of the lottery is "good", just some rubbing up against the idea that it was rigged, or somehow designed to screw them over.0 -
Come on Philly, either night!0
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I was alerted by my bank. But someone else said they contacted their bank to see if a hold/decline occurred. One had and the bank failed to alert them.given2fly23 said:How are people finding out about credit card problems? My friend still hasn't heard on either Wrigley show and I'm worried it's a CC issue.0 -
Sigh. Your seniority will give you better seats within your section if you get tickets. Seniority has never guaranteed tickets. Yes, seniority would have put you closer to the stage before the band brought back the GA section, but the GA section is not new for 2024 so that is not a change.EBowie said:I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered. That was cool. Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter. What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?
Pearl Jam might just believe in the radical notion that someone who wasn't born when you joined the Ten Club should also have the opportunity to watch a show from in front of the stage.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
Yeah me tooNewfieintheUSA said:Come on Philly, either night!I found my place......and it's alright0 -
Even though many of the nosebleeds are actually front rows of upper sections sidestage that are closer to the stage than seats on the back of the floor all the way opposite the stage.Johnny Abruzzo said:
Some people are just too good to sit up in the nosebleeds.know1 said:
It's difficult to understand how someone could be going against what the fan club told us was the case. If they said right there in black and white that choosing more options increased your chances, why would you second guess it and not follow their instructions?SHZA said:
Right, "selecting multiple seat preferences will increase your chances" -- i.e., selecting GA-P1 increases your chances compared to just P1, and adding P2 increases your chances further, but checking P1 in addition to GA-P1 shouldn't increase your chances because P1 is the same seat preference you already selected. Unless there was a second pool of P1s that weren't included in the GA-P1 pool. If that's not the case, then P1 only should have been disabled (or automatically checked) once you selected GA-P1.NewfieintheUSA said:
I believe that was more meaning select P1 and P2 , but who knows for sureknow1 said:
Well...except for the fact that the Ten Club said it did in the Pre-Sale info.NewfieintheUSA said:
the fact that selecting GA/P1 and P1 separately would increase your odds makes no sense at allPJ and Dylan are my muse said:
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That is a valid question. The last two things I used my 10c membership on were the EV Seattle shows in 2022/23. For both of them I was able to upgrade the tickets and didn't use the 10c tickets. I have a strong feeling it might be the same way for Vancouver, albeit the only way to upgrade tickets is when another member releases them, so if no one signed up to the club, it would be harder to upgrade.Kevinman said:
If I have to use F2F why am I keeping a membership for 25+ years? I’m asking myself….BloodMeridian80 said:
I got what I wanted (3 for 3, no GA tho), and I can see there were issues and not just the predictable imbalances that would come with no priority. Something funky definitely happened with the 2 night stands in the US. Probably has to do with the alog's used. Unfortunately, as long as TM is allowed to run it, there will be issues. I guess with the F2F, if you're committed to going to a show, you will get in with a couple of exceptions.bbiggs said:People act like this is cracking the Enigma code. Any one of a couple very simple and reasonable fixes to the system would help improve it.
1. Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line.
2. Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).
For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:
A. They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections.
B. They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ.
C. They are lying to themselves.
Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses. The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).
