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  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 893
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gigaton depresses me a bit, even though I love the music, for the pandemic reason. my ottawa show got cancelled the week before it was supposed to happen, then when time came for the make up show, we couldn't make it happen. 
    I work at a hospital. Gigaton was a lifeline for me in 2020 but it’s a hard listen now. I think it’s a great record though.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    I skip Come Back and Inside Job over Parachutes
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I skip Come Back and Inside Job over Parachutes
     :o 
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  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,631
    mpedone said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    I dig all their albums in their place and time.  They have not put out anything that I have actively disliked, aside from one or two songs here and there.  Most of the albums are tied to my emotional state at the time, was I in a good spot, did I have good memories with the songs, etc.  
    When Covid hit, I REALLY needed Gigaton and it was awesome.  Looking back, it's probably the hardest listen for me, as a lot of bad things were going on in the world, people were separated.  I feel bad too, because I think Gigaton really had a good message that got swallowed up by the pandemic.  I leaned on that album a lot during that time.  But it sort of gives me pandemic vibes listening to it now. Not just pandemic...but like US politics too.  That is the only drawback for Gigaton for me.  I didnt get to make that many new memories with it, a lot of it was remote and home alone.  
    Looking forward to a better world experience with this new album, and I like the sounds I am hearing so far. 


    I'm very much the same with regards to enjoying albums. Put any of them on, and I'll be happy. I totally get your feelings on Gigaton, too. I have some of that, but I also have a bit of escapist feelings towards it, as I really got into it that Spring. I was working from home, my partner was in the office (in an ICU, so...not worrisome at all), and I would go out for drives around town on nice days to just get out of the house and get some fresh air. So, a lot of the songs have this mixed message of "everything is horrible, but it was such a nice day..." thing.
    Yeah, that makes sense. I have moments of that too. I suppose with continued play and live renditions, my weird feeling about it will eventually subside a bit .
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  • eboweddie
    eboweddie Posts: 1,094
    You're always saying you're too weak to be Strong.
    You're harder on yourself than just about Anyone
    Why swim the channel just to get this far?
    Halfway there, why would you turn around?

    This is phenomenal songwriting 

    i wish i wish i wish i wish, i guess it never stops
  • 100 Pacer
    100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,325
    edited February 2024
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gigaton depresses me a bit, even though I love the music, for the pandemic reason. my ottawa show got cancelled the week before it was supposed to happen, then when time came for the make up show, we couldn't make it happen. 
    I have yet to purchase the record. Between the rescheduled 2022 and subsequent 2023 shows I managed to hear the entire album live (Comes Then Goes aside) so it never really felt strange.

    Once the lottery is done in a couple of weeks I’ve resolved to deep dive into Gigaton thoroughly.
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

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  • mpedone
    mpedone 540xxx - Manchester, NH Posts: 1,961
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I skip Come Back and Inside Job over Parachutes

    I sometimes skip Come Back depending on my mood. Inisde Job (which, honestly, took me a while to appreciate) is one of my favorite songs now. I was so excited to hear it in Hamilton in 2022. This is the joy of art!
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  • eboweddie
    eboweddie Posts: 1,094
    100% their best lp since yield.imo
     Some of this lp this summer please 

    i wish i wish i wish i wish, i guess it never stops
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    dwjmu84 said:
    The clips have my interest piqued at the very least; im excited to hear the full tracks in superior audio quality with my gear. But back to the process here. It just feels wrong to hold a listening party, knowing that things (clips, descriptions, etc) will leak out, and then have a protracted wait for this thing.  The album is clearly 100% completely ready to go, so why not just let us have it now? It DOES NOT need to coincide with tour dates. There is no association.  We will all go to the shows we can based on other factors, and album release timing has absolutely nothing to do with it.  I've read that Jeff said they "sat on this album", which also is kind of a head scratcher. Why? If they're as proud of this record as early reports indicate, I would think they'd be dying for us to hear it.
    There are long wait times to get physical product manufactured, namely vinyl, which could be holding things up.
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  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,019
    mpedone said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    I dig all their albums in their place and time.  They have not put out anything that I have actively disliked, aside from one or two songs here and there.  Most of the albums are tied to my emotional state at the time, was I in a good spot, did I have good memories with the songs, etc.  
    When Covid hit, I REALLY needed Gigaton and it was awesome.  Looking back, it's probably the hardest listen for me, as a lot of bad things were going on in the world, people were separated.  I feel bad too, because I think Gigaton really had a good message that got swallowed up by the pandemic.  I leaned on that album a lot during that time.  But it sort of gives me pandemic vibes listening to it now. Not just pandemic...but like US politics too.  That is the only drawback for Gigaton for me.  I didnt get to make that many new memories with it, a lot of it was remote and home alone.  
    Looking forward to a better world experience with this new album, and I like the sounds I am hearing so far. 