Still, I'm curious to see where my seats will end up on a 26 year old fan club membership. If I'm in one of the sections closer to the stage, it's not so bad. If I'm on the floor behind the pit, then I'll upgrade to almost anything else
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markin ball said:Got GA/Pit standing for Fenway. I see on the seat map there are sections labeled turf pit and and then turf a7, turf b2, etc. So do I got "turf pit" or is that yet to be determined? Thanks for any help!After looking at that seating map and you have GA/PIT tickets you will be in the Turf Pit. The ones labeled as Turf A7 and so on are reserved seats.0
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Yes, that’s how I interpreted it too. I was fine with GA or P1. I just didn’t want nosebleeds for those prices. I’ll pass on that every time.MD190661 said:
You would have gotten P1 reserved if there were those seats left when your entry came up, or however it works. Checking both P1 boxes wouldn't have increased your odds. At least that's how I understood it.PJammin' said:
I guess I should’ve checked both boxes. I just checked GA/P1 thinking if I didn’t get GA I’d get P1. I didn’t check both bcuz I thought that the P1 box was just for a person who definitely wanted a seat and not GA at all.SHZA said:
But it could just mean that if you select GA-P1 instead of P1 by itself, then you have the added possibility of getting GA in addition to P1, rather than reducing your chances of getting P1 if you don't check both boxes.washed in black said:
Because it's a completely different option. There is no GA only option anymore, so if you want P1, you check every possible way you can get it.NewfieintheUSA said:
Why would P1 be separate draw for p1 seats than GA/p1?washed in black said:
Agreed. you're getting 3 chances at the show. If you lose GA/P1 you get thrown into plain P1, lose that you get another chance at P2.Johnny Abruzzo said:
It seems (and seemed) pretty damn clear to me.PJ and Dylan are my muse said:
That's how we won Baltimore, a show we really wanted.I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.0 -
Been reading the comments of this thread and I've come to a conclusion. And this is coming from a long time member and someone who lost out on shows in my hometown this go around. I really hope some prominent 10c organizers or even some band members read some of the comments on this thread. Not to come together and find a solution on how to impossibly make everyone happy about this ticket lottery. Nooo, but to realize they are missing the mark on a future merch idea............. you win some, you lose some people. Some of you are acting like entitled whiny little babies. Get over it already
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It is possible that the Reserved P1 in option one refers to the seats on the floor, while the Reserved P1 in option two refers to the sections in the lower bowl of the arena (with Reserved P2 being the sections in the upper bowl of the arena).washed in black said:
Correctmpedone said:jimjam1982 said:GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option. The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange
It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1
Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.
I speculated earlier that there were no doubt people who did not choose all three options and that this would result in better chances of those people being shut out, and this thread is proving that assertion right. People may have had different reasons for not checking all three boxes. Some preferred getting no ticket to getting a ticket in P2. Some did not read the instructions. Some did not understand the instructions. Some did not believe the instructions. Whatever the reason, the result is that some people who would have gotten tickets if they had selected all three options ended up not getting tickets.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
I think the purpose of the P1 only option is for people that can't or don't want to stand in GA. The GA Pit or P1 Seating is for people that would love GA but will take P1 as a consolation prize.
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Having a good 10c number back in the 2000's mattered for getting tix, because there weren't as many 10c members. There are more members now -- yes, some have let their numbers lapse, some never re-joined etc. - but when GA was added to US shows, many more people signed up. There was finally a way to get up closer without having a number under 100xxx.BF25394 said:
Sigh. Your seniority will give you better seats within your section if you get tickets. Seniority has never guaranteed tickets. Yes, seniority would have put you closer to the stage before the band brought back the GA section, but the GA section is not new for 2024 so that is not a change.EBowie said:I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered. That was cool. Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter. What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?
Pearl Jam might just believe in the radical notion that someone who wasn't born when you joined the Ten Club should also have the opportunity to watch a show from in front of the stage.
Want guaranteed good seats with your low number - ask PJ to eliminate GA and go back to all reserved. I don't think most people want that.
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Two people in this thread (as of page 100) have reported going 10-for-10 (and at least one of them did not put in for NY, PHI, BAL, BOS or CHI). And I don't recall anyone reporting going 0-for-10, but perhaps I missed that.bbiggs said:People act like this is cracking the Enigma code. Any one of a couple very simple and reasonable fixes to the system would help improve it.
1. Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line.
2. Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).
For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:
A. They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections.
B. They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ.
C. They are lying to themselves.
Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses. The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
Anxiously awaiting if there’s any chance that I might still get picked for Wrigley 1. This is AI’s interpretation of those of us still waiting hahaBoston, MA - Sept 28, 2004
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Membership gives you the opportunity to get access to thousands of tickets before the general public. Maintaining a continuous membership gives you better seats within your section if you succeed in getting tickets in the lottery, which your membership does not guarantee (and has not guaranteed).Kevinman said:
If I have to use F2F why am I keeping a membership for 25+ years? I’m asking myself….BloodMeridian80 said:
I got what I wanted (3 for 3, no GA tho), and I can see there were issues and not just the predictable imbalances that would come with no priority. Something funky definitely happened with the 2 night stands in the US. Probably has to do with the alog's used. Unfortunately, as long as TM is allowed to run it, there will be issues. I guess with the F2F, if you're committed to going to a show, you will get in with a couple of exceptions.bbiggs said:People act like this is cracking the Enigma code. Any one of a couple very simple and reasonable fixes to the system would help improve it.
1. Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line.
2. Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).
For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:
A. They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections.
B. They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ.
C. They are lying to themselves.
Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses. The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
It didn't matter for "getting" tickets. It mattered for assigning tickets once "gotten."washed in black said:
Having a good 10c number back in the 2000's mattered for getting tix, because there weren't as many 10c members. There are more members now -- yes, some have let their numbers lapse, some never re-joined etc. - but when GA was added to US shows, many more people signed up. There was finally a way to get up closer without having a number under 100xxx.BF25394 said:
Sigh. Your seniority will give you better seats within your section if you get tickets. Seniority has never guaranteed tickets. Yes, seniority would have put you closer to the stage before the band brought back the GA section, but the GA section is not new for 2024 so that is not a change.EBowie said:I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered. That was cool. Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter. What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?
Pearl Jam might just believe in the radical notion that someone who wasn't born when you joined the Ten Club should also have the opportunity to watch a show from in front of the stage.
Want guaranteed good seats with your low number - ask PJ to eliminate GA and go back to all reserved. I don't think most people want that.
I will bet you dollars to donuts that there are fewer Ten Club members in 2024 than there were in the decade of the 2000s.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
I’m not an expert on this and maybe it’s a horrible analogy, but this is the way I look it. if I spend $2 a week for 30 years on a Powerball ticket, I don’t expect to have better odds than the person playing for the first time. We both have a chance to win the jackpot, in this case GA or a smaller prize like P1 or P2. In this case if you win a smaller prize, the person playing longer actually wins a bigger smaller prize which is better seats.
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Well, that’s fine and dandy, but I don’t think any Ten Club member should strikeout on their own home show if they live there and are in the club. People flying in shouldn’t have preference over someone who actually lives in the city. It just seems jacked up that you can’t get a ticket in your own backyard. 🤷♂️B4idiejets said:Been reading the comments of this thread and I've come to a conclusion. And this is coming from a long time member and someone who lost out on shows in my hometown this go around. I really hope some prominent 10c organizers or even some band members read some of the comments on this thread. Not to come together and find a solution on how to impossibly make everyone happy about this ticket lottery. Nooo, but to realize they are missing the mark on a future merch idea............. you win some, you lose some people. Some of you are acting like entitled whiny little babies. Get over it alreadyI died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.0 -
Actually, it's never.know1 said:
When was that, 25-30 years ago? It's been a lottery for a long, long time.EBowie said:I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered. That was cool. Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter. What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?
Seniority has never determined if you got tickets. It's always only been about seat assignment, it amazes me that there are folks (not you, others) who have been members since the 90s and think seniority was a factor in obtaining tickets. You got your tickets at one point by mailing in index cards, then an order form, then the old F5 days, and now lottery entries.
Do people think they opened up the mail in the 90's looked at who the index card was from and said, "too new a member, throw it in the trash"? Do they think during the F5 days that 10club magically enabled the internet connection of the folks with 5-digit numbers and blocked those with high numbers? Seniority has always only been about seat assignment. Those who think it helped them score tickets are wrong. I have a 5-digit number, I've been through every iteration of 10C presale, not once has seniority helped me or anyone obtain tix. In the old days, 10club was just able to get enough tickets to fill all the orders when membership was smaller and TM/Live Nation hadn't implemented the 10% rule for fan clubs (or PJ negotiated around it). Now the membership numbers are too high to fulfill everyone (coupled with shorter tours of course to exacerbate the situation).Post edited by Poncier onThis weekend we rock Portland0
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