    I'm very much the same with regards to enjoying albums. Put any of them on, and I'll be happy. I totally get your feelings on Gigaton, too. I have some of that, but I also have a bit of escapist feelings towards it, as I really got into it that Spring. I was working from home, my partner was in the office (in an ICU, so...not worrisome at all), and I would go out for drives around town on nice days to just get out of the house and get some fresh air. So, a lot of the songs have this mixed message of "everything is horrible, but it was such a nice day..." thing.
    Same here! I recently went on a road trip with my 14 year old daughter and she complained about Daughter sounding bad on the radio, so I put in VS and played album by album through Gigaton (minus Lightning Bolt, just wasn't in the car). I kept giving her an out if she wanted me to switch to something else, but she wanted me to keep playing the albums. Proud moment :) That was when I found a new appreciation for Avocado and BS, they are better than what they get credit for and I have pre-parenthood memories with each album. Revisiting each from time to time allows you to see them from a new perspective as you age IMO.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    dwjmu84 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dwjmu84 said:
    The clips have my interest piqued at the very least; im excited to hear the full tracks in superior audio quality with my gear. But back to the process here. It just feels wrong to hold a listening party, knowing that things (clips, descriptions, etc) will leak out, and then have a protracted wait for this thing.  The album is clearly 100% completely ready to go, so why not just let us have it now? It DOES NOT need to coincide with tour dates. There is no association.  We will all go to the shows we can based on other factors, and album release timing has absolutely nothing to do with it.  I've read that Jeff said they "sat on this album", which also is kind of a head scratcher. Why? If they're as proud of this record as early reports indicate, I would think they'd be dying for us to hear it.
    of course album releases coincide with tours. they literally fund each other.  
    Wait…what? 

    Artists make next to zero on record sales and streams these days. It’s literally a tiny fraction of total revenue. 

    Touring is almost 100% where cash flows originate, and they have cash on hand to get the ball rolling for shows and finance the tour. 

    Also, nobody is talking about a 6 month gap. First shows we know of occur in May right?

    If the album were to be released, let’s say tomorrow, that’s 3 months and change in between. They could spend the time promoting, podcasting, etc. I don’t really think that’s all necessarily (my opinion) bc we die hards will attend the shows regardless. Take the smaller runs they’ve done in the last couple years (I hit dates on both “tours”). There hadn’t been an album since Gig. It does not matter. With fewer dates than the early days, all of their shows will see 100% sellouts no matter what. Did you see how many 10c members whiffed on the presales??? Demand is huge and they have a gtd cash cow with their live efforts. The records are a bonus. 
    I'm not sure that all of their shows are 100 percent sellouts no matter what. (Incidentally, a sellout is a sellout. 100 percent sellout is redundant. It reminds me of when you're boarding a plane and they tell you the flight is "completely full." Well, it's either full or it isn't. "Completely full" is just gilding the lily. And, of course, every time they say that, there always end up being empty seats, so the flight isn't even full, let alone "completely full"-- but I digress.)

    Anyway, Fresno was not a sellout. And I suspect that other shows in less high-profile markets also have not sold out. There's also the complication of the secondary market, where there are tickets that get sold but never resold because they price them too high, which would lead to empty seats but not a hit to the overall gate.

    I would also expect that Pearl Jam makes more money off album sales than most artists because of the premium prices for vinyl, and also because they sell a disproportionate number of CDs and LPs directly to the consumer via the Ten Club, eliminating the middleman of retail and the chunk of revenue that would go to retail.
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  • Kwieneke
    Kwieneke Indiana Posts: 2,109
    mpedone said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    I dig all their albums in their place and time.  They have not put out anything that I have actively disliked, aside from one or two songs here and there.  Most of the albums are tied to my emotional state at the time, was I in a good spot, did I have good memories with the songs, etc.  
    When Covid hit, I REALLY needed Gigaton and it was awesome.  Looking back, it's probably the hardest listen for me, as a lot of bad things were going on in the world, people were separated.  I feel bad too, because I think Gigaton really had a good message that got swallowed up by the pandemic.  I leaned on that album a lot during that time.  But it sort of gives me pandemic vibes listening to it now. Not just pandemic...but like US politics too.  That is the only drawback for Gigaton for me.  I didnt get to make that many new memories with it, a lot of it was remote and home alone.  
    Looking forward to a better world experience with this new album, and I like the sounds I am hearing so far. 


    So, a lot of the songs have this mixed message of "everything is horrible, but it was such a nice day..." thing.
    this is a really good way to put it. such an interesting and weird time, especially looking back. 
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    SB117186 said:
    eboweddie said:
    I listened to Avocado yesterday.  First Time in ages. My god it's a brilliant piece of work.  Forgot how good it is 
    Agreed!

    Still skip Parachutes though, that one has never done anything for me
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  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    100 Pacer said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gigaton depresses me a bit, even though I love the music, for the pandemic reason. my ottawa show got cancelled the week before it was supposed to happen, then when time came for the make up show, we couldn't make it happen. 
    I have yet to purchase the record. Between the rescheduled 2022 and subsequent 2023 shows I managed to hear the entire album live (Comes Then Goes aside) so it never really felt strange.

    Once the lottery is done in a couple of weeks I’ve resolved to deep dive into Gigaton thoroughly.
    You won't be sorry, sir.
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  • bobasfeet
    bobasfeet Posts: 1,195
    BF25394 said:
    dwjmu84 said:
    The clips have my interest piqued at the very least; im excited to hear the full tracks in superior audio quality with my gear. But back to the process here. It just feels wrong to hold a listening party, knowing that things (clips, descriptions, etc) will leak out, and then have a protracted wait for this thing.  The album is clearly 100% completely ready to go, so why not just let us have it now? It DOES NOT need to coincide with tour dates. There is no association.  We will all go to the shows we can based on other factors, and album release timing has absolutely nothing to do with it.  I've read that Jeff said they "sat on this album", which also is kind of a head scratcher. Why? If they're as proud of this record as early reports indicate, I would think they'd be dying for us to hear it.
    There are long wait times to get physical product manufactured, namely vinyl, which could be holding things up.
    If they have been sitting on this so long. This may be one of the reasons. It could be at plants already. 
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I found Eddies voice overly "sharp"/harsh on that album. And almost sounds like he has a cold on some songs. I prefer the sound and "recording" of his voice on Riot Act.

    It though has a "nostalgic" magic to it. World Wide Suicide, Unemployable and Severed Hand just jolts your body with warm feelings.
    This is the one thing about that album that bugs me: Eddie sounds like he's being strangled. He is straining so hard instead of singing in his natural register. And it was not a one-off. When I sing along to any album through Riot Act, I can do it without difficulty. Since Pearl Jam, by track four, my throat feels shredded. (And I really like all of those albums.) I'm trying not to worry too much about the fact that the singing I could hear on that back-alley recording definitely sounds like he's still straining.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I skip Come Back and Inside Job over Parachutes
    Wow, to each their own. "Come Back" is one of their five best songs, in my estimation. (And "Inside Job" is way up there, too.)
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    100 Pacer said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gigaton depresses me a bit, even though I love the music, for the pandemic reason. my ottawa show got cancelled the week before it was supposed to happen, then when time came for the make up show, we couldn't make it happen. 
    I have yet to purchase the record. Between the rescheduled 2022 and subsequent 2023 shows I managed to hear the entire album live (Comes Then Goes aside) so it never really felt strange.

    Once the lottery is done in a couple of weeks I’ve resolved to deep dive into Gigaton thoroughly.
    I am completely fascinated by the fact that you belong to the band's fan club but don't own the album. Why didn't you get it when it came out?
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • dwjmu84
    dwjmu84 Posts: 408
    BF25394 said:
    100 Pacer said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gigaton depresses me a bit, even though I love the music, for the pandemic reason. my ottawa show got cancelled the week before it was supposed to happen, then when time came for the make up show, we couldn't make it happen. 
    I have yet to purchase the record. Between the rescheduled 2022 and subsequent 2023 shows I managed to hear the entire album live (Comes Then Goes aside) so it never really felt strange.

    Once the lottery is done in a couple of weeks I’ve resolved to deep dive into Gigaton thoroughly.
    I am completely fascinated by the fact that you belong to the band's fan club but don't own the album. Why didn't you get it when it came out?
    I don't own it either.  I have no way of playing a CD or record.  how am I going to "purchase" it? I pay for Spotify and access my music this way.  I spend a small fortune on seeing them live.  I suppose I could be moved to buy an actual record if the artwork was something I loved. I do have ten and yield in lp.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    100 Pacer said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gigaton depresses me a bit, even though I love the music, for the pandemic reason. my ottawa show got cancelled the week before it was supposed to happen, then when time came for the make up show, we couldn't make it happen. 
    I have yet to purchase the record. Between the rescheduled 2022 and subsequent 2023 shows I managed to hear the entire album live (Comes Then Goes aside) so it never really felt strange.

    Once the lottery is done in a couple of weeks I’ve resolved to deep dive into Gigaton thoroughly.
    Do you mean not at all or just not in physical form? I don't own the CD or vinyl but have listened the shit out of my digital download. 
